Talk:Homeland/Archive 1

Tibet
Changed Taiwan to Tibet. There is a Taiwan independence movement, but the notion of Taiwan as a ethnic homeland isn't very strong. In fact supporters of Taiwan independence tend to regard Taiwan as a land of immigrants and try to stay away from the idea of ethnic nationalism because that is regarded as giving the PRC a claim over Taiwan and would also set up conflict between the different ethnicities within Taiwan, one of which contains large number of people who were not born in Taiwan.

Tibet is a better example.

Palestinian
Cunctator, thanks for pointing out this article.

In this context, a Palestinian homeland means that Arabs living in the region sometimes known as "Palestine" are looking for a country to belong to. Since no bordering Islamic country has shown any interest in letting them settle permanently, let alone become citizens, they must feel frustrated. Perhaps it is not politically expedient for them to criticize other Arabs; while no one seems to mind if they criticize Israel. The bad blood between Judaism and Islam goes back centuries, I guess.

If Jordan, et al., continue to refuse to help Arabs displaced by the establishment of Israel (54 years ago!), they can either:
 * 1) become Israeli citizens, as some agreed to do
 * 2) grab land in the Sinai or Jordan (e.g., the East Bank)
 * 3) keep trying to make the West Bank a homeland
 * 4) claim and try to get Israel as a homeland called "Palestine" (as their maps currently show it be)
 * 5) or a combination of #3 and #4

Or, they could stop trying to get a homeland and just live wherever they find themselves to be, under the governments currently in existence, as the Kurds and Bedouins are doing. -- Ed Poor, Monday, April 8, 2002


 * If the Jews had done that in 1948 instead of ethnically cleansing the Holy Land of Christians and Muslims, we wouldn't be in this mess today. Fourtildas 06:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * But the Jews tried that and the Arabs rejected it. See the UN Partition Plan for details.  --GHcool 04:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

aspirations

 * [Could have a whole section on aspirations to attain a homeland: Basque separatists, Israeli-Arab conflict, Tibet, Kurdistan.]

I removed the above from the article text, because comments like these don't belong there (and although I do agree with the comment, I'm not going to write that section right now) ~leif 01:47, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

United States
''It was extremely rare for the term to be used by United States citizens to describe their own country up until the term of President George W. Bush and the September 11, 2001 attacks. It was more common for people to use it to refer to the land of their ancestors, so many found the use of the term to be jarring.''

Not being an American I wouldn't know how common the term was pre-Bush (while I will admit I've heard the term used more post-Bush, I can't say it's been absent from the American lexicon beforehand), the use of the words "extremely" and "many" seem to suggest that proof for those statements are needed. I'd like to know, for one. --Canuckguy 01:12, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I am an American, and the word "homeland" was a laughable term used to describe an ethnic territory such as an obscure European country, mostly only used by stereotypes in cartoons and bad tv shows. My mother and older relatives have all made the point that the use of "homeland" in the USA by the media and government feels strange and that they don't like it as it feels un-American. In school my teachers and peers never once used the word 'homeland' to describe our nation, but we were all familiar with the word from its jokey cartoon aplications. Perhaps others can comment on their own experiences. --Haruki 22:10, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

As an American, I use the term homeland carefully. In regards to my ancestors' homelands, I'm something one in America might call "European Soup". I more commonly use the term homeland to refer to Nebraska, to refer to the part of the country that I admire so dearly. I rarely use it inside Nebraska, and more commonly use it when I am out of state, especially in places that tend to stereotype Nebraskans.Cornhusker1225 00:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)