Talk:Holy Piby

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I am the proprietor of sacred-texts.com. The Holy Piby is located at my site and I believe it to be in the public domain in the United States because it was not registered or renewed in a timely fashion at the US Copyright office as required by law.

I have no objection to Wikipedia linking to it or quoting it.

Following is my proposed text for the Holy Piby Article:

The Holy Piby is a proto-Rastafarian sacred text which was written by Robert Athlyi Rogers, who founded an Afrocentric religion in the US and West Indies in the 1920s. Rogers' religious movement, the Afro Athlican Constructive Church, saw Ethiopians (in the Biblical sense of Black Africans) as the chosen people of God, and proclaimed Marcus Garvey, the prominent Black Nationalist, an apostle. The church preached self-reliance and self-determination for Africans.

The original is very rare. There are no copies listed in either the Library of Congress or the University of California catalogs, which is highly unusual. The Holy Piby was banned in Jamaica and other Caribbean Islands in the middle and late 1920s. Today the Holy Piby is acclaimed by many Rastafarians as a primary source. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.249.108.58 (talk • contribs)

"In the late 2010s Holy Piby had a prominent ressurgence in southern-West European countries, namely in Portugal where several cover bands managed to fill some important venues such as Casa da Musica in Oporto." This line seems to be describing an artist/band called "Holy Piby" rather than the Rastafarian text.

Pronunciation
What is the pronunciation of "Piby"? Badagnani 04:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

What is the pronunciation of "Piby"? Badagnani (talk) 22:41, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to know too. &mdash;JerryFriedman (Talk) 21:27, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Almost certainly . If no pronunciation was given, I can only assume it was meant to sound like the  more  familiar Holy Bible.,  — Soap — 02:04, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Anguilla and the Holy Piby
It is worth mentioning that Rogers was born in Anguilla - Many Anguillian Rastafari take pride in this fact. Seir Corall 03:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Birth date of author
How could it have been "banned in...Carribean islands...in the middle and late 1920's" if the man who wrote it was "b. 1931"? 209.247.5.233 09:19, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Apparently, he died in 1931. Badagnani (talk) 22:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Holy Piby and Rastafarians
According to my sources (mainly about Rastafarians in Jamaica) the Holy Piby is never mentioned in connection with the Rastafarian movement. This may be different for Anguilla—I do not have any sources specific to this country. I think the influence of the Holy Piby to the Rastafarians should be formulated more specific and backed up with sources. Ras Makonnen (talk) 09:36, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Restoring a source
In response to a proposed deletion tag noting an absence of independent reliable sources in this article, I added a reference and footnote citing this book:

My addition was then removed by, whose edit summary objected that my attempt at quickly summarizing the source's description of this relationship between the Holy Piby and Rastafarianism resulted in an inaccurate statement. 71.246's objection may be right; unfortunately it was expressed via the removal of a relevant and necessary source, rather than a proposal of alternative wording. Since then, other editors have repeatedly added and removed this edit. I am here expressing the hope that we can instead mutually agree on language.

The source describes the Holy Piby and two other books and states, in part, that these "three important Ethiopianist-oriented texts, influenced the early Rastafari." My proposed text said that these 3 books are "today recognized as a root document of Rastafari thought", which I still think is a reasonable restatement of the source--and I note that similar statements can be found in other sources--but I am not certainly wedded to this language. I do think it's important to include the source, however, and, indeed, the article needs more such reliable sources explaining the relevance of this book and its connection to the others. I propose the following:


 * Together with the Royal Parchment Scroll of Black Supremacy by Fitz Balintine Pettersburg and Leonard P. Howell's The Promise Key, the Holy Piby influenced the development of early Rastafarianism.

If anyone thinks this is still not right, please suggest something better. --Arxiloxos (talk) 00:32, 12 July 2016 (UTC)


 * The IP was a now blocked sock of Til Eulenspiegel. Doug Weller  talk 13:55, 12 July 2016 (UTC)