Talk:Holy See–Israel relations

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Relevant sources for this article: —Ynhockey (Talk) 10:34, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=301475

Concerns about the article
this article seems to have been hijacked. 2/3 of it is about the Israel-Palestinian struggle, which - although admitedly has bearing on holy-see-israel relations - is certainly not at the center of what could have been one of the most fascinating case studies in the history of foreign relations. relations between israel and the holy see portray an interplay between diplomacy and history that exist in possibly no other case of diplomatic relations. the existence of both on a purely nationalistic level is an anomaly. the holy see is a state with very few trappings of a "normal" state. israel is a state that was established in the name of historical justice - no purely politically feasible reason cold have justified a "national home" for an entity that itself argues whether its jewish basis is national or religious. religiously speaking - both states are anathema to one another. diplomatically speaking - each state has recognized the other not by default, allowing the unworldly to impinge upon the worldly.

furthermore, the segments that do refer to the diplomatic relations seem to be one-sided (in the intro, relations were created by the vatican; the vatican opened its embassy - no mention of israel's attempts to initiate diplomatic relations; the fact that israel opened an embassy at the same time; the popes are prominent - jewish/israeli leadership nearly invisible). once again, this one-sidedness results in a very superficial account of a very complex matter.

there is nearly no meantion of the obstacles to proper relations (christians in arab countries, the struggles between the churches and their national paternals, a canon that has not been updated, jewish suspicion of the catholic church in general, the inequivalence of diplomatic demands and wishes...). Oferdesade (talk) 11:24, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Information on Mordechay Lewy would be welcomed, Israel's ambassador to the Vatican. ADM (talk) 10:00, 30 January 2009 (UTC) Mordechay Lewy born on May 15, 1948 (Declaration of Israel's Independence), has been a diplomat since 1975. His long personal interest in Christian matters begins with his Master degree in history, primarily the “Rise of monastic orders in the emerging medieval cities in Europe”, during which time he perfected his Latin. His nomination as ambassador to the Holy See in May 2008 follows postings to Germany, Sweden, the UN and Thailand, as well as a 4-year assignment to the Jerusalem Municipality as the Mayor’s Special Advisor for Religious Communities. Lewy is a widely published scholar on Jewish/Israel-Catholic/Church relations and also an enthusiast on the topic of tattoos of Christian pilgrims throughout the ages. Oferdesade (talk) 11:24, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

"Because"?
The section Holy See-Israel relations contains the following statement: "Because the majority of Christians in Arab countries were Arabs, he voiced mild criticism of the Israeli policy towards the Palestinians". This statement seems to imply that Paul VI was concerned about the Palestinians only because a lot of Arabs were Catholics. By doing so, the statement simultaneously casts doubt on Paul VI's integrity and denigrates the legitimacy of Palestinian grievances. I'm sure that the statement's author didn't intend to do either of those things, but I think that the clause "Because the majority of Christians in Arab countries were Arabs" should be removed. --Phatius McBluff (talk) 05:29, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

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