Talk:Holiness movement

Christian perfection and "entire sanctification"
This article equates the Wesleyan/Methodist doctrine of Christian Perfection with Lankford's experience of "entire sanctification"... Is this entirely accurate? Though I'm not, at this point, competent to discuss the differences, I've always understood there to be distinctions between the concepts... Any comments? --Chiacomo (talk) 02:15, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * There are variations between the Methodist understanding of perfection and the Holiness understanding of entire sanctification, although Wesley seems to have used those terms interchangabley. I felt that they were similar enough to place on one page, where a good discussion could exist, rather than have two smaller pages.  Christian perfection got the nod only because it seems more prominent in the literature, particularly in Wesley. The concepts are pretty darn close, though not 100% identical. KHM03 13:08, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Good enough for me, preacher. What conference are you in? --Chiacomo (talk) 14:51, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Western PA Conference of the UMC. KHM03 15:23, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Holiness and Power book
A most outstanding book on the subject is A.M. Hills' Holiness and Power from the 1800s i believe. He explains his view clearly, covers scripture thoroughly and gives the testimony of many famous christians of their day. it is simply wonderfull. I personally have over 300 Christian books, I greatly regret I have not come accross this sooner. to quote from the introduction

"Readers will notice that the author has profusely quoted the written testimony and opinion of many others who have received the Spirit in sanctifying power. That fact gives to this book a great advantage. Had the author made a cheap attempt at originality, this volume would have been no more than one obscure man’s private opinion or theory. But citing, as he has, the testimony of a hundred souls, who have been “filled” with the sanctifying Spirit, the combined verdict of these “living epistles” of God, written in human hearts, makes this volume, like the “Acts of the Apostles,” a record of the work of the Holy Ghost in human hearts. "

you can get it here as a free adobe accrobat file (pdf) http://wesley.nnu.edu/wesleyctr/books/indices/index-h-authors.htm  [Unsigned comment by User:211.30.71.162]

Significant Deficiencies
For instance saying the SBC is a holiness movement (see near the end where it says and I quote "Southern Baptist Convention, some of them" - which I will point out lacks punctuation, and is improperly formatted for the section)? Have they ever read the Baptist Faith and Message? Further they document an individual from the holiness movement founding the C&MA, but don't include C&MA at the end. There are many other issues... But I digress. This article needs some serious work. Th.M Student, Graduate of a C&MA school, currently Southern Baptist [Unsigned comment by Special:Contributions/76.182.80.157, Revision as of 21:57, 15 November 2014]

New Religious Movement Project
Please note that the project rating was not removed by a "vandal." It was removed by an editor, namely User:Steve Dufour in this 2012 edit. His edit summary stated, "not NRM related, but mainstream Christianity." Steve Dufour is correct. The Holiness Movement, while originating out of Methodism in the 19th century, is not considered "a New Religious Movement" by most people. It is considered denomination of mainstream Christianity. If editors insist on arguing that the Holiness Movement belongs in the NRM Project, then that is something that needs to be discussed. Ltwin (talk)