Talk:Holy Terror (graphic novel)/Archive 1

Orthography
The parenthesis are part of the books title. Its a reference to Robin's "Holy ___, Batman!" line from the old 1960s show.--KrossTalk 23:24, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

um...is it possible he was joking? Badgerpatrol 03:14, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Publication date
Where is the information on the publication date sourced from? As far as know, DC have yet to acknowledge this project. Hiding talk 12:17, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Merge
Please note, per the GFDL and Wikipedia policy on merging, that information from Holy Terror, Batman was merged here. Hiding talk 13:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Is there a connection...
between this Batman: Holy Terror (ISBN 1563890186)? I just found the latter on Amazon while looking for information on this Holy Terror. I know the plots don't look especially similar, but the titles are awfully close...? --zenohockey 21:41, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * No, that's a very old work, possibly even 15 years old now, a prestige format comic that detailed an alternative version Batman's adventures in a Catholic dominated world, if my memory serves. Hiding Talk 19:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Does this actually exist?
I suspect this may have been a joke. Any information on this after the initial announcement? Morwen - Talk 08:57, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks like Miller talked about it more at Comic-Con International in San Diego.  --zenohockey 16:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Criticism
Unsurprisingly, there's been some criticism aimed at this - some from fans, but also this rather scathing comment from current Batman writer Grant Morrison. D'you think that's going to be worth a mention? --Mrph 09:33, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I think it's too early to add a 'Criticism' section, since the article is about a yet-to-be released novel about which very little is known other than "Batman battles terrorists." Since 'Controversy' & 'Criticism' sections are prime targets for sneaking in POV and bias, I think we should hold off on it until the book is actually released and we can provide balance and sources. Roland Deschain 15:01, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Mrph, you've got a dead link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.229.233.34 (talk) 20:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Is the inspiration needed?
Well it's interesting I'll give you that, but hearing what Stan Lee thinks is absolutely useless. First off Stan Lee is a Marvel artist not one to associate with DC comics, he has nothing to do with Frank Miller, Batman, this comic or anything else.Kinglink 19:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Ummm... Stan Lee did Hush, as well All-Star Batman...probably more too...
 * Ummm, that was Jim Lee ChrisTheDude 15:13, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

New Name?
The Progress section says the book is now being cited as Batman vs. Al Qaeda. Is this a new title, to avoid confusion with the Holy Terror Elseworlds book? Or is it still confimed as Holy Terror Batman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.8.13.184 (talk) 04:46, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Desert Storm
Didn't Batman and Robin (Jason Todd version) go to the Iraq area around the time of Desert Storm. Infact isn't that where Todd died. Is that noteworthy to put next to the Captain America example? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.207.191 (talk) 04:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No, Batman: A Death in the Family was set in Lebanon and it was two years before Desert Storm. 86.158.11.46 (talk) 19:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Notability Question
Curious, If this is no longer in production does this article still qualify as being "notable" under the guidelines? RaiderRich2001 (talk) 00:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it did receive quite a lot of media attention, was apparently intended as a thematic follow-up to the 300 movie, and Miller stated that he has finished most of it, not to mention the valid sourcing, so it's worth keeping around for people who are curious about what happened to it at least.
 * Personally I think the political climate or up-to-date relevance of the issues changed, Miller got too caught up in the more important "Xerses" sequel instead (which could be interesting as a contrasting "relative history interpretation" of the Persian high culture viewpoint)... or some executive convinced him to stop going against the stream (of lying self-deluding moral dissonance creators) by gosh-forbid actually standing for when he's playing demagogue and accepting the consequences that propaganda has a scientifically proven effect on anyone, rather than being conceited amoral diva flippant about it, with Miller's path being the considerably less evil and more honourable of the two options. Or several of the above simply rendering it redundant, so he might recycle the ideas elsewhere. Of course, that's just me speculating. Dave (talk) 13:34, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "lying self-deluding moral dissonance creators...Of course, that's just me speculating."...thanks for the speculation, Rorscach. 188.223.37.141 (talk) 11:27, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You're mixing contexts, and I have hundreds of experiences with standard media disclaimers, (No matter history, research, standard advertisements using brain scanners to see what's effective; or if the creator sounds like an over-the-top extremist demagogue, while saying that it has no effect. Or the overblown "worst thing ever" frenzies whenever some individual "One Of Us" media person has been threatened, but ignoring if said media person would attempt to incite an uproar of hate-crimes, warfare, or discrimiantion towards millions... and no, I definitely don't support threats, but I don't like this type of particularly dangerous deceitful double-standard either) forming that viewpoint.
 * I still like you though. You're funny, and remind me of Fred Van Lente. However, I'm very much not a libertarian (It's an ideology that recurrently, but not uniformly, has the exact same attitude towards people with handicaps that the Nazis did after all. 300 is just one of many examples of that) and am much harder to peg down. I tend to analyse things case by case, rather than through ideology, generally through an unusual viewpoint, and shift views all the time depending on sum input. Dave (talk) 16:18, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Rename to just Holy Terror
I've seen several references to the project being called "Holy Terror" and Miller himself called it that recently, like, 2 days ago. (https://twitter.com/FrankMillerInk/status/15220154410) My money is that it's along a ways and we will see it, just verrrrryyyy sloooowwwwlllyyyy and sans Batman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.91.62.185 (talk) 08:04, 4 June 2010 (UTC)


 * It looks like the title is going to be "Frank Miller's Holy Terror" but I'd wait and see before moving it. If it is "Holy Terror" the name should be "Holy Terror (Legendary Comics)" (following WP:NCC), as we'd not go for a descriptive disambiguation until we'd exhausted the publisher option (you'd go class "(comics)", publisher "(Legendary Comics)" and then descriptive "(graphic novel)"). (Emperor (talk) 16:19, 5 September 2011 (UTC))