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Village vs Town
Hi, sources variously describe Holt as either a town or village. More sources I can find describe the settlement to be a village, including the local community council and Ordnance Survey. However, the Clwyd-Powys Archeological Trust does describe it as a town. There is said to be a town charter awarded to Holt in the mid-1200s and repeated in the 1400s and mid 1500s (see Town Charter source below). Alfred Neobard Palmer, a known Wrexham historian published books titled "The Town of Holt". I am unsure whether it should remain at "medieval market town" or be changed to "village". I am leaning towards village due to sources, however it has been at "town" since the page's creation in 2005 (not a solid reason but confusing as to why it has not been disputed for so long). Is there a source for the Holt's Town Charter and is it still in use?

List of sources I have found so far: Sources for village:
 * Holt Community Council (the local community council), their website is literally holtvillage.co.uk, they state it was founded as a English town, but now describe it to be a village. The website encourages readers to visit this Wikipedia article for more information, but not sure if it used it as a source. (Although this website seems to have more information than this article so unlikely WP:CIRCULAR).
 * Wrexham County Borough Museum ("path from the village"), "village of Holt"
 * Chester Tourist (debatable source)
 * GENUKI
 * Local Holt ward councillor (in Q&A for 2022 election, describes it as a village.)
 * Ordnance Survey
 * Cadw (based on descriptions of listed buildings in Holt), e.g. (additionally under these listing "Holt" is under locality rather than town)
 * It has a village cross. (disputed; some towns could have it)
 * Local large farm shop
 * The Leader (Welsh newspaper)
 * Local MP
 * Holt Local History Society - states it as a border village and "former town".
 * ThisisWrexham (Local tourism board)
 * Wicipedia (while not reliable, is interesting)

Sources for town:
 * The Town of Holt, A.N.Palmer, Archaeologia Cambrensis, 1906-10
 * Mapping the Medieval Townscape: A Digital Atlas of the New Towns of Edward I (as a "New Town")
 * Apparent town charter
 * Clwyd-Powys Archaeological Trust
 * Coflein states it as town

Other note: one of the pre-existing sources in the article has this quote: "Holt was a small old town shrunk to the dimensions of a village, and its most prominent feature was a gasometer." – Herbert George Wells. Can this be backed up further and does it support changing to "village"? (and possibly "former town"?)

Any more sources or local knowledge what happened to the town charter would help. Many Thanks –  Dank Jae  00:42, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Guessing village should apply now as an IP editor did it anyway.  Dank Jae  14:13, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree, it is highly likely to be a village rather than a town. It may well have been a town historically, but now it appears to be a village. Seth Whales  talk  13:59, 21 April 2023 (UTC)