Talk:Homeless (Darin song)

Credits
If anyone has specifically the deluxe edition of Spirit, or perhaps the original if you are from the UK, then could someone tell me the info about "Homeless" please, such as recording location, instrumentalists, mixers etc. Thanks. Aaron  &bull; You Da  One 17:00, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

This article needs renaming
It needs renaming to Homeless (Leona Lewis song), it needs more information, and the standard of writing/presentation needs to be improved.

Re the name, it should be like Sometimes (Britney Spears song) and checkout Blue (The Birthday Massacre song), Blue (Joni Mitchell song), Blue (Bill Mack song), Blue (A Perfect Circle song), Blue (The Rasmus song), Blue (The Verve song) and Blue (Da Ba Dee).

Comments? Moriori (talk) 23:45, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The disambiguation is fine. There is only one song article called Homeless, and this is it. No need to disambiguate Leona Lewis in the name. Also, the prose is fine. So is the presentation. AARON &bull; TALK   00:44, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. Homeless is a song written by Jörgen Elofsson. It was sung on Idol in 2004 in Sweden by Darin. In 2006 it was on his third album Break the News which went straight to number 1 on the album charts and certified gold in its first week of sales. It was also released internationally. Late in 2007 Leona Lewis released her first album called [[Spirit (Leona Lewis album)|Spirit, which included the track Homeless.


 * If the title of this article is to remain Homeless (song) then it has to incorporate the Darin version, and not give the impression it is uniquely a Lewis song.


 * If the article is to mention only Lewis then the title needs to be changed to Homeless (Leona Lewis song).


 * I am surprised to see you say the presentation is fine. It's a long time since I saw an article with such glaring and jarring repetition, and probably never in an article with only four paragraphs.
 * First paragraph: "The song was written by Swedish songwriter Jörgen Elofsson and produced by Steve Mac.
 * Second parapraph: "Homeless was written by Swedish songwriter Jörgen Elofsson, and produced by Steve Mac".
 * First paragraph: "The song's lyrics revolve around Lewis singing about waiting for her boyfriend to come home to where she is waiting for him, but feels homeless without him"
 * Second paragraph: "The song's lyrics revolve around Lewis singing about waiting for her boyfriend to come home to where she is waiting for him, but feels homeless without his presence"
 * Sidebar: "...Lewis singing about waiting for her boyfriend to come home to where she is waiting for him, but feels homeless without him."
 * Moriori (talk) 02:01, 2 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Her's is the only one that charted, so her's is the only one that matters. AARON &bull; TALK   02:08, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * That is a non neutral POV. The second of the WP:Five pillars says the following -- "Editors' personal experiences, interpretations, or opinions do not belong here." With that in mind, would you like to have another go at answering the points I made. Moriori (talk) 02:59, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

What other song is called "Homeless" that has a Wikipedia article? Statυs ( talk ) 16:05, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * There isn't. That is what Moriori is failing to understanding and why his entire point is redundant. AARON &bull; TALK   16:09, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Moriori, your examples are for songs that have the same title by different artists. There are no other song's named "Homeless" with Wikipedia articles. So therefore, "Leona Lewis" is not needed to differentiate. Statυs  ( talk ) 16:11, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 17:32, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Homeless (song) → Homeless (Leona Lewis song) – The current title fails WP:CRITERIA on precision and the first paragraph of WP:DAB. A much better known and more notable song, Homeless (Paul Simon and Ladysmith Black Mambazo song), is now a standalone article but already received en.wikipedia coverage on Graceland (album) and Ladysmith Black Mambazo articles. Both the Paul Simon and Ladysmith Black Mambazo versions appear near the top of Amazon.com mp3 sales for songs called "Homeless", Leona Lewis' doesn't appear till the 3rd page after dozens of other songs called "Homeless". In print sources Homeless + Ladysmith Black Mambazo gets 439 Google Books results, this song pulls up only 4 results, one of which is "Pop singer Leona Lewis saves a bunny from a homeless guy In Los Angeles who was planning to eat it." which maybe should be added to the article. :) In ictu oculi (talk) 09:09, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Support: There are other songs with this name that are covered on Wikipedia, and this one does not seem to be the most notable. I generally believe that the names of artists should be included in the titles of articles about their songs and albums. That makes the titles more clear and recognizable, and avoids future maintenance headaches over whether to consider some particular song or album as primary. New releases often appear with the same names, and the popularity of music is volatile. WP:NCM supports this view. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:59, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Support WP:NCM -- 76.65.131.217 (talk) 04:33, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Support. Would like to say that it should have been moved per WP:PDAB but that's gone now (thus causing more RM discussions?). But I agree with everyone else's supports. – anemone projectors – 09:41, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:SONGDAB which reads pretty much the same as WP:PDAB in any event. --Richhoncho (talk) 13:11, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.