Talk:Home economics

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College list
I reformated the colleges and acdemic departments list so that all were displayed in a similar manner, with the parent institution name first, followed first by a colon and then by the full name of the college, school, or department.

The statements about food science are way off base and I don't think they belong in the article at all. Post a note if you want to discuss this point, otherwise I'm going to take them out.

Posting here is new to me. Do let me know if I am not following protocol. I added a link to the Board of Human Sciences and revised the name of the program at Iowa State University from Family and Consumer Sciences to Human Sciences. Both have been existence under these names for more than five years. Human sciences (talk) 22:10, 8 March 2010 human sciences 16:10, 8 March 2010

I assume they have now gone?

It would really help if you would date notes like this (but I know I forget sometimes). I do not know if this was a month ago or two years ago (talk)--BozMo 20:30, 10 May 2004 (UTC)

The origin of Home Economics is scientifically based with founder Ellen H. Richards (see Culinary Biographies, Arndt,2006) The organization she helped form was the American Home Economics Association now know as the American Association of Family and Consumer Sciences, the true authority on the body of knoweldge encompassed and still taught in the majority of high schools across the country, open to all students. 5/6/2007 E. Reagin, home economist, BA 1980.

Is anyone going to put a list back up? Might look at Rossiter? K8shep (talk) 17:45, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Re-inserting relevant links
I noticed that there was some concern with the links to “A Taste for Science” and HEARTH that I had added previously, so I am re-inserting them with the assurance that they are not spam. As a virtual exhibit from Cornell University’s Mann Library, the information provided by the “Taste for Science” link is both well-researched and reputable, focusing especially on the development of home economics as a field and the idea of ‘scientific cookery’ in America. HEARTH is a useful online archive through which one may access full texts of home economic books and journals dating from 1820 to 1979.--MannLib (talk) 12:33, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Neutrality
Is it really necessary for this article to espouse the "importance" of Family and Consumer Sciences in an entire section devoted to it? Wikipedia is not the place for the glorification of some educational philosophy's place in North American schools. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.179.106.118 (talk) 23:05, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It should not have been in the article. I just removed it at your prompting.  Blue Rasberry    (talk)   01:12, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Home economics
The Home economics article actually starts by saying that it is "also known as family and consumer science. Surely that is good support for a merger?  Also, Consumer Science is a redirect to the one article, and Consumer science to the other. Slashme (talk) 08:00, 8 November 2013 (UTC)


 * I think this is a good idea. Should we just do it?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr.Robert Hughes Jr. (talk • contribs) 14:56, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I made both Consumer science and Consumer Science redirect to Family and consumer science. That they did not both go there before was some mistake.
 * There is reason to discuss a merger between Home economics and Family and consumer science but if a merger is to happen, the definitions of each will need to be articulated and will ought to call for a community vote. I can arrange the vote if other people put together arguments detailing why merger should and should not be enacted. The kinds of evidence which ought to be considered include citing which reputable and relevant organizations use which name, any documents which define either term so that people can judge whether the terms really do refer to equivalent fields, and which terms the media uses with representation from at least a few countries (perhaps United States, England, and India would be a representative survey). Candidates for naming in addition to "home economics" and "family and consumer science" might be "consumer economics" and "consumer studies". I am not sure which name or names or best or how all of these might be defined.  Blue Rasberry    (talk)   15:25, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

I am the lead author of the Japanese version of Wikipedia "Home Economics"(家政学). Heck, I would should make a cross-language link to either, this item of the Japanese version? In Japan, English translation of Home Economics is "Home Economics". In 1994, history whose name has been changed to "family and consumer science" is, and has been generated from the name change issue of American Home Economics Association, I learned in graduate school and university. That either will be "integrated", I thought to be a breeze when you want to create a link between language. In the Japanese version, now has announced "If you want to refer to the English version, see both" he said. However, I think historically, the original is a home economics, family and consumer science do you not intended to be finished for the name has been changed later? I think the easy integration that we should avoid. In view of the problems, such as inter-language links course, integration is welcome. And I think in everyone change depending on whether you are focused on either ensuring the current, that historic? --御門桜(MIKADO, Sakura) (talk) 17:24, 17 February 2014 (UTC) Absolutely not. These are different disciplines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.6.164.238 (talk) 12:08, 21 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I have gone ahead and boldly merged these, since the articles were about exactly the same thing. -- Visviva (talk) 18:37, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

As a Family and Consumer Science teacher I feel the title Home Economics pulls us back, we don't call it that anymore, so why have that be the main title? Why isn't it Family and Consumer Science, formerly known as Home Economics. It just seems backwards to me for it to be titled the old name and then say what we call it in modern day. Seibatooth (talk) 05:13, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

The name change seems to very very americanised and not give the global perspectives that is modern home economics. It is known as Home Economics in Australia. JoMax001 (talk) 13:07, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

What happened with the -s?
According to the lead of the article and according to the quoted sources it should be Family and consumer sciences with an 's'. Why isn't this in the article name? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:42, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 17 May 2016

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The result of the move request was: Moved. .  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   12:15, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Family and consumer science → Home economics – These two articles were merged in 2015, which is fine as there seems to be general agreement they are about the same topic. However, I think the articles were merged in the wrong direction, i.e. "home economics" should have been kept as the title because it is the clear common name. See for example this ngram and if we are worried that's not recent enough because it ends in 2008, post-2012 Google Scholar hits gives 16K results for "Home economics" compared to 6K for "Family and consumer sciences" and 1K for "Family and consumer science". Note that if there is a consensus for a move a history swap will be required to preserve the attribution history of the target page. Jenks24 (talk) 13:30, 17 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Can someone identify any reliable sources which establish "home economics" as the name of this field of study? A contemporary textbook, an academic journal or even just an article, a dictionary, or whatever else. I do not think it is established that "family and consumer science" is the same as "home economics". Should "home economics" and "family and consumer science" be separate articles? Is there another contemporary name for this - "consumer studies", as in The International Journal of Consumer Studies?  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  17:11, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * &#8203;"Home economics" and "family and consumer science" re one and the same. Check out this, this and this.  The Family and Consumer Sciences Research Journal was called the Home Economics Research Journal until 1994. —  AjaxSmack   00:56, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I confirm that all of these sources group "home economics" and "family and consumer science" together. The Handbook explicitly says, "the field of study and profession first named home economics and today, to more accurately reflect the breadth and scope of the field, called family and consumer sciences". Here are those sources expanded with descriptions -
 * Changing ourselves: narrative experiences of women taking the lead in family and consumer sciences
 * One is a history book, the other is a dissertation which is not widely published, and the handbook is sort of a perspective from another field. These are all good sources but I wonder if we can find something published more recently, from the field itself, and from a respected authority. I think that all of these suggest that "family and consumer sciences" is the preferred term.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  14:13, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * One is a history book, the other is a dissertation which is not widely published, and the handbook is sort of a perspective from another field. These are all good sources but I wonder if we can find something published more recently, from the field itself, and from a respected authority. I think that all of these suggest that "family and consumer sciences" is the preferred term.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  14:13, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * One is a history book, the other is a dissertation which is not widely published, and the handbook is sort of a perspective from another field. These are all good sources but I wonder if we can find something published more recently, from the field itself, and from a respected authority. I think that all of these suggest that "family and consumer sciences" is the preferred term.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  14:13, 18 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I first thought that "family and consumer science" was a WTF title for home ec. A perusal of edit histories shows that the family and consumer science has been around since way back in 2001 and that home economics redirected to that page from its creation in 2004 until 2008.  Home economics had a separate article from 2008 till early 2015 until the remerge.  —  AjaxSmack   00:56, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Great research. I think this establishes that there is a history of uncertainty and lack of consensus. Your saying this makes me want to check contemporary practice now and collect the evidence to make a fresh decision.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  14:02, 18 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I checked Wikidata to see how this concept is treated in other languages. English Wikipedia influences Wikidata and other language Wikipedias, so I thought for this concept, checking Wikidata would be useful. Both "home economics" and "family and consumer science" are popular and probably confused concepts.
 * , 10 articles
 * , 18 articles
 * I do not think article count by language is a good way to predict the best term, because in some cases an article which obviously means "home economics" is linked through Wikidata to "family and consumer science".
 * The reason why I think these concepts are confused is that some languages which have one do not have the other. This could be supporting evidence that other language Wikipedias have presented these as the same concept, just like in English. Languages which have articles for both concepts include Arabic, Danish, French, Japanese, and Korean, but there is no example of a language which has developed articles in both languages.
 * Here are the most developed articles on the concept in other languages and how Google Translate translates their names to English
 * ja:家政学 (Japanese), "home economics"
 * de:Hauswirtschaft (German), "home economics"
 * ka:ಗೃಹವಿಜ್ಞಾನ (Kannada), "domestic science"
 * My takeaway from all of this is that English Wikipedia should be especially thoughtful in choosing the right name and back the decision with evidence. Whatever happens here could shape the development of other Wikipedias.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  14:00, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think literal translations from other languages are generally helpful arguments in such caes. Johnbod (talk) 04:46, 20 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Another argument in support of the nomination is the fact that all academics working in this discipline are called Home economists. Not only has Category:Home economists that category title, but it also comes back in nearly all individual articles that are listed in this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 19 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Support Family and consumer science is unknown in British English, wheras the old name seems globally understood. Johnbod (talk) 04:46, 20 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Support per nom (i.e., WP:UCN) and User:Johnbod. After further review, "family and consumer science" seems to be American WP:JARGON and "home economics" benefits from WP:COMMONALITY.  —  AjaxSmack   03:12, 23 May 2016 (UTC)


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Draft outline
There's a draft for an outline on this topic at WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of family and consumer science if anyone is interested. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 19:57, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

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Friendly Wikipedians, I have made a short evaluation to this article as part of my tutorial. It has been posted into my Sandbox. I do however have a few questions, despite my requirement to have one. - What is it that makes the methodology of caring for a home a science? - What are the requirements for the sharing of such knowledge to be acknowledged as a scientific field of study? - If an already established academic institution was to study the various methods of house keeping of another culture (example: American University studying how women from Rwanda manage and cook within their homes/homesteads) would this remain part of Home Economics/Consumer Science or would it fall under Anthropology or Sociology? If my questions are dumb, please let me know. :) S. S. Negm 18:01, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

History of Home Economics from 18-21st Century
Hey! I am working on adding new information to this page. I wanted to add more to each century and make it more into a cohesive timeline. Therefore, I am working on adding and organizing the main history section into 19th, 20th, and 21st centuries. Aahammer99 (talk) 19:28, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Taught worldwide?
I don't think this is true. In some countries the high school curriculum is quite fixed and only covers academics & physic education classes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User: (talk • contribs)
 * Worldwide doesn't mean in literally every country. Schazjmd   (talk)  20:28, 9 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I would like to chime in to agree with the original comment. No, "worldwide" doesn't mean that it's taught everywhere. The fact that the first country on the list is mentioned as not requiring/providing home ec (in most cases) is evidence of this.
 * I came to the article wondering about the history of the subject and the reason it's not around anymore. I'm guessing that a lot of the skills (sewing, gardening) have been replaced by consumer goods (fast fashion, grocery shopping); women being in the workforce has made home ec less practical; the subjects can't be taught as "girl" subjects but there is still a stigma of "girliness" around them; USA school funding went away from subjects like home ec (and its masculine counterpart, shop class) in favor of STEM and other subjects more suitable for standardized testing; those are some of my many guesses that I figured this article would confirm or deny.
 * What I didn't expect was the article acting like home ec is still a popular class required all over the world. That may be true in some countries, but in the USA, I don't even know how many younger people could tell you what it is. And I doubt anyone I know could define "family and consumer sciences"! If a school still teaches home ec, I would expect it to either be in a rural community (like how some schools will teach farming-related skills) or to get massive backlash as being unfeminist.
 * At least, the article should link Home Ec to the trend of "Adulting Classes," which teach the same skills - minus the gender association and without government funding - to people who didn't learn them in school. I hesitate to do my own research on this, since I'm not a regular editor. I don't want to revamp or make whole sections unless I'm really familiar with the topic, which I'm not. 2601:281:D47F:2918:4462:3118:4370:427E (talk) 02:00, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think the article presents it as a "popular class". Most of the individual sections by country note the changes over time. For the US, the article states Some schools are starting to incorporate life skill courses back into their curriculum, but as a whole, home economics courses have been in major decline in the past century. In 2012 there were only 3.5 million students enrolled in FCS secondary programs, a decrease of 38 percent over a decade. In 2020 the AAFCS estimates that there are 5 million students enrolled in FCS programs. If you're interested, a good book is The Secret History of Home Economics (2021). Schazjmd   (talk)  05:13, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

tone
This entry is entirely too favorable on the subject. Home Economics in the 1960's was unabashedly a training course in pleasing husbands. It was required for girls (in my state, United States) but not for boys. It was sexist and chauvinistic, and never should have been sanctione by educational authorities. 2601:346:1180:4320:B1AD:AADC:4E38:3A0A (talk) 16:02, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

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