Talk:Hole punch

E3x8?
On my two-hole punch's paper guide rail, there's an "E3x8" setting. Does anyone know what this stands for? Anything that ought to go into this article? 31.16.117.157 (talk) 02:50, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Stands possibly for "European 3 times 8 (cm distance of 4 holes)" which is refered as "888". Use it as follows: Set hole punch guide to "E3x8" or "888" insert 297 mm high DIN A4 paper sheet(s) press the punch to make the first two holes. Turn the paper upside down, so that the left side stays to be on the left side. Insert the paper again for making the second pair of holes. Works only with 297 mm height! --Helium4 (talk) 12:58, 26 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Oddly, on my hole punch, there is both a "888" setting and a "E3x8" setting. Neither setting creates a distance of exactly 8 cm between the middle holes on the long, 297mm side of an A4 paper, though the 888 setting comes close. The E3x8 setting, when used on the short. 210mm side of the an A4 paper, creates something that comes close to a 4 cm distance between four holes (the punching actions overlap), however here too, things only come close and are a bit off and don't quite fit. I am wondering whether this Rexel punch is simply inferior, shoddily made, with measurements off. Maybe this punch I have is even a non-genuine product. I don't know though. Maybe this is the exception, or maybe most punches of this type are made to incorrect measurements. 31.18.248.254 (talk) 15:27, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Merge with punch hole
I'd say that merging with punchhole would be appropriate, and the merged article would make for a very nicely sized informative article. --Hellahulla 19:19, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Dr Gold - fact or fiction?
I tried to confirm the following, and could find nothing elsewhere on the Internet to support it. So I've removed it: "The widest selection of hole punches for personal organizers is maintained by Dr. Gold of Germany who is credited with creating over 150 configurations." Its origin was the very first posting of the article "Paper punches" --Fibula 22:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

What's the loop for? - frees the paper!
Does anyone know what the wire loop on the handle of a single hole punch is for?

''I speculate that the loop lets you hang the punch on a nail or hook in the wall. What else could that loop be for?''


 * Possibly to put your pinky finger, like the thingy sticking out on many scizors


 * That does not make sense- it has a powerful spring, you do not need to put your finger there, it would be uncomfortable. I agree that it is to hang it from a bulitan board, or the like.


 * You - nameless first - speak about the loop shaped end of the steel sheet spring in the picture of the hand-tool looking like pliers (gripper). It will retract the punched paper parallel back from the punching piston, when the tool moves open after punching. --Helium4 (talk) 13:07, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

"We" in History
Who put the "we" in history? Who does this "we" refer to? "The origins of the humble paper punch has yet to be determined, however we have found two early patents for the paper punch a device that is designed to "punch holes in paper.""

--200.44.6.192 00:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

23 hole punch?
--209.218.206.2 (talk) 20:47, 19 March 2008 (UTC) "In The Netherlands there are 23 holes punches for A4 papers."

That seems ridiculous to me. Does anyone have a picture of one of these for verifaction? Is it possible that what's meant is 2/3 hole punches (i.e., a hole punch that can either mimic the ISO standard as well as the North American standard)?

--211.30.129.5 (talk) 03:00, 17 May 2008 (UTC) They do exist: http://discountoffice.nl/pimages/5510080.jpg


 * The 23 hole punches are used to prepare documents for addition of a plastic comb binder. --Una Smith (talk) 19:53, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The kind of machine shown in that image is also used in the US. I guess it technically is a hole bunch.  But they're usually used as part of a binding system (for a plastic comb, as Una Smith notes), not the ring binders one usually associated with multi-hole punches.  That distinction should prolly be made clear.  — DragonHawk (talk|hist) 02:40, 6 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Behold: http://www.hema.nl/winkel/school-en-kantoor/papier-en-schriften/papier-en-enveloppen/ringbandpapier-23-rings-%2814132003%29

2001:980:57A9:1:3C32:7AE:72FF:F82E (talk) 18:19, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Half-size 3-hole
A half-size 3-hole binder is widely used for industrial manuals, designed so that contents can be printed 2-up on 11"x8-1/2" stock resulting in an 8-1/2"x5-1/2" page size. Does anyone have the hole spacing for this? Santamoly (talk) 01:46, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

ISO 838 Introduction?
When was the ISO 838 standard first introduced? Does anybody know? This would be an interesting fact for the article.

— RW Marloe (talk) 10:15, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
 * May 1974. This is easy enough to find out - a Google for "ISO 838" brings up the ISO page for the standard as the very first link. Listed as having no revisions so that's the first date rather than of the current version. 3142 (talk) 03:03, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

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Source
"In 1885, Benjamin Smith of Massachusetts invented an improved hole punch with spring-loaded receptacle to collect the clippings U.S. patent number 313027). Benjamin Smith called it the conductor's punch." http://theinventors.org/library/inventors/bl_paper_punch.htm This might have only been designed to punch one hole in a ticket, so one could argue whether it was a 'hole punch' for paper applications. 220  of  Borg 01:11, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

ISO 838 from A7, not A4 format
In the text it currently says that ISO 838 can be used for paper sizes longer than 100mm (A4). It should be A7, as A4 is almost 300mm on the long side (approx: A5 200mm, A6 150mm, A7 100mm). ==208.114.63.4 (talk) 09:43, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks for bringing this up, it appears to be part of the recent vandalism likely inspired by today's Google Doodle. –72 (talk) 21:33, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2017
Friedrich Soennecken, from Sauerland, invented the first mechanical and portable punch for paper in Bonn. On 14 November 1886 the German Imperial Patent Office granted him the patent DRP 40065 for a paper perforator for folders, letter files similar items. The first separate hand-held perforator ("Phoenix") was sold in 1901 by the Stuttgart-based company Leitz, which had previously invented the Leitz folder named after it, but whose original form also came from Soennecken. From 1904 onwards, Leitz sold the document puncher to authorities, and in 1925 this paper puncher was provided with a central marking. 95.88.175.85 (talk) 21:40, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
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3-hole system edge distance
I checked two (yes big sample size) office 3-hole punches made decades apart. They both punch 1/4" holes that are 3/8" hole center-line to edge of the paper. I would thus question the "defacto standard" of 1/2" given in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.241.152.175 (talk) 22:45, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

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Hole Punch resolution
Does it bug anyone else that the top picture is blurry? Could we get a new picture? Le Panini (talk) 23:17, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

"In Japan..."
"In Japan, loose leaf in A4 and JIS B5 sizes (for binders) usually has 30 and 26 holes respectively..." it says. But I spot the comment above about 23-hole punches in the Netherlands, and I suspect this is a similar confusion. The referenced specification is a design for business forms, nothing to do with ordinary A4 or JB5 paper. Anecdotally, or original researchily, or something, hole punches in Japan are the same standard 2-hole for A4 as everywhere else outside America. Imaginatorium (talk) 17:15, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

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