Talk:Holy minimalism

Maybe delete this?
"Despite being grouped together, the composers tend to dislike the term, and are by no means a "school" of close-knit associates" Seems to me like this is the case for a great many of the things people call artistic movements. Also, as a matter of style, this feels more like a disclaimer from somebody on the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.162.144.74 (talk) 04:03, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

First?
At the article is said that Alan Hovhaness was the first "spiritual minimalist", but comes to my mind Gurdjieff/De Hartmann dances, wich are contemporary or even earlier than Hovhaness works, and it's not even mentioned in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.123.7.174 (talk) 23:58, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Music of the Twentieth-Century Avant-Garde: A Biocritical Sourcebook
I searched this reference[] and it doesn't mention Holy minimalism, mystic minimalism, spiritual minimalism, or sacred minimalism. It obviously has a lot about minimalism but if we're using it as a reference it should mention the topic. I deleted the ref for now. Bhny (talk) 11:57, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

WP:REFERS
WP:REFERS discourages the use of "refers" et al. in cases where "the article is not about the words, it is about the theory". This is actually a case where the words, and not the thing, are (at least in part) the subject of the article; the term is sometimes couched as a pejorative and is disputed by the people who make the works, who do not describe themselves that way. (The article discusses this in the fourth paragraph.) For something with a disputed ontology, or something which is a shibboleth or subject to rhetorical warring, using "refers" or "is a term" makes sense, to highlight that the words themselves are the subject of discussion.

My first thought for an analogy here was The Scene That Celebrates Itself, and curiously, someone else made a similar edit to that page removing the "refers" wording. But notice the yawning gap in meaning between those two sentences - the latter ("The Scene That Celebrates Itself was the social and musical scene in the early 1990s within London and the Thames Valley area.") presents the material as if it were a neutral, settled matter of fact or designation, but it is anything but; musicians of the scene did not call themselves "the scene that celebrates ourselves", nor did many of its devotees. So with holy minimalism. Chubbles (talk) 05:27, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

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