Talk:Holznot

Holznot?
What evidence is there that this is the commonly used term in English? I tried Google Scholar and even though I set my results to English only, the first 150 results were either German-language articles, or citations of German articles. Pending evidence of usage, I'm going to move it back. Guettarda (talk) 18:08, 15 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Holznot is a real world scientific controversy. Peak wood is activist OR without any proven notability. Insofar you falsified the sources. You have to proof a need for peak wood, not the other way round. We care about the quality of sources and terms, not about the language they are written in. You should be more cautios with deleting quality sources, compare Speak white. Serten (talk) 13:21, 17 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Please use WP:AFD (if you want to delete this article) or WP:RM/CM if you want to move it. Whatever you do, don't move an article to a foreign term that isn't, apparently, used in English. Per policy, if you move a page from it's long-standing title and your move is reverted, do not move it again. Now please undo your move and start a discussion. Thank you. Guettarda (talk) 17:42, 17 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Neither applies. "Peak Wood" is a fringe topic and a side aspect of Holznot. "Holznot" is a real and broadly discussed scientific term, and Wood shortage is just a translation of the term as discussed in Wood: A History from Joachim Radkau,(Cambridge, UK: Polity Press, 2012). You better start reading the science. Both apply to to a similar aspect, the true or alleged fear of a wood shortage. Its up to you to proof that peak wood is a noteable term. I doubt you are able to find any comparable scientific base. Serten (talk) 18:50, 17 September 2014 (UTC)


 * PS.: Holznot is closely connected to "Nachhaltigkeit", the original term of "sustainability", it is completely ridiculous to explain sustainability without its origin in the forests of the Ore Mountains. Serten (talk) 19:52, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

"Wood shortage" would simply be "Holzmangel" in German, something slightly inconvenient like the 2020–2021 global chip shortage. Yet, I was able to buy a laptop and a mobile phone during that time, and I probably could get anything I want, just a little later or more expensive. German "Not" or "Notlage", also translated to poverty, hardship, penury, distress, privation, adversity, destitution, misery, emergency etc. describes a serious and longterm situation, like in "Hungersnot" (famine) or "Atemnot" (respiratory distress), just like I can't breathe affecting not only one person. It also comprises a certain hopelessness or at least lack of options, like in "Notwehr", which is translated to simply self-defense, mostly without the meaning of being forced to fight, and probably against a much stronger enemy.--2003:C6:372F:9916:C123:9C55:9074:4389 (talk) 22:02, 18 August 2021 (UTC)