Talk:Holocene (Portland, Oregon)/Archive 1

Coordinates/map
Could I possibly trouble you for coordinates/map, if you have a moment? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:18, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 05:11, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Analysis of sources other than WW and Portland Merury regarding their extent of coverage
Two books by Rachel Dresbeck published through Rowman & Littlefield: These are travel guides with hundreds of listings of places, essentially an annotated yellow page with hundreds and hundreds of places with each place getting a few sentences.

Paste Magazine: A photographer went to join the band that happened to be occurring at Holocene... Photographer Autumn Andel joined the band for their performance at Portland’s Holocene venue last week...

Pitchfork.com: calendar of Clairo Announces Tour: she goes to many places. In a huge list, Holocene happened to be one of them... ''08-03 Chicago, IL - Lollapalooza, 08-04 Minneapolis, MN - 7th St Entry, 08-09 Portland, OR - Holocene, 08-11 Santa Ana, CA - Constellation Room, 08-14 Los Angeles, CA - The Roxy.... ''

https://www.oregonlive.com/entertainment/2018/05/the_moth_cookie_zvovushe.html This story is about Cookie Zvovushe. Holocene is a trivial mention. At Holocene in Southeast Portland, low lights and tight seating transform the venue's club vibes into coziness once a month. Graywalls (talk) 10:21, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Sources for evidence of notability
, to streamline the AfD process, would you mind pasting out the non-calendar event sources that you intend on supporting the general notability in addition to notability for company with? Thank you, Graywalls (talk) 17:10, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , No. You've wasted far too much of my time. I'll let other editors weigh in on the ongoing deletion discussion. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:14, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Note: Archiving per interaction ban. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:44, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

massive addition of routine calendar events
, what happened to the general idea of discussing it before making massive changes, going forward, as you suggested to avoid future editing disagreements? It's quite unfair that you feel you shouldn't hold yourself to things you're wanting to get others to commit to. Talk:No_Vacancy_Lounge Graywalls (talk) 16:01, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't need to ask your permission to expand an article. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:09, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * nor do I need your permission to cull out clutter. You don't own the article. Neither the rules nor consensus holds clutter addition to different standards than their removal. What I really find troubling is that your expectations of needing to discuss on talk page don't go both ways. This comment serves as an objection to the fluff up list of events. Graywalls (talk) 16:59, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to go back and forth with you on yet another article. You've wasted far too much of my time already. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:05, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * All the indiscriminate list of wiki blue linked calendar events does is hinder the efficiency of AfD participants to check notability by increasing the work load to comb through information pollution. It would have been more consistent with the idea of helping create encyclopedia to hold off on addition that have no relevance to notability to avoid unnecessarily making it more work to verify notability. Graywalls (talk) 15:49, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

I believe that a long list of events does not improve the article. Sure they're veriable, but clutters it up with information pollution. I'm arguing against inclusion, per WP:VNOTSUFF unless presented otherwise. Graywalls (talk) 16:03, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , Given the ongoing AfD and discussion at the No Vacancy Lounge talk page, let's wait to see how those end before you remove huge chunks of content here. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:05, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I oppose massive addition on low value information that clogs up the process. I don't believe that a long list of events adds to notability; and it adds unnecessary burden to AfD process. Present your argument why the addition helps it become encyclopedic, with relevant policies, thank you. Graywalls (talk) 16:07, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * You've removed the chunk of content for a third time. Setting that aside, you then added back one of the citations for another claim, which demonstrates not all the sources you've claimed are inappropriate are actually problematic. I'll wait until AfD concludes before spending more time here. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:28, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I've waited around for you to obtain consensus per WP:VNOTSUFF and you didn't follow up on it. It says "The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." There's no disruption in having something temporarily go away partially added back. The purpose is to remove calendar event based fluff. Graywalls (talk) 17:20, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Note: Archiving per interaction ban. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:43, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Source
--- Another Believer ( Talk ) 05:39, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * https://www.portlandmercury.com/feature/2016/06/22/18265128/the-portland-djdance-night-mega-list

I should note, I've not checked the Oregonian archives to date. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:34, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

--- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:20, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
 * https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/united-states/portland-oregon-local-guide/