Talk:Holy See–United States relations

lack of neutrality
"The commitment to human dignity at the core of both the U.S. and Holy See approach to the world gives rise to a common agenda for action to promote religious freedom, justice, religious and ethnic tolerance, liberty, respect for women and children and for the rule of law."

This description seems a little biased in favor of the US, Holy See, and their partnership. -- 18:11, 10 May 2009‎ User:Web wonder

Missing context for breaking off of relations
I think that the breaking off of relations was partly due to the turbulence of the wars of Italian reunification, not just generalized anti-Catholic sentiment in the U.S. 1867 was exactly when Napoleon III's threats were blocking the final reunification of peninsular Italy. Anti-Catholicism was actually most significant as a political issue in the United States in the 1850s (due to a recent large increase in Catholic immigrants, and some people trying to play up the anti-Catholic issue in national politics as a conscious effort to distract from the divisive slavery issue). I don't think that anti-Catholicism was much of a national political issue in the U.S. in 1867 (though of course many individuals had anti-Catholic sentiments)... -- AnonMoos (talk) 12:38, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

I agree and had been planning to comment similarly. Certainly, the Kingdom of Italy had been declared in 1861 and the Papal States had lost the bulk of their territory. Papal rule was maintained in Rome by an occupying French army. By 1870, the historic Papal States had ceased to exist, and the Holy See had been reduced to a few buildings in Rome. Qlangley (talk) 15:45, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Roman Catholic involvement?
I removed the reference to Vatican's involvement in Lincoln assassination being "alleged". It's well documented elsewhere in Wikipedia, see articles on the Surratts — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.149.198.207 (talk) 17:27, 11 January 2014 (UTC)


 * In fact, Mary Surratt was perhaps hung because she was a Catholic, unpopular at the time. There is really no proof of her involvement in the plot. Nor does her article document that. Like Mudd, also unfairly prosecuted, her family seeks a retroactive pardon. Even if she shot Lincoln herself, their is no indication that the Holy See had anything to do with it. Student7 (talk) 00:06, 16 January 2014 (UTC)