Talk:Home Taping Is Killing Music/Archives/2012

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Forteller added two links to a page which only connection to the issue discussed is the fact they sell T-shirts with the mentioned logos. Is that kosher here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.255.112.30 (talk • contribs) 05:39, 13 May 2006


 * No. removed. And the DRM image is not relevant to this page either. Graham 06:26, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The DRM logo is relevent, it provides a example of a parodied logo, seeing as the Pirate Bay just incorporates the original. I have added it back into the article. Fosnez 13:05, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The problem is that the article provides no context for it. Who made the logo; what organisation does it represent? For all I know you might have made it up yourself, so unless it has some genuine currency, it may not be notable. Not only that, but this article isn't about DRM, it's about a specific campaign by the BPI in the 80s, long before DRM was even a remote possibility. Despite the graphical similarity, it's unclear from the article what it has to do with anything - and to extend the article to make this point would take it away from its original purpose. That's why it's not relevant. That's not to say the image shouldn't go anywhere - just not here. Graham 14:34, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * An acceptable argument - I have removed the image Fosnez 01:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The logo is legitimate, and is an offspring of the RIAA. I remember seeing the logo and an RIAA rant on the sleeves of some records in the 70's. Teamgoon 23:34, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Was it actually illegal to make a tape of a record strictly for your own personal use? AnonMoos 19:03, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Like any law it sdepends on what country you live in 86.112.254.93 (talk) 20:44, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I meant in the UK, where this campaign was apparently first launched... AnonMoos (talk) 15:43, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

NPOV
I realise that most sentient people think the logo was a bad idea, but that doesn't mean Wikipedia gets to stick the boot in. The article needs to be cleaned up quite a lot to at least pretend to give it a fair hearing. Currently all we have is mockery at length. --88.111.41.106 16:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I object to the NPOV tag on two points. First of all, as far as I can see, there is no actual discussion of an NPOV dispute in progress. As such, the template isn't appropriate, and the  template should have been used instead. Second, I also do not believe there is any POV problem with this page. NPOV doesn't neccessarilly mean all points of view need to be given equal time. To start with, the page is about Home Taping is Killing Music as a slogan, not a discussion on the ethics of home taping and other types of piracy in general. There is simply not much more that can be said from the anti-piracy point of view on this particular topic. You have to be able to create articles about industrial accidents, diseases, and other generally unpleasant phenomena, without having to dedicate equal article time to the positive effects of Cholera, for example. As such, I'm removing the NPOV tag from the page. If anybody disagrees with this, and wants to enter into a discussion, go ahead and put it back in. After all, if somebody responds to this, where will actually *be* a dispute in progress, and then the tag would have merit. :-) Pv2b 06:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

home cooking is killing the restaurant industry
good parody http://msqr.us/m2/archives/img/home-cooking.png --74.108.165.29 00:33, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

lol, yes that's rather funny just found out about it in Steal This Film. Sadly this articles got a few to many images or we could add that one to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.149.114.20 (talk) 10:56, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

edit buttons
not sure why but they're all located down the bottom right of the page —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.17.80.198 (talk) 19:21, 15 April 2007 (UTC).

"record" button
if home recording (eg. from radio) was so illegal, why do the tape players have a record button 216.183.142.151 (talk) 01:41, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Im not really sure, but i guess when they where made no one listened 2 the record industry's whining about it and let people use it much the same as VCR's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.149.114.20 (talk) 11:00, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Old "Music centres" used to allow you to record directly from the record deck to the tape deck too. But that was supposedly because you're allowed legally to make a copy of a record that you own, provided its only for your own use (e.g. taking in your car, or using on your Walkman) and you don't give or sell it to anyone else. And I assume that recording some things frm the radio is not illegal anyway. Recording radio programs that don't feature music is probably a breach of copyright of the radio company, but it wouldn't affect the record industry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.198.33.252 (talk) 13:13, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

more info?
While there's plenty of detail on the myriad ways in which the slogan has been parodied, there's very little information on the actual occurrence of the slogan. How was it used? Was there media containing this slogan? Was there any notable impact? Was there any sort of backlash? EznorbYar —Preceding comment was added at 11:50, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

It was generally either printed on leaflets that were stuck inside record sleeves, or it was printed on the record's inner sleeve itself (i.e. the white paper one that the actual vinyl record slipped into before going into the actual record sleeve). I don't recall any impact at all. Everyone I knew (I was about 17-18 at the time) carried on home-taping, and in fact we made a point of deliberately home-taping albums where the slogan was printed, just to prove it didn't work ("negative conditioning"!). It was all a bunch of crap anyway. Home taping wasn't "killing music". The music industry was doing that, by turning into bland corporate pap, and of course it continues to do it today, even more so in fact. The sooner the industry dies the better. I'd happily survive on a diet of amateur music, theres a myriad of that on the net these days. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.198.33.252 (talk) 13:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

SVG version of the logo
I have recreated an SVG version of the logo from http://www.openclipart.org/detail/14972 and adding the text using the Impact font.

I don't know whether this meets the vector image quality standards (I don't know which they might be). And I cannot access my Commons account (I cannot even remember whether I created a commons account).

So there is a link to the SVG image (http://www.ousia.tk/home-taping.svg). I have just realized that I forgot to convert the text to outlines, so you need the Microsoft Impact font (freely available from http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/corefonts/impact32.exe [main site: http://web.nickshanks.com/fonts/microsoft-core-web-fonts]).

Tell me whether you are interested on it.

Thanks for your excellent work,

Ousia (talk) 17:52, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Cultural Impact or Contemporary Usage
It strikes me that this article is missing any comment on the current usage of this phrase or it's cultural legacy. the only context in which i ever hear HTIKM is to mock or undermine any current anti piracy campaign by the MPAA, BPI, RIAA etc. It's legacy is the home taping didn't kill music. Would be great if someone could find a way of doing this. Flagpolewiki (talk) 16:34, 4 June 2012 (UTC)