Talk:Homefront (video game)/Archive 1

The Irony of Homefront
The irony of this game is that it appears to represent the USA with a 'shining light' of hope and democracy. Unfortunately, complaints from consumers on the THQ forums are deleted or hidden. Updates to the 'Homefront (video game)' main Wiki page that reflect actual/truthful problems with the game are deleted. Free speech, speech that can be verified and is representative of problems reported by multiple users is hidden, ignored, suppressed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iateyourcat (talk • contribs) 11:04, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

And how is this important? 66.59.49.88 (talk) 17:01, 21 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Two things: A, this is just WP:OR and is therefore irrelevant. B, you do not have the right to free speech on a forum unless the administrator of the forum says so. A company forum (or any forum really) is private property in cyberspace and your rights to free speech do not apply there. Get an RS talking about it and then come back. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie Say Shalom! 02:50, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

And besides, the so-called "truthful problems" are generally "WAAAH WAAAH HOE DEED NOARTH KOERA WEEN WAAH WAAH!" 66.59.49.88 (talk) 13:06, 23 March 2011 (UTC)


 * That too, forums are often full of pointless bawwwing that have no place in a WP article. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie Say Shalom! 21:59, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Wait Until It's Out
For commercial purposes, this game does not even exist. Until it influences some sort of popular or cultural demand, I don't see how this work-in-progress, run-of-the-mill, cookie-cutter game deserves an article. Please remove this until further obvious need. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.243.180.163 (talk) 19:00, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, video games that have yet to be released do make it into Wikipedia on most instances. Thus, it is entirely acceptable, and does not even run into any sort of conflict with the manual of style.  Besides, just because it has yet to make an influence on popular culture doesn't mean that it won't after its release.  American Imperialist (talk) 20:22, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Interesting that by virtue of it not being out yet, you are confident its cultural impact does not warrant a Wikipedia article. Yet in spite of your very acknowledgment that it is not out yet, you are nevertheless confident that it is "run-of-the-mill". You really need to put your crystal ball to better uses than this. Could you, for instance, allow the US Federal Reserve bank to use it? Maybe we can avoid running directly into a fiscal brick wall if we can harness the prescience of 96.243.180.163! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.82.208.44 (talk) 05:16, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Wow
This game is such BS, North Korea will never be able to do this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.225.40.97 (talk) 00:06, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree, I watched the trailer and it seems plausible but very unlikely, Where is China in the story? They wouldn't let the Koreans do this, if North Korea even thinks about invading S. Korea then we have troops right there at the border, the Communist north uses old ww2 and Cold war surplus, their economy is absolutely destroyed by their communistic ideals, and in the trailer the price of gas went up to near $20 a gallon, since when does S. Korea control our gas prices? Oh and to top it off, we've armed S. Korea and Japan to the near teeth with offsets of our technology, this story is impossible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.252.155 (talk) 09:07, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


 * ... This is a video game. 72.134.97.155 (talk) 04:30, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Jesus Christ, you two are joking, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.2.230 (talk) 01:22, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * For future reference, discussion pages are not meant to be public forums. Please state your personal opinions about the game elsewhere.  Only make comments regarding the article itself rather than the game.  Thank you.  American Imperialist (talk) 03:52, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

well actually it is possible as American culture crumbles riots talks of treason North and south korean unite plus they most likely get support from other countrys the hate America ( Mexico, peru, russia, japan, china, iran, afghnistan, iraq,united kingdom ect) and thats just off the top of my head the 20 dollars makes everyone poor probly even soldiers they are forced onto the streets making them sad and the fact that the U.S is over confident about there military abilitys example the wars in Iraq Iran and Afghanistan plus with the higher gas prices americans will get less education —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.6.168.201 (talk) 05:03, 28 December 2010 (UTC)


 * America would wipe Korea (or any country for that matter) off the map with nuclear ICBMs before being conquered.

Not true NATO and the UN would never allow it under any circumstance let the u.s conduct a genocide of millions or civilians 207.6.168.201 (talk) 04:59, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

67.110.59.38 Just be lucky they don't reall invade just Grubville, Missouri 207.6.168.201 (talk) 22:40, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Or New Westminster, British Columbia for that matter! =O TheArchaeologist Say Herro 00:47, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Yeah this game should get its facts straight. How dumb do they think we are. We will never believe this poppy-cop. I hope they ban this fictional story and make America the righteous bad-asses we all know America is. God save America! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.185.221 (talk) 14:01, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * You're looking at the glass as half-empty. Our asses might be kicked, but we are back to being patriotic rebels again, at least in this storyline. The campaign is about forcing them invaders out of our country. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie, AKA TheArchaeologist Say Herro 14:21, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

207.6.168.201, what kind of crack are you smoking? as far as i know, the only country you listed there that hates us is NONE OF THEM! besides, why the heck are you guys STILL talking about this? its a GAME! it isnt going to happen, and i don't care how unrealistic you say it is. 66.59.49.88 (talk) 12:40, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

1. I live in Burnaby 2. almost all the countries in europe hates america (no offense to anyone) 3. canada an Korean actuallu has a good relationship like Canada and the U.S 4. as 66.59.49.88 said it is a gamem, Also there is only one type of crack the good stuff :p 207.6.168.201 (talk) 07:09, 18 March 2011 (UTC) P.S 78.86.185.221 it says you are from the UK —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.6.168.201 (talk) 07:13, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes a lot of europeans may hate the USA, but it's not as a whole. generally there are specific people in the European Union that like the USA and certain ones that dont. also, Canada isn't allied with the DPRK. 66.59.49.88 (talk) 15:46, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

? when did i say they were allied i agree alot hate america alot hates canada alot hates carrots anyways they are on good tails because Canad helps with humanitarian aid 207.6.168.201 (talk) 06:15, 20 March 2011 (UTC) (plus if america was attacked by a foriegn force and canad was drafting i would join up along with alot of people here we may hate you but your our (non literal) cousins 207.6.168.201 (talk) 06:15, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * They would also come after you guys next, so it's in our mutual interest for our brother nations to help each other. ;) Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie Say Shalom! 07:36, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Exactly but in the game they didn't take over the US only part of it but definitly it the US wad invaded the definate countries that would help is Canada and the UK (england, scotland, ireland) 207.6.168.201 (talk) 00:01, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, the plot in this game is absolute bullsh*t. both in plausibility and in terms of a good story. but it is a GAME. 66.59.49.88 (talk) 12:07, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

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The boxart is broken.--FifthCylon (talk) 07:45, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Timeline for the game ?
The trailer has a timeline for the game. Is it a good idea to add info to article ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.148.142.17 (talk) 04:47, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's ME--Brown Shoes22 (talk) 05:07, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

The timeline link to the game's site is dead (footnote 11). 72.135.229.46 (talk) 14:52, 19 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The timeline can be gotten from the Homefront site. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie Say Shalom! 17:10, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Any reaction from the [real] North Korean government?
Just curious if anybody's heard anything about the actual government's reaction. They've reacted to other things that seemingly disparage NK before. Is that something that should be entered into a "Critical Reactions" or "Criticisms" section eventually? ThePenciler (talk) 03:49, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

It's already been banned in BOTH Koreas, not just the north. 66.59.49.88 (talk) 16:23, 8 February 2011 (UTC)


 * What isn't banned in the DPRK? I mean that seriously. Though I would not be surprised if there is a single IP address playing MP from the DPRK if you know what I mean. The South Koreans most likely banned it because the game is just too damn scary to them. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie, AKA TheArchaeologist Say Herro 14:16, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Not exactly, the South Koreans banned it because it showed SK being annexed by NK and that it also shows a violent result of the Korean peninsula tensions. 66.59.49.88 (talk) 12:36, 15 March 2011 (UTC)


 * And how is that different from what I said? =p Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie, AKA TheArchaeologist Say Herro 16:38, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

now that i look at it, not much :P 66.59.49.88 (talk) 15:43, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Copy and Paste
I just realized that one of the sections contains the exact text from the source of which it is cited (the steam store page). I'm not exactly sure, but I think that may be a copyright violation. I thus have taken the liberty to tag the section in question indicating such. American Imperialist (talk) 03:52, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You'd be right. I'm not sure if it is a violation tohugh, and if it is, to whom, Steam, or whoever owns the Homefront title?--208.189.200.2 (talk) 21:11, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

False Information
This particular segment is what has grabbed my attention:

This world also features fictional physics; for example, EMP bombs are capable of destroying almost any infrastructure, and objects of interest are magnetically attracted to the player.

No link is provided to reinforce this claim and none of the previews i've read have stated any of this. I believe someone who is unhappy with the scenario put forward in the game is trying to put it in bad light. I recommend it be removed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.107.245.161 (talk) 11:55, 26 August 2010 (UTC)


 * The above information is NOT false. Virtually every source that I've seen for this game mentions that, as part of the back story, EMP bombs destroy America's infrastructure, but here are some sources that reference this bit of fictional physics.


 * As far as the magnetism, here's the sources:. --M @ r ē ino 04:11, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * EMPs CAN destroy infrastructure, it's no secret. An EMP can knock out, simultaneously, all electronics-based forms of transportation (cars, aeroplanes, trains, etc), annihilate communications (no electronics within the affected zone would work), and anything else that relies on circuits (as in, the U.S.' ENTIRE infrastructure) would be ruined without any way to repair it. If that isn't destroying infrastructure, I dunno what is. Everyone would be reduced to biking to places, candle-lighting their houses, and using ice to keep food fresh. And they'd have to physically go to places to communicate with the people there. That's destruction of infrastructure. YuriKaslov (talk) 14:50, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Actually if an EMP burst went up right now above me I could turn on my cell phone (currently off) without a problem because EMP only affects ACTIVE systems. This computer I am using however would be a paperweight. Also, the US (And Russian, and French and German, etc...) military equipment is hardend against EMP because it was expected during the Cold War that it would be used in battle with nukes going off at random. A military computer is going to shrug it off without a problem, as will a jet fighter. In addition many companies use a more primitive but highly effective version of anti-EMP hardening called a Faraday Cage around their backup computer systems in the event of nuclear attack at one of their major nexus. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.69.184.198 (talk) 06:21, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Regardless, it is not as Mareino says "false physics"; most civilian technology would be eliminated, including cars and most electronics systems, since most people have a penchant of leaving the latter on forever. And our infrastructure is entirely civilian. (side-note, since this is a game about geurillas, they'd likely only have access to civvie tech or what they could scrounge from dead guys) YuriKaslov (talk) 15:28, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Release date changed?
On the Homefront wiki somebody posted that the release date was changed until october third (or it might've been march 8th; the actual wording was 8.3.11), but they did not have a source. Can anybody confirm? YuriKaslov (talk) 15:29, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Stub
Is it time to upgrade this from a Stub. Has enough information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AngryAngus (talk • contribs) 09:11, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I am assessing as Start. A good way to improve it would be to remove the timeline (or at least appropriately demonstrate it in prose), adding reception from previews or observations from reliable sources, and making a Development section. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 06:00, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Article expansion
Possibly add list of weapons such as the bmp vehicles and emp grenades. Also add factor of realism, say target damage of the fusilage on certain vehicles. If in common with other games, would also add APC street vehicles, if they are or are not. Lots of these weapons are new or unknown. Is it possible to concisely give a list of weapons list? On a side note Personally i have no qualms against this game. I like this game, the implementation of large environments is a new feature to incorporate, even if thq is new to this field of realworld fps multi-vehicular gaming. Reviews gave it 70 which is abit harsh. Game deserves atleast an 80.

As well, this game has features common in mp such as 'stalking' and 'scoping opponents. Yeah sure the koreans look like arabic hoodlums sometimes. Sure the graphics sometimes remind me of tony hawk 2 so wat anyways its how u play the game. Gameplay A+ graphics B- At least i admit it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.42.105 (talk) 18:13, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.42.105 (talk) 03:05, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

What sort of DRM, also quit it. =p
First off, ZOMG COREAN INVASION OF THE LEFT COAST AND THE MIDWEST WASTELAND! Second, I see Steam for the PC version which makes me sad, but what other sort of DRM will there be? People want to know this sort of thing if they are considering buying it for PC so that they can determine how bad the infection is and whether it is worth it or they should probably get a console version. Don't tell them ofc or put your own opinion in, but provide the info for them to make a smart choice. Lastly, would people quit whining about the plot being BS and about the EMP? I mean it's speculative fiction (with probably a bit of fantasy), it's supposed to be made up and somewhat daffy. As for the EMP. Think of something like Star Wars with its lightsabers. It is not possible to trap a laser beam like that as the Force (sadly) does not exist. Let's apply that sort of thinking here. You want to see really implausible: Prayers for the Assassin, now that is implausible (Israel would totally nuke New York (Jew York), Washington and Mecca, riiiiight). So focus on the article people. :p TheArchaeologist (talk) 02:40, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

the only DRM on the game is having a steam client. take a look at http://forums.gameservers.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=43926 for info. i was fearful it was going to be like that new command and conquer game that requires a continuous internet connection. thankfully it isn't.(12.236.113.53 (talk) 09:22, 15 March 2011 (UTC))

Well then it's just a major ETD (electronically transmitted disease) and not cancer then. Others might be mildly relieved as well. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie, AKA TheArchaeologist Say Herro 16:42, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Hpelgrift please tell me you are spelling Korean with a C because you want to —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.6.168.201 (talk) 00:06, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Corea with a C is the cool kids' spelling, so yes, I am doing so because I want to. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie Say Shalom! 01:52, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

According to http://xbox360.gamespy.com/xbox-360/homefront/ on the XBox 360:
United States: 15 March 2011 United Kingdom: 11 March 2011 Japan: March 2011 Australia: 17 March 2011

For PC: http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/homefront/
United States: 15 March 2011 United Kingdom: February 2011 Japan: March 2011 Australia: 17 March 2011 Note: This site lists the game as RP-T+ rating pending while the official game site has the ESRB tag for Mature (violence, etc).

Amazon US (http://www.amazon.com/Homefront-Xbox-360/dp/B003Q53VZC/) has a date of 15 March 2011.

Sire TRM (talk) 13:00, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Sequels section delete
I deleted the Sequels section because the source does not actually talk about a specifically planned sequel; it's only talked about hypothetically. Noformation (talk) 10:26, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Reception
The reception section states that the game scored better than Call of Duty: Black Ops on Metacritic and better than both Black Ops and Bad Company 2 on Game Rankings. While there is a citation on that in the article, I really don't see the relevance of that information. The last time I checked Wikipedia was an online encyclopedia, not a website to compare which games are better. It seems somewhat biased to me. I thought it would also be worth mentioning that I have pre-ordered Homefront and I already own Black Ops and Bad Company 2, so I hold no bias towards any of these games. The game does not come out until tomorrow (3/15/11 in North America) so it seems a little early to have a reviews section anyway. - George —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.77.6.190 (talk) 13:50, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * It isn't too early to have reviews from game reviewers if they have gotten to play the game early. Not all. However, you are absolutely right that its score shouldn't be compared to other FPSs, it's not a pissing contest after all as you said (though much more elegantly). Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie, AKA TheArchaeologist Say Herro 14:24, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Fix't Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie, AKA TheArchaeologist Say Herro 08:15, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for making that fix. Now that the game has been released the reviews section needs some editing. Several reviews of the game have been released from major gaming media outlets such as IGN and gameinformer. Would it be possible for someone to create one of those tables with all of the major reviewers scores as well as the overall scores from Game Rankings and Metacritic? I have never done any editing to an actual article on Wikipedia and there are people far more experienced than I am. It would be greatly appreciated. - George


 * Seems like there's fighting over the scores. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie Say Shalom! 06:21, 17 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Can't we all just get along? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.77.6.190 (talk) 13:37, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism
Someone vandalized the article and I've tried restoring the article to the best of my ability ,however since this is really the first time I've ever meddled with a wiki article someone else is going to have to do the proper revisions. All I was able to accomplish was to undo enough changes to get rid of vulgar language. I don't want to undo anymore changes due to fear of messing with the actual article content that is burried somewhere in the history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.242.153.48 (talk) 12:49, 15 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Could point out where the vulgar language is? I didn't catch any when I went through it. BOVINEBOY 2008 15:32, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Kimpossible leap forward
So is there any company statement about how Kim Song-Un, in the course of a year, manages to reunite the Corean Peninsula and then in only 15 years bring us to our knees? I mean seriously, the timeline clearly shows that when he comes to power, North Corea becomes Best Corea, and there is no explanation why. Is he a super genius or something? Has the company given any info on this? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie, AKA TheArchaeologist Say Herro 21:49, 15 March 2011 (UTC)


 * You have to ask the devs about it. This is not a forum to discuss such questions. Regard  So Why  08:24, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh for the love of St. Peter. I am saying get the bloody info so you can put it in the bloody article as that is a question about the game that should be covered in the article. Don't you think I would know about the forum rule by now? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie Say Shalom! 19:46, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

ok this game is a pain i must say it takes forver to find and join a match and what the hell when ur trying to join it sai joining failed error creating a beacon ....WHAT DOES MEAN


 * ^ Now that is something in violation of WP:NOTFORUM. Though to answer this poor fellow's question, it means their servers are crap. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie Say Shalom! 01:47, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Question
Might if [I use this article to talk about controversy about the xenophobia] on people with East Asian origin? Ominae (talk) 05:16, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

VA Question
Did anyone recognize the voice actor of the "British News Anchor" at the very end of the campaign? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.217.165.105 (talk) 12:38, 19 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Did you check the credits? I don't really think it's very relevant to the article I'm afraid, as it's not a film. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie Say Shalom! 17:11, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Additional material
Heres a review from the Sydney Morning Herald's Digital Life section: Review - Homefront. Salavat (talk) 07:24, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

What is DLC?
At the end of the article there is a section called DLC and I have no idea what DLC's are. I looked up on the site and there are several options to pick from but as far as I can tell it means Downloadable content? However I just wanted to make sure before I do anything. The reason I want to change it is because the article does not make sense if, like me, the word DCL means noting to you. That been said I might just be very dumb here so I am checking here if an edit needs doing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inputdata (talk • contribs) 16:53, 5 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep, it's Downloadable Content. I don't think there could be any harm in lengthening the name to downloadable content for cases when someone's not heard of it before. =) Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie Say Shalom! 21:36, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Kaos Studio's Last Game?
I just noticed that in the first paragraph, there is a mention that says "Homefront is Kaos Studio's last game". it appears to be unsourced and i cannot verify it's truthfulness. should it be removed? 66.59.49.88 (talk) 16:31, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


 * It looks like it was indeed their last game. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie &#124; Say Shalom! 19:28, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Sale banned in N/S Korea?
I just got off Skype with my friend who's in the Air Force and has spent the last year in Kunsan AFB. He bought the game on-base, as it's considered American territory. He said he had to "TMO" the game because if he were to try and take it on the plane it would be confiscated as the game itself is illegal in North and South Korea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.58.44.3 (talk) 22:04, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Lack of Information about the Communism in The Game
The game is clearly related with the communists you just need to look at the cover to see it. But unfortunately the article doesn't yet have the information about the subject. Hope some of you can enjoy putting this information on the artcile, because i don't know too much about the subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.43.28.46 (talk) 19:50, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Kim Jong-dead
This might be worth keeping an eye on for more RS coverage, for a little flavour text... Sceptre (talk) 04:19, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It's amusing, but rather trivial and probably doesn't belong in the article without extensive coverage comparing this news item to the game. Some guy (talk) 07:52, 19 December 2011 (UTC) edit: People gettin' really carried away with this thing. Some guy (talk) 03:24, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

weird scroll over link
something's wrong with the page. the entire article has some weird blog attached to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.39.222 (talk) 21:28, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds like you have a virus. Some guy (talk) 03:46, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Source: Polygon in-depth article
Rob Zacny wrote an extensive article on the game's long dev cycle which is a great resource. I also think Leigh Alexander's write-up is underused. Axem Titanium (talk) 17:04, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Similar movie
I remember seeing a trailer for a movie about North Korea invading the US. It seems it was Red Dawn, but I thought the name was "Homefront" for a second and spent some time trying to search for it. Funny enough, both Homefront and Red Dawn had China references changed to North Korea. If there's any more info on the controversies, we could add them in. - M0rphzone (talk) 10:16, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * We should not imply a relation between the two without sources explicitly saying one was based on or inspired by the other. For now, mentioning the refuted claim that the writer of the original Red Dawn wrote Homefront in the intro is fine. We're not going to start putting that the new Red Dawn is Homefront: The Movie. Some guy (talk) 10:46, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

servers not offline
as i said, the servers are not actually offline, the playlists are just unavailable. private matches (online, not just local) can still be made and played. if servers were truly offline this wouldnt be possible. i have the game and just played it to re-confirm this (have been checking at least once a month if the playlists became available again). wanna play online? gather some friends.

servers completely offline
about mid-september last year, i put the game on my ps3 to see the status of the online. now it simply flashes white whenever i choose online. this means even (online) private matches are no longer available. removing the sentence saying you cant still play privates. KRISHANKO (talk) 09:51, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

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