Talk:Homelessness in the United States/Archive 2

re-distribute wealth
Has anyone ever suggested the need to re-distribute wealth equally worldwide? Hillmon7500 (talk) 04:50, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

-This is not a political discussion board.

A few changes I made
I added citations for the causes, combined the two causes section, created a proposed solution and efforts section, and added some other information. Namely, I added misconceptions about panhandling and Gutter punks. I also reformulated some of the wording to better describe the reality of the situation. Additionally, I archived the many archaic discussions on this talk page. I will be keeping an eye on this article, and will continue to make changes to better reflect and express the condition of homelessness in the United States. Gstridsigne (talk) 10:46, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, I did a whole lot of restructuring. The only thing I deleted was the section on homeless women, since it has its own Wikipedia article. I did however add Homeless women in the United States to the See Also section. Otherwise, I didn't delete anything that wasn't already stated elsewhere in the article, and only move things around in such a way that seem more intuitive. Gstridsigne (talk) 11:42, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Public Libraries
Is this section needed in the article? It appeared from a new user without any discussion. Gstridsigne (talk) 20:21, 8 May 2014 (UTC). in there

The Role of Spirituality
As part of an upper level class at Rice University, I would like to add a section to this page on the role of spirituality in the lives of homeless individuals. The section “The Role of Spirituality” will focus on three subsets of the overall homeless population to examine more specifically the impact of spirituality for different life stages. One section will be on how spirituality affects homeless youth, another on women, and the last will be on men who struggle with substance abuse. I broke the population down this way on account of the research I found. While this is by no means a complete picture of all the types of people who are homeless, it is a start to understanding the role spirituality plays in homeless populations. This section is important because it offers a different perspective on the issue of homelessness that is lacking from the current article, the perspective of the people living in the situation. This article bears little mention of the lived reality of a homeless individual but instead focuses on the issue, not the people, and strategies. Is there a better way to format my section than including three population subgroups?

Alison.moscoso (talk) 23:36, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

You cant use your own research in Wikipedia articles. Even if you cite, this sounds like its A: Ideologically charged, and B: based on personal opinions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.208.133.77 (talk) 19:25, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Costs of homeless to municipalities: three times more than an apartment

 * "a Central Florida Commission on Homelessness study indicating that the region spends $31,000 a year per homeless person ... largely for nonviolent offenses such as trespassing, public intoxication or sleeping in parks — as well as the cost of jail stays, emergency-room visits and hospitalization for medical and psychiatric issues. By contrast, getting each homeless person a house and a caseworker to supervise their needs would cost about $10,000 per person.... There are similar studies showing large financial savings in Charlotte and Southeastern Colorado from focusing on simply housing the homeless."

Needs to be added. EllenCT (talk) 08:50, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Addition to "Who are the Homeless" statistics section; link to new article
Hello! My name is Magen, and as an educational project for an upper-level course at Rice University, I am planning to create a new article titled "Homelessness among LGBT Youth in the United States." I also plan to provide a add the statistic that 20-40% of all homeless youth in the United States identify as LGBT under the "Who are the Homelessness" statistics section of the "Homelessness in the United States" page and link this statistic to my new article. This statistic comes from an article titled "Homelessness: LGBT Selective Victimization: Unprotected Youth on the Streets" published in The Journal of Law in Society. I believe it is very important to add this information as soon as possible because LGBT Youth are highly overrepresented in the overall homeless youth, I currently cannot find any information on Wikipedia related to this topic. Especially since this is my first contribution to Wikipedia, I would welcome any advice, ideas, expertise or suggestions. Thank you so much! I look forward to working on this project. Magenstat (talk) 01:31, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I've added this information in a new section headed Costs of dealing with homelessness. I've reworked your suggested wording, added some info, and cited two other supporting sources rather than the one you cited. This probably needs to be edited further and possibly located somewhere else in the article. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:12, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

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Immigration to US
Didn't immigration (around 100 million) cause the original problem of homelessness in houseless America? Please add a link to History of immigration to the United States. Pepper9798 (talk) 22:42, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

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Adding information to the Homeless families section
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I am thinking of adding more information to the demographics section of this article, specifically under the Homelessness component. I have attached my paragraph below please feel free to leave me comments:

The topic of homeless families first emerged in the United States during the 1980’s due to high rates of income equality, child poverty, and the lack of affordable housing. The issue of homeless families came back in 2009 after the Recession, which replicated the same issues from the 80’s. In 2011, the National Center of Homelessness unveiled statistics of a study they operated that ranked the United States number one with the most homeless families among other progressive countries.

Another study discovered the three biggest risk factors that contributed to family homelessness in the United States are ethnicity, lack of resources (specifically funds), and young children/pregnancy. There is also a strong correlation between homeless families and households run and financed by a single female, especially one from a minority group and with at least two children. Single-income families, especially those below the federal poverty line, have a harder time finding housing than other families, especially given the limited affordable housing options. Homeless families do not always take refuge in shelters, but being homeless also does not necessarily mean living on the streets. Homeless women with children are more likely to live with family or friends than those without children, and this group is treated with higher priority by both the government and society. This can be seen through shelters exclusively serving women with children.

There are risks to seeking refuge in shelters, which are heightened and more noticeable for children. Such risks include health problems such as malnutrition from lack of access to food with nutritional content, behavioral problems associated with coping, social insecurity from growing up in an unstable environment, and mental illnesses such as PTSD and trauma. These problems exacerbate the child's risk of under-performing in both academic and personal settings.

Just as children who come from homeless families are at a higher risk of developing behavioral, mental, and physical health problems than their peers, their mothers are also at a higher risk especially in developing mental illnesses. There are many things that contribute to why homeless women are at a higher rate of developing a mental illness compared to the general population, but there has been a reoccurring three among studies focused on this issue. First, there is constant violence in the home that the woman and her children which feeds into the bigger issue of single female lead households being prone to homelessness. The second reason of leaving a violent home is the experience of sexual abuse, neglection, and/or death of main household provider. And thirdly, the the reoccurring issue of mental illness or substance abuse. All these factors not only make women and their children more likely to become homeless, but also place homeless women at a higher risk of developing mental illnesses compared to women in the general population.

Katlcruz (talk) 20:26, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Potential to expand the "Criminalization" subsection
As a Wiki Education project with the Poverty, Justice, and Human Capabilities program at Rice University, I am considering the possibility of expanding the "Criminalization" subsection of this article. I would be researching more about the history and current existence of policies that criminalize the homeless, as well as working to consolidate information relevant to this topic found in different articles throughout Wikipedia. (Anti-homeless legislation, Vagrancy) Please let me know if you have any suggestions, concerns, or comments! --Marycneal (talk) 04:57, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Numbers do not add up
How can there be only 500,000 homeless in the US when a few sentences later in the introduction it is said that over 1.5 million children are homeless? This is ridiculous.

83.34.20.249 (talk) 03:04, 11 November 2018 (UTC) 11. November 2018


 * It actually says "will be homeless", so it does make sense. The issue that I see there is that it says "will be in 2009", so it's not really up to date. --Yhdwww (talk) 19:23, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

POV and neutrality issues in lead
I believe the lead section of this article is in serious need of a re-write. The tone of this section is decidedly non-neutral, and is written from the point of view that the issue of homelessness is severely worse than what official statistics indicate. Nearly every sentence is used to advance this thesis, rather than laying out the facts in an objective manner. Ostealthy (talk) 14:51, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I found myself thinking the same exact thing. Severe lack of citations as well. Chrisgthompson (talk) 23:55, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Leeds don't use in-line citations. They only summarizes the overall info from the article itself. Does the info in the body need refs? If so, insert cn-tags in the right places. RhinoMind (talk) 16:11, 13 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I don't have an opinion about the neutrality of the leed, but it sure needs a trimming. It is way to long. And, as stated in my former comment, leeds do not use in-line citations. I believe a lot of the leed could be moved to the right places in the body. RhinoMind (talk) 16:13, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Citations are provided in almost every paragraph of the lead section. Does the lead section contradict the official statistics in any way? Jarble (talk) 15:36, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I have no idea. But leed sections are just summaries of what the article says. That is the soul purpose of leeds. If something needs references, move the references to the body. Ideally, leeds should never say anything that is not elaborated on in the body. RhinoMind (talk) 18:39, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Homelessness among men
This section will be relatively short, but I don't believe this article sufficiently focuses on the discrepancy between men and women. My research shows that men experience homeless at a far higher rate than women do, yet the article seems to focus more on homelessness among women. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mclover152 (talk • contribs) 18:06, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

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Homeless children in 2009
The fourth paragraph states "In the year 2009, one out of 50 children or 1.5 million children in United States of America will be homeless each year." Since it's 2019 now, this should probably be updated. --Yhdwww (talk) 19:26, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

According to this source, UHY accounts for ~6% or 35K of the 500K+ total. I'm not sure how helpful that is since I think college students are included in UHY and I'm not positive the original source included them. --Totalart44 (talk) Totalart44 (talk) 04:23, 3 March 2021 (UTC)dont let em get you down

The Relationship of Formerly Incarcerated to Homeless/Chronically Homeless
Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia editing and could use some help. I'd like to talk more about formerly incarcerated people becoming homeless. I feel like it could fit under or near the "Homeless Veterans" category but I don't know too much about editing or even where to start my research. Could anyone assist me with that? Totalart44 (talk) 04:16, 3 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Totalart44, have you tried using Google Scholar to gather sources on that topic? I.am.a.qwerty (talk) 08:59, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

demographics need to be updated
the 2018 AHAR is available here with updated information https://www.hudexchange.info/resources/documents/2018-AHAR-Part-1.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.235.115.177 (talk) 06:57, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Be bold! We're all volunteers. SchreiberBike &#124; ⌨   23:16, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I was bold! I probably did it wrong, but if I made any mistakes now someone else will have to boldly fix them. ;) Seriously, though, these figures are two important to be stale, particularly with the reversal in the trend. Kyle Cronan (talk) 05:14, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

reliable sources, neutarlity and due weight
Should we be having as much contents as we have that is based on contents from homeless advocacy groups? I believe organizations like National Alliance to End Homelessness among others do not present the subject from neutral point of view nor are they recognized as authoritative expert. I have tagged the page for this reason nor are they recognized as authoritative expert. Graywalls (talk) 01:24, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

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Wiki Education assignment: Global Poverty and Practice
Editing causes to be a heading and adding a section on losing social ties. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Go23bears (talk • contribs) 18:55, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

PJHC Editing This Page
Hello everyone! I plan on possibly contributing to this article by adding to the Housing section in this article as there is more to be said about the rehabilitation process and efforts in the US. There is a lot of detailed information already in this article on the causes but I want to expand on the opportunities available to homeless people to transition out of homelessness, the barriers in place and the efforts being made to make the transition easier. I would begin by discussing the statistics of people that leave homelessness and use that low statistic to launch discussion about research done concerning homeless shelters vs affordable housing to rehabilitate homeless people and keep poor people close to homelessness of the street. Listing alleviators of poverty an homelessness, I will talk about the difficulties the homeless face when attempting to find finding jobs and generate income; briefly touch on the societal stigma that also poses as a barrier to the betterment of their situation. I may alter the order in which I arrange the points but I hope to address each of these things in the article. For more information on my references, please take a look at my User page and Sandbox (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EEmenike/sandbox). ~ EEmenike (talk) 04:26, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

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Great job updating this article! You did a fantastic job of adding relevant, important information to this article in a clear and well-organized way. To further strengthen this contribution, I would suggest that you add some additional content and perspectives to the Residential Rehabilitation section of the article. These changes would be an improvement because it would help to balance the section, as well as improve the neutrality of the contribution overall. This, in as well as adding some new images, are the most important things that you could do to improve this article. Once again, fantastic job, and I look forward to seeing the final product! Madison Roy (talk) 17:59, 26 October 2022 (UTC)