Talk:Hollander beater

Jordan mills (?) and Stamp Mills
What is a "Jordan?" For what functions did it replace the Hollander Beater? And how do we reconcile wikipedia's own page on stamp mills, which describes a "pounding" process, with the assertions of this "Clapp," who says that the stamp mills used wooden paddles? I wrote the original stub, but I confess, I'm not an expert on this subject, and now I'm confused. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Carolfrog 08:21, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I wrote a paper on acidity in paper and its implications on conservation for a Masters' class in library science. That's where I read Clapp, and got the other stuff. So, I don't know what a Jordan is, yet. :-) I put that in because the original stub had negatives attributed to stamp mills and were not actually true about stamp mills.  Instead, they were negatives of Jordan mills.  So, I was trying to differentiate between the two.  I'm recovering from a surgery.  I do plan, in the future, to figure out what a Jordan is and help this stub.  RE:  Wooden paddles -- I think the "woodenpaddles" "pound", or slap up and down, on the pulp.  So  I don't think the two are contradictory.  I have a friend who worked in the paper industry.  Maybe I can get some pictures from him and clear this up.  I'll also see if I can order a book regarding this history, read it, and clear up some more. (BTW -- If you haven't read the Clapp article/book, its REALLY good. If you can't get a hold of it, email me.) --ktoonen 22:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The only copy of the Clapp book that I can find is currently twenty bucks(!) on Amazon. I'll have to decide if that's worth it to me.  :)  Also, I'd like to do some further research beyond even that book.  I'd like to expand this article further.  Thanks for your input.  Let's keep talking.  Carolfrog 00:39, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I've started the article conical refiner which is also referred to as the Jordan refiner, named after it's inventor. I've only just started the article but I have added a couple of references in that article which discuss the origin of the Jordan.  David Condrey   log talk  08:07, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

How to link?
Hello! How do I link this page to its French translation : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylindre_hollandais ? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.207.115.239 (talk) 07:54, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * This would be done on Wikidata. Here is the link . These pages are already linked since the wikidata page was originally created in 2012.  David Condrey   log talk  08:11, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Article needs to be rewritten
The majority of the content of this article is copied verbatum from sources. Such text should be rephrased or cited. David Condrey  log talk  09:07, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

External links modified
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Stamper
article needed. Stamp mills refers to the machine used for refining ore in mining, not the stamper, a wood contraption attached to a water wheel as portrayed by Jost Amman in 1563 and still in use by Moulin du Verger today.

memo, sources to use:
 * http://www.friendsofdardhunter.org/bullandbranch/BB2011Feb.pdf <-great how-to
 * http://www.moulinduverger.com/papier-main/article-42.php <- current-day stamper
 * http://paper.lib.uiowa.edu/european.php <- T.Barrett article, scholarly

and of course Lalande, when I find a proper reference/link, and certainly the Jost Amman woodcarving, in Wikimedia
 * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Paper_production.jpg

Yama Plos  talk  15:14, 23 February 2017 (UTC)