Talk:Homer Simpson/Archive 2

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Contradictory Comedy
I think a lotta this stuff may be fruitless. The Simpsons is full of contradictions, plotholes and bad continuity - something which is often played upon by the writers for much of the humour in the later series.

Rewrite
I am going to slowly work my way through each section and rewrite them. I will remove anything that is POV, pointless, extraenous, original research, overly trivial, uncited and generally odd. -Localzuk (talk) 19:48, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm up to the Health Issues section but am giving up for the night. I will be back tomorrow to carry on. I am hoping to get this article at least back up to Good Article status. If anyone can go through and add style references to particular episodes where needed that would help a lot.-Localzuk (talk) 23:13, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Right, I have made a lot of changes to the article. It still needs a lot more work to reduce the over-reliance on his fictional details and increase the information about his influence on society, his creation, how his voice is produced etc...-Localzuk (talk) 16:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Trivia section
I am moving the trivia section onto the talk page so that anything useful can be worked into the rest of the article. As it stands, it has very little value in the article as it is difficult to read, too long and contains a lot of pointless things. Take a look at WP:TRIVIA and WP:AVTRIV for information on how to use trivia more effectively.-Localzuk (talk) 22:42, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

 * According to Simpson and Delilah, Homer's social security number is 668-47-8008.
 * According to Blood Feud, Homer's blood type is A-positive and his earmuff size is XM.
 * According to Duffless, Homer's eye color is blueish greenish yellowish.
 * Homer appears to eat Comic Books from the Silver Age
 * Homer's age is also given as 36 years in Homer the Vigilante and Homer the Heretic.
 * In a few episodes Homer is seen playing the lottery and he always gets two liberty bells and one cherry.
 * A 55 I.Q. would serve 25 points below the border of mental retardation (which is 80, but in English law is set at 70), the Forrest Gump character portrayed by Tom Hanks had an I.Q. of 75, 20 points above Homer's. A 55 I.Q. in reality would be considered extreme mental retardation and an individual with that I.Q. would in most cases have difficulty speaking, a very short memory and find it hard to purchase everyday items and above all, would never be able to drive a car, which Homer does often. Homer's idiocy in reality would be defined by an I.Q. between 70 and 90, rather than 55.
 * Creator Matt Groening incorporates his initials (M.G.) into Homer; the "M" being the hair on the side of Homer's head and the "G" being Homer's ear.
 * According to The Dad Who Knew Too Little, Homer's e-mail address is chunkylover53@aol.com.
 * Once Homer bought a $1.00 package of Drake's Yodels instead of a lottery ticket that was $1.00 that he knew was a $500.00 winner.
 * Homer is addicted to painkillers, mentioned in Behind the Laughter.
 * Homer's favorite movie is Look Who's Oinking.
 * His favorite band is Grand Funk Railroad.
 * Also enjoys listening to The Rolling Stones, Bachman-Turner Overdrive, and Cheap Trick.
 * In a few episodes he is portrayed as a skilled guitarist.
 * Helped his softball team win the championship game by getting knocked unconscious by a pitch with the bases loaded.
 * Dreams of one day owning the Dallas Cowboys
 * Owner of the Denver Broncos
 * Has Don Ameche's Academy Award on his trophy shelf.
 * Middle name is Jay.
 * Proposed to his wife Marge with an Onion Ring.
 * Has dislikes for: New York City, Mountain Dew, President George H.W. Bush and son George W. Bush, Hippies (although he was one in one episode)
 * Once mistaken as Big Foot
 * Served in the Naval Reserve
 * Has been to: Japan (Thirty Minutes over Tokyo), Australia (Bart vs. Australia), Cuba (The Trouble with Trillions), Brazil (Blame It on Lisa), England (The Regina Monologues), Scotland (Monty Can't Buy Me Love), France (Bart-Mangled Banner), Italy (The Italian Bob), the Netherlands (Burns' Heir), China (Goo Goo Gai Pan), Canada (Midnight Rx), Sweden (Homer's Barbershop Quartet), Africa (Missionary: Impossible), India (Homer and Apu and Kiss Kiss, Bang Bangalore), and outer space (Deep Space Homer).
 * Other than being a Nuclear Power Safety Technician, he has also been: a country music manager, a clown, an astronaut, a minor league baseball mascot, a newspaper reporter, the owner of the Denver Broncos, a navel commander, a body guard, the owner of an internet providing company, a snow plow driver, an artist, a boxer, a circus freak, a server at a fast food restaurant, a grave digger, a missionary, a self-proclaimed inventor, the mayor of "New Springfield", a vigilante, the union representative of his power plant, a public safety advocate, the inventor of tomacco, a black jack dealer, the voice for an animated character, the inspiration for a bumbling policemen on a sitcom, the father figure for an orphan child named Pepe, inventor of the Flaming Homer, grand master of a secret society, a snitch, a 'Guitar Hero’, an employee of the Kwik-E-Mart, a greeter at Sprawl-Mart, and also a series of get rich quick schemes that never panned out.
 * A character named Homer Simpson appears in Nathanael West's 1939 novel "The Day of the Locust".

Homer Jobs - Should their be a list of Homer's Jobs ?

Top Ten on Late Show
Homer appeared as himself on the February 13, 2003 episode of The Late Show with David Letterman to present his Top Ten reasons as to why he was excited to be on the show. The list:

10. I'm happy to reunite with my college lover Biff Henderson. 9. Free crackers in the Green room. Mmm... Crackers. 8. I can take advantage of low, low New York prices. 7. Uh, couldn't come up with this one. 6. I love the Dancing Itos. 5. I finally get to be on a real network. 4. Your minimum guest payment is the most money I've ever seen in my life. 3. Marge always puts out on vacation. 2. I get to raid your writing staff. 1. Paul and I have the same barber. Give me my money, Letterman. I want my money.

Likes
Homer is a fan of music by Grand Funk Railroad, Steve Miller Band, The Who, Queen, possibly KISS, and The Beatles. He's also a fan of Sheriff Lobo, enjoys bowling and is also a fan of Rex Morgan, M.D.

Trivial information being added and more information required
Please can we try not to add little snippets of trivia unless it is absolutely necessary. For example, we do not need to know the name of the hair re-growth formula. If we don't keep the trivia out then the article is never going to be a good or featured article.

Also, can we try and add some more 'real world' information, such as his cultural impact, details of his creation etc...?-Localzuk(talk) 16:58, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Sexuality
The entire section on sexuality seems a little redundant. There's never really been any dispute over Homer's sexuality, so I don't see the point of listing every joy-inspired kiss and throwaway joke relating to homosexuality in the show's run.

The section claims that Homer is "severely homophobic". His predjudice has hardly been mentioned since Homer's Phobia, which is where all the evidence the section provides comes from. Since the ending to that episode centers around Homer accepting gay people, coupled with the acceptance he's shown in later episodes, I believe this is irrelevant. Shiro Sirius 21:29, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Also, is fantasizing about making out with a clone of yourself considered homosexual or just self-centered? Or masturbation? ;-) 65.95.157.80 06:32, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Its not gay its masturbation ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 12:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Removing "unsourced" template
Excuse me if I have missed out on previous discussions concerning this topic, but isn't the show itself the source for most of the statements in this article? I'm removing the "unsourced" template because of this. --Impaciente 19:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Each claim still needs a citation to their episodes. Else it is 'unreferenced'. Don't get unverifiable confused with this.-Localzuk(talk) 19:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

105 IQ
Is an IQ of 105 really that smart? I've heard that the average is either 100 or 120, which certainly doesn't seem to fit how smart he was in that episode. 65.95.157.80 06:34, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

The average IQ in any of the scales is 100. I believe they choose 105 as Homers higher intelligence just to illustrate how low it originally was. 85.225.24.12 14:46, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I think its also to show how dumb evrey one in springfeald is if he is a genus compered to them ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 18:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

mysterious tv commercial
The seen from an episode where homer becomes a limo driver, it shows lisa reading a gag newspaper & outta the blue a limo ad mystyreously apperes on the screen when the tv is supposedly off, what happened?
 * Wikipedia is not a fan site. You would be better asking that sort of question elsewhere. Thanks, Localzuk(talk) 06:38, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

A little more work needed!
The article is shaping up quite well I think, although it still needs more 'real life' information. I have now added a brief summary of the 'Dream Jobs' section - this is likely in need of some work to improve it.

The only other thing that remains, as I see it, is that we need to put down the last couple of citations to episodes that are requested.

We still need to make more an effort to split the general character traits from the individual episode bits. We also need to remove as much of the 'reading into jokes' as possible and reduce the amount of examples we use. Any ideas anyone?-Localzuk(talk) 11:33, 24 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I've removed a few episode details, including his flask hidden in the hollowed out bible, and his pie crust with cloves experiment. Raenbow

Gay episode
Which episode did Homer think Bart was gay? Homer made a friend with a homosexual, then he found out he was gay. Homer though Bart was acting gay, so he took him out and made him do manly stuff with him. -71.224.24.99 19:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

LOL I dont recall any episode like that. Although it's not beyond an animated comedy like the Simpsons. TέΉ ѕΡίɗΣR ( ŢάḶκ 21:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Forgot the name of the episode but it was an actual episode.

The Name of the Episode was Homer's Phobia

Homer's Age
The article states that Homer was 36 through seasons one through ten; I've never heard his age to be 36 in any episode, but the article mentions that it was initially 36 in DVD commentary. I've heard ages 38, 39, and in one episode, Homer was given the age 37 during a season eight episode, proving the statement of Homer being 36 for the first ten seasons wrong. Plus the article says in seasons 14-17, he was 36 again, which is also wrong. Here are episodes/sources that mention Homer's age:


 * DVD commentary- 36 years old
 * "The Homer They Fall" (Season 8)- 37 years old
 * "The Wizard of Evergreen Terrace" (Season 10)- Homer believes he 38, Marge corrects him, saying he's 39 years old
 * "We're on the Road to D'ohwhere" (Season 17)- 38 years old

16:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, there was an episode where he reminisced his time at summer camp sometime "in the late 50's, the 60s, or the early 70's,", which would place him to be somewhere in his thirties or forties. TέΉ ѕΡίɗΣR ( ŢάḶκ 21:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed! Include this info please. The info box should now read 36 - 39 (depends on episode) instead. Cheers, Localzuk(talk) 22:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I want to add that the book "The Simpsons: A complete guide to our favorite family" says he is 36 years old. --Maitch 19:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, and that book was published in 1999 - 7 years ago... Things have changed as time went by, for example when new series' come out. The age varies - why try and change it to a single year when it is obviously not a single year?-Localzuk(talk) 20:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oops, that would be the second book. The first book was published in Oct 1998 - 8 1/4 years ago...-Localzuk(talk) 20:51, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually I have nothing to do with this ongoing edit war. I justed wanted to list another source. --Maitch 20:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Listitous starting to re-grow
We appear to be suffering from a bad case of 'list-itous' or 'example-itous' - where we seem to be continually adding items to each are of the article as examples of Homer's habits, abilities etc... The main problem with this page is these lists. Most of these items do not add anything to the discussion of his character and just seem to be coming from fans who remember far too much about the episodes. Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia. This means we provide a collection of information that summarises a subject according to its important and interesting points. The key words here being 'summarise', 'important' and 'interesting'.-Localzuk(talk) 23:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Born in Canada?
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20020720/simpons_canadian_020719?s_name=&no_ads=

Quote from the article:

''In Montreal for a performance of The Simpsons - In the Flesh stage show at the Just for Laughs comedy festival, Groening noted Thursday his dad was born in Canada and Homer is named for him so. . . . ''

'' "That would make Homer Simpson a Canadian," Groening said in an interview. "I hope Canadians won't hold it against the show now that they know.''

How to Improve the Article
This article has been graded as a Top priority within the Simpsons WikiProject and has been chosen by the Article Improvement Drive in an effort to upgrade it to at least Good Status. It needs some work, some sections will have to be sourced, others will have to be cleared. So does anyone have any ideas? -- Scorpion0422 21:36, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I have proposed a reorganization on the Simpsons Featured Article Drive I would like comment on. Natalie 21:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) I've said it before, and I'll say it again - end the lists!!! If we can get past the obsession of having to give 10 examples for every minor detail of Homer's character then it should be much easier to sort out.
 * Also, the last drive said that we need less focus on the character traits and more focus on real world things (ie. more in the cultural influence section).
 * Finally, we need to analyse things from a more 'non-fiction' manner - for example, it is not enough to say that Homer is a fat lazy slob, instead we need to show the reasons why this is done etc... Relate it to the real world.
 * As it stands the article looks like a fan listing.-Localzuk(talk) 21:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I haven't taken a full look at everything yet, but most of the lists will go. Pages with a lot of lists generally don't become Good Articles. -- Scorpion0422 21:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I've been through the article twice and done major culls in the last 6 months, but the lists re-grow. I think that Natalie's ideas regarding structure are correct - I think the structure we have at the moment leads to this list problem. If we can move away from it then the problem should sort itself out really. (Much like reducing the trolling in a criticism section by merging the criticism throughout an article - if it isn't shiney, people aren't attracted to it).-Localzuk(talk) 22:08, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Very true Localzuk. But if you think Homer's lists are bad, check out Bart Simpson. Natalie 22:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The first thing I thought when I looked at that page is 'argh, my eyes!!', this was closely followed by 'it looks just like Homer Simpson's article did a year ago'. Boy does that one need work. Lets hope we get cleared up here quickly.-Localzuk(talk) 23:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Do we need a General Biography
I noticed that Homer no longer has a general biography because its been merged into various sections. He needs a short one, but how big should it be? Because it could just turn into "In [Random Episode] Homer [Did random thing]." which won't get it featured.
 * I have suggested at the project page (linked above) that we remove any one-episode information, unless it is given as a reason for a theme of Homer's personality. An example of things that would go out: all of Homer's one-episode jobs, any one-episode changes in appearance. Things that would stay in: how he apparently lost his hair (given in a flashback episode), the crayon in his brain (since this is, AFAIK, the only reason given for his wide swings in intelligence). Natalie 22:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed, all single episode info should go - as it is not relevant to 'Homer as a whole'.-Localzuk(talk) 23:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

How should we do it?
I've been looking through some pages and I've been wondering how much of the page should be dedicated to Homer in the show. Shoul we write basically a biography of Homer based on the show with some stuff on his real life impact, or should we do the reverse and focus on his real life impact?

I do think it is important to note most of whats there, but I've been looking at pages for some (liek Bugs Bunny) which focus more on Bugs Bunnys impact than anything. Of course, Bugs Bunny is far older and has gone through many more changes than Homer. -- Scorpion0422 00:22, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Cultural Influences
At prior peer reviews it was mentioned that this section needed more content. How can we increase the content (as most of the additions I made to it have now been removed)?-Localzuk(talk) 13:49, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Request for input
I posted this at the Featured Article Drive for the Simpsons WikiProjectt, but haven't gotten any comment there: I think Homer's page should completely ignore the in-show history, as this really isn't important to understanding his character, in favor of more personality traits (i.e. interaction w/ family, religion, etc). If there are no complaints in the next couple of days I will make these changes (getting the other info from the older versions of the page), so if you hate this idea, please tell me! Natalie 21:21, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

GA notes
Good article it seems, just some notes: Wiki-newbie 15:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * All cites have to be directly after sentences or punctuation.
 * Images in infobox and personality sections need fair use rationales.
 * Get rid of the Recognition heading: you don't need it.

I also just noticed the Biography section has some past tense. Please correct it to present tense. Wiki-newbie 15:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Done and done. Except for the biography note, I just went through that section and since it refers to events that happened in the past, shouldn't it be written in past tense? -- Scorpion 16:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * WP:WAF specifies that all fiction should be written in present tense. It never happened, that's why, if you catch my drift. Also, refs should go after commas. Wiki-newbie 16:31, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You mean it should be ,[ref][/ref].  ?
 * And I looked through the section and in a lot of cases, changing it to present tense would ruin the article. -- Scorpion 16:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, Fair use for young Homer please. Wiki-newbie 18:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm still having problems with the Biography. Basically, just edit the article to write stuff like Homer is born, Homer returns and so on and so forth. Wiki-newbie 19:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Good job on the bio. Last couple of things, and believe me that GA will lie on your talk page. Could you cite the episode about Maggie's birth, and the DVD commentary about his age? Also, put a note down about the show's floating timeline, so a Simpsons newbie won't think the show is always set in the early 1990s. Wiki-newbie 19:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Done and done. -- Scorpion 20:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Why is the citation note in the section heading? The superscript doesn't show up in the TOC, so it seems to read "Biography1", which seems odd. Can this citation be moved to the end of the section or is there some precedent/policy I'm not aware of? Natalie 20:50, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't know where else to put it, but the floating timeline should be noted somewhere. GO ahead and move it. -- Scorpion 20:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree it should be noted. I'm going to put it in italics as the first sentence. Natalie 20:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I see you have already moved it. Works for me. Natalie 20:57, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

GA awarded
Well done. First GA for a Simpsons character, now let's see what we (I may have a go) can do for the other members of the family. Wiki-newbie 20:09, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * As Homer would say, Woo-hoo! Natalie 20:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It still has a long way to go before its FA quality, but its a good start. For the time being, I think the focus is going to shift to Bart and try to get him to GA status. Good job to everyone who contributed! -- Scorpion 20:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Location
Is there any information on his location? I mean like he lives at 742 Evergreen Terrace and his phone number is (636) 555-0113 (as proved in A Tale of Two Springfields, but was for that episode 939 instead of 636). Cipher (Yell) 18:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * As you said, he does live at 742 Evergreen Terrace but in a few other episodes you are told that they live at different addresses. For example, on New Kid On The Block Bart prank calls Moe Szyslak to get revenge on Jimbo Jones for dating Laura Powers. Bart says his name is Jimbo Jones and he lives at 1092 Evergreen Terrace. Fr4zer 12:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Category overkill
Most of these are one-episode situations. Does anyone object to my deleting the rest? / edgarde 19:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Category:Computer and video game characters keep edgarde
 * Category:Fictional agents
 * Category:Fictional alcoholics keep edgarde
 * Category:Fictional Americans keep edgarde
 * Category:Fictional astronauts
 * Category:Fictional bodyguards
 * Category:Fictional bowlers Keep Scorpion, weak keep edgarde
 * Category:Fictional boxers
 * Category:Fictional celebrities
 * Category:Fictional characters with mental illness
 * Category:Fictional chauffeurs
 * Category:Fictional Christians weak keep edgarde
 * Category:Fictional clowns
 * Category:Fictional farmers
 * Category:Fictional golfers Keep Scorpion
 * Category:Fictional inventors
 * Category:Fictional musicians Keep Scorpion
 * Category:Fictional police officers
 * Category:Fictional prisoners Keep Scorpion
 * Category:Fictional Protestants weak keep edgarde
 * Category:Fictional sailors
 * Category:Fictional soldiers
 * Category:Fictional time travelers Keep Scorpion
 * Category:Fictional vigilantes
 * Category:Fictional writers Keep Scorpion
 * Category:The Simpsons characters keep edgarde
 * Keep the ones you & I mentioned and dump the rest, but random people keep adding them, so many will be back. -- Scorpion 19:39, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't fictional Protestants and fictional Christians kind of overlap? I'd say just fictional Protestants. And Scorpion is right that the article needs frequent policing to keep people from adding a bunch of unimportant junk, including categories. Natalie 22:14, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * They overlap a little, but i don't see the importance of keeping them. He converted to catholic and made his own religion in some episodes. and also, when was Homer a soldier? The time traveller one is also pretty weak since he only went back in time once or twice. --Kzrulzuall 09:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * He's technically been in the army/navy three times, and we should list him as a Christian but perhaps Protestants could go. -- Scorpion 13:33, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Simpsons Walk Of Fame Star
I was just thinking that surely the Simpsons Walk Of Fame Star should be put on the page about about the show, The Simpsons, and not the Homer Simpson page as this Walk Of Fame Star is for the show and not the character. Fr4zer 12:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Page protection
Childish amounts of spam appear on this page quite regulary, i suggest that this page should be rewritten and potected


 * I assume you mean vandalism, but I still don't think it's quite at the level of protection yet. Admins tend to be wary about protecting pages. Natalie 14:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

== Is Homer Jay Simpson characterized by being often ill-tempered, in particular in his role as father and husband? ==

The present article states that "Homer's personality is one of frequent stupidity, laziness and explosive anger". An expression of the latter personality trait towards his son is even illustrated there as

Homer is therefore an example of an ill-tempered individual - he should be explicitly so called and linked.

Further, the present article characterizes Homer initially and generally already as "crude, overweight, intolerant, inept", and then refers to Homer specificly in his role as husband and father again and redundantly as "often inept".

Consequently, I'm going replace the second, redundant instance of "often inept" with the more specific "often ill-tempered". Frank W ~@) R 21:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * so? -- Scorpion 21:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That link doesn't actually link to any specific info about 'ill-temper' it links to a non-existent subsection of a disambiguation page... What is the point of linking to there?-Localzuk(talk) 21:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Your edit contains a wikilink with extraneous text (much like the extraneous text contained in the broken links in your above comment), which is a great reason to revert it.

Although often ill-tempered
 * A redirect to Anger might be okay, but IMO it was fine or better before, and I have no problem if someone else reverts it to "often inept". Please fix whatever it is that inserts nonsense in your edits. / edgarde 21:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Is this all this discussion is about? The use of the word "inept"? A redirect to the word anger would be ok but ill-tempered is just too much..

Actually, if u read it properly, ill tempered doesn't fit with the text. It seems really awkward.  Although often "ill-tempered", he is a caring and devoted husband and father and has come to be known as a lovable oaf. His neglect towards his family should be laziness not his temper problem. As said in the article, his temper is usually caused by somethin and is unintentional, except in some circumstances. His ineptness is usually towards his disbelief of duty and work. -- |K.Z|Z.K|   Do not vandalize...  05:14, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * However, don't forget the meaning of "Kwyjibo" where Marge adds "and a short temper." --The preceding comment was signed by Us  e  r:Sp3000  (talk•contribs) 05:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * But kwyjibo in the context has nothin to do with his ineptness towards handling family tasks. The kwyjibo, in the context, means he is very short tempered. Anger and inept is two different things. When ur inept, u are either unable to do somethin, don't know how to do somethin or can't be bothered to do somethin; which is when laziness comes in. Im sure, and it has been mentioned quite a few times in the many series', that if homer tries to do somethin for his family, he will succeed. I make this clear: his ineptness has nothing to do with anger Short temper might come in when "inept" is first mentioned, but not the second time. -- |K.Z|Z.K|    Do not vandalize...  08:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Overall, to answer this question I'd say his stupidity caused by that crayon. --The preceding comment was signed by Us  e  r:Sp3000  (talk•contribs) 02:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Stupidity? i thought we were talkin about the use of the word "inept"? -- |K.Z|Z.K|   Do not vandalize...  02:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Homer the Greek?
In the episode I Am Furious Yellow, Homer states 'I'm simply passionate, like all Greeks!' Is this just a throw away gag, or should it be mentioned in the page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wikiwarlock (talk • contribs) 22:07, 21 January 2007 (UTC).


 * There is no other episode to support this theory, so i'll say that its either a one-time thing or one of the stupid things that homer says. Most one time things aren't worth mentionin in this article -- |K.Z|Z.K|    Do not vandalize...  05:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Images
There's too less images for this article, suggest we get more images that shows homer doin different  things, such as being anry at Flanders, sleepin at work, etc. -- |K.Z|Z.K|     Do not vandalize...  05:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * There's enough images, this is an encyclopedia, not an art gallery. --The preceding comment was signed by Us  e  r:Sp3000  (talk•contribs) 05:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It would also be hard to justify such images under fair use. We have a good balance at the moment.-Localzuk(talk) 07:41, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Many freely-licensed images available here.

Can be used to show the cultural effect of homer as well as heavy marketing for homer (and the simpsons). W3stfa11/Talk to me 03:43, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Omar Shamsoon
In The Arabic Versions Of The Simpsons. Homer's Name Is Omar Shamsoon. As Both Bacon And Alcohol Are Forbidden In Islam, Beer Is Replaced With Soda, Hot Dog's Are Replaced With BBQ'd Egyptian Beef Sausages. Also Homer Hanging At The Bar With Alcho's And Lowlife's Have Been Completely Cut Out.(Id Rather Be Hated For Who I Am, Than Loved For Who I Am Not 12:36, 11 February 2007 (UTC))

Spoiler Tags?
I would consider homers full middle name to be a spoiler, and possibly other elements of the article. Should this article be tagged as containing such? --Nog lorp 05:52, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Fictional Catholics
I see a category below "Fictional Catholics"; isn't Homer a "Fictional Protestants" ? --Göran Smith 19:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * For the most part, yes, and specifically a Presbolutheran (as stated in the Movementarian episode). But there was also a more recent episode in which Homer and Bart converted to Catholicism. I don't remember if the status quo was restored at the end of that episode. Robert Happelberg 20:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I didn't watch that episode. I think then, we should have both of these categories in the article. --Göran Smith 20:32, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I just remembered that Liam Neeson played the priest in that episode. A little digging gave me the episode's title: "The Father, the Son, and the Holy Guest Star". Robert Happelberg 22:32, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

In most episodes, permanent changes to character and situation are rare. Since Homer didn't actually convert to Catholicism in the episode (ie no Baptism or RCIA) and since (to my knowledge) he hasn't been depicted attending Catholic services in later shows, I don't think he or Bart should be in this category. --Wgbc2032 23:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Philosopher of the Century / Philosophy
Hello, I believed Homer had won the prize 'Philosopher of the Century'. Whether this is true or not doesn't matter, but in this article, nothing is said about Homer's philosophical views. I hope this will change soon, --LAUBO 15:49, 17 March 2007 (UTC),
 * I think it was "Philosopher of the Year" and it should be mentioned. --Maitch 16:01, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It was mentioned, but there was no source so I removed it. -- Scorpion 17:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It was "Philosopher of the decade" and here is the source source. --Maitch 18:23, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I just made some (hopefully) improvements to the Biography page, mainly just things to smooth out the flow. Hope you're all OK with that. Rumiton 15:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

'Footsoldiers' comic connection?
agent simpsons - aka 'nuke' supposedly killed by daredevil & captain america - it's interesting looking at comics for truth ;) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.111.56.41 (talk) 23:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

Space
How come there's nothing about him being an astronaut?
 * Because it is a minor detail - ie. trivia. If we included every single thing he has taken part in, the article would be a huge mess and would not be worthy of being on this site. This is not a fansite, it is an encyclopedia.-Localzuk(talk) 14:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Where he's from
We have a rather silly discussion about where he is from in the article at the moment. As his place of birth is only mentioned briefly in a couple of episodes, we can't really focus on this. Should this be in the article in as much detail as it is? Or should it be reduced to 'Homer's place of birth varies depending on which episode it is discussed in.'? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Localzuk (talk • contribs) 14:43, 14 April 2007 (UTC).

Super Smash Bros. fighter?
Why is that category there? Homer isn't in any of the Smash Bros games.
 * Its most likely vandilism, if its still there, I'll remove it. Gran2 18:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Jay and image
Why are people reverting the fact that Homer's middle name is Jay? D'oh-in in the Wind confirms it to be Jay. And also the whole point off using the offcial artwork is because it is easily the best image avaliable. Gran2 18:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * As both Scorpion and 98E are about to break the 3RR, I suggest you just leave both images on for now. Gran2 21:13, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

This is ridiculous
How come Homer and Bart's articles have to be so much shorter than the other Simpson characters!? Marge, Lisa and even suporting characters like Mr.Burns and Ned Flanders have MUCH longer pages than them, evn though they are the MAIN characters! Homer's article especially needs to be longer. He has the shortest article of all Simpson family member except for Maggie, even though he appears most in the series! both homer and bart once HAD good, informative articles, but around last december someone shortend them to a ridiculous degree. I just tried to restore some of that information but someone erased it. And maybe their former articles (atleast Homers) was a bit TO long. But still, Homer having an article about half the lenght of Lisas is unaceptable!90.224.189.88 21:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Length is not necessarily a good thing. Homer and Bart's articles are good. We don't need an obsessive about of crud, describing every single in universe thing in their lives. It needs to be written in an out of universe perspective, with only some in universe stuff. All of the other pages will be done eventually. Articles being "shorter" is not unacceptable. Quantity doesn't mean quality. Gran2 21:50, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * And don't worry, we'll get to shortening the Lisa page eventually. -- Scorpion0422 21:55, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, i supose if all the other Simpson characters gets more compact articles like Homer's to, then its OK. But right now, with Marge having mountains of information on her age, hair, polictical veiws ect ect, and Homer having about a third as much information, it just seems really disproportionate...90.224.189.88 22:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I concur with Gran2. Many character articles for popular TV shows are packed with fancruft. The main reason not to go to war on these things is such articles are popular with new editors still gaining skills. But really, the more pointless trivia added, the less readable (and less useful) these articles become, so occasional pruning is necessary.
 * 90.224.189.88, you might wanna take a bang at shortening Marge Simpson, per WP:HTRIVIA, Manual of Style (writing about fiction) and maybe WP:EPISODE. I'd recommend registering a userID first so that you are not mistaken for a vandal. / edgarde 22:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Age?
I know that this has been gone over many times before, but how can Homer be 35+? If he was 16 or so when Marge became pregnant, and Bart is supposed to be around ten, then shouldn't his age instead be in the range of 26+? YankeeDoodle14 20:40, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * We just go by what the show says... Anything else is conjecture and WP:OR.-Localzuk(talk) 20:42, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Age reference
Reference 21, which states "Mentioned in several DVD commentaries in the seventh and eighth seasons." is quite weak and should be replace with a specific one. I watched the "Mother Simpson" commentary track, but it wasn't mentioned there. --Maitch 10:50, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No I think it's fine. being to specific is pointless.

borderline alcoholic?
Borderline? Really? I thought he was full blown...

This is Wikipedia, we need reliable references. Only a qualified doctor can properly diagnose alcoholism. :-) Rumiton 08:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Homer's Voice
"Homer's voice sounds different on the shorts..." This is interesting. Why is it so? Let's expand/explain. Rumiton 10:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Homer's Middle Name
On the May 18, 2007 episode of The Late Show with David Letterman, Homer Simpson read a top 10 list of reasons why he should be the next (U.S.) President. The number 3 reason was "MY MIDDLE NAME ISN'T HUSSEIN...ANYMORE".

(This of course refers to the popular 2008 U.S. Presidential candidate, Barack Obama and his politically unfortunate middle name, Hussein.)

The question is, does this constitute a canonical character fact within the Simpsonverse; to wit, that Homer's middle name used to be Hussein?

And if yes, then should the article should be editted to reflect this newly revealed fact?

72.82.181.60 07:01, 3 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Personally, I don't think it should be considered canonical. My reasons are: it was not in the show itself, and the joke, it seems, was more centered on making fun of Obama's middle name. I believe the skit wasn't to be centered on the show, but more centered on the upcoming elections and all of the happening surrounding it. -- Will Mak  050389  16:04, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree. This remark reveals another Homer talent not otherwhere recognised -- a keen sense of political humor! Rumiton 16:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Jerkass Homer?
Couldn't we include more information about how Homie's character has changed over time, for example the "Jerkass Homer" phase which Homer and Ned's Hail Mary Pass says occurred throughout seasons 9-12?Yipely 05:31, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Day of the Locusts?
Is there any relationship between this Homer and the Homer Simpson of Day of the Locusts? Obviously, West wasn't inspired by the comic, but was the comic inspired by West? The article on Day of the Locusts (book) seems to think so. Tommy.rousse 03:39, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

D'oh
I think we should merge D'oh into this article because for one, the subject is based around him anyway, and for two. The article lacks quality, and of course referencing. The sunder king 13:16, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge. An edited version of the D'oh article would add quality to this article since it's a good example of the cultural significance of this character. It doesn't seem sufficient to stand on its own. / edg ☺ ★ 05:25, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't merge for a couple reasons: (1) This article "D'oh" is very long and probably should be its own article; and (2) "Homer Simpson" is currently a FAC and the "D'oh" article is in a shambles, which would seriously jeopardize the FA promotion of "Homer Simpson." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Esprit15d (talk • contribs) 12:44, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The entire article length of D'oh would not be shoehorned into Homer Simpson. The point is to discard what can't be included in a quality article. / edg ☺ ★ 19:23, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't Merge If this word has entered the lexicon to the point that it is in the Oxford English Dictionary it definitely needs an article all on its own. This is a word that exists outside of Homer Simpson. It's used worldwide, in newspapers and magazines and books. It has become an idea, something all on it's own. The word d'ohh may have been popularized by Homer Simpson, but it exists outside of him now. When Matt Groening is dead and buried and The Simpsons is nothing but a memory, the word d'ohh will still exist. He may have been the character that popularized the phrase, but there is no way he can contain it's influence. DO NOT MERGE!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.223.169.107 (talk) 22:58, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No, having an entry in the Oxford English Dictionary does not by itself (as you say, "definitely") merit an article on Wikipedia. Caps and exclamation points notwithstanding, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Wiktionary is the place for this. / edg ☺ ★ 23:51, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't Merge Merge While I do agree that having an entry does not mean that it means it's a keeper however it seems to have enough real-world information here. (Though I do agree quite a lot about the usage in the cartoon itself; this page may need trimming.)
 * Or am I misunderstanding that we're not merging the entire article into Homer Simpson? If it's just going to get trimmed and kept like I said, then I'm all for it. -WarthogDemon 23:24, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It is just a trimming merge. The sunder king 12:42, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Trimming sounds good to me. I'm in support. -WarthogDemon 04:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't merge. The word has taken on a life of its own beyond Homer Simpson. There has been significant news coverage of its inclusion in the OED which makes it notable in its own right. Dbromage  [Talk]  00:06, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The news media coverage exists due to The Simpsons interest, not from general interest in neologism. As stated earlier, WP:DICDEF. edg ☺ ★ 00:43, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

The French paper
Who cares? --203.117.92.2 07:09, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Lists of best so and so
The Cultural influence section begins with a list of various magazines that list Homer as xth best something-or-other. I'm removing these because: These lists are mostly filler articles, and cannot be relied upon to provide authoritative opinions. There may be exceptions, but TV Guide is probably not one of them. Anyway, presented in this article, all they say is Homer is great, and here's the proof &mdash; it's not meaningful content for this article. / edg ☺ ★ 17:50, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) These recognitions do not meaningfully demonstrate cultural influence.
 * 2) These recognitions just aren't that significant. Dozens (if not hundreds) of such lists can be found in various online and print publications.
 * I disagree, they show the characters popularity. And the Winnipeg thing is something that should be in the article. The 4 Simpsons episode FAs, as well as the main Simpsons article include various best of lists. -- Scorpion0422 17:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I did not delete the Winnipeg thing. Check the history on that. I moved it down in sequence because the book seemed more credible to lead the section.


 * As for the FA articles, this does not refute what I said above. My apologies to whomever added this info, but the Bravo Top Anything list from 1991 is entirely trivia, and doesn't belong in this article. The Cultural Influence section is much better without depending on such lists. / edg ☺ ★ 18:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Which list is that Bravo one? And there isn't much of a section as it is, and it needs expanding. -- Scorpion0422 18:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Appending trivial filler material is not expanding. And it's not a strategy to get this article its FA status, or make the article more interesting. / edg ☺ ★ 18:11, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I really consider the section more readable and less junk-filled like this. I realize some editors want the Top X awards included to document the character's "popularity" (WP:OR, since these lists aren't clear indicators of such), but I don't think a strong case can be made to favor the current version. / edg ☺ ★ 18:18, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the various lists count as Reliable sources and should be included. If it was some Top 10 list made by a blogger, then sure, but I think the lists are big enough. -- Scorpion0422 18:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I think I've given reasons why they are not and should not. What does "big enough" mean? / edg ☺ ★ 18:34, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If this were an article about a real life person, then 'top X' awards would most definitely be included - as they are an important cultural reference to that person, and an indication as to the notability and popularity of that person. For example, there are many articles, such as Angelina Jolie which have entire sections dedicated to the media presence of that person. Removing them from this article is a bad idea.-Localzuk(talk) 15:50, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Other links
Please, can I put this link? [. It´s Homer simpson´s Web —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by 85.251.12.72 (talk) 20:09, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

New category
How about "Characters introduced in 1987"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.62.211 (talk) 22:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

== Re: lack of compunction towards mis treatment of bart ==

I am responding to this portion of the article: "...is easily enraged by Bart and strangles him frequently. He shows no compunction about this, and does not attempt to hide his actions from people outside the family.." I don't really disagree with this part of the article but merely wish to point out in certain situations Homer may actually care about how his "corporal punishment" is seen by others. One example is in Episode 22, Season 9: Trash of the Titans (taken from SNPP capsule):

'''Act two. Homer drives his car through the city, while Bart addresses the passerby through a speaker on the roof of the car.'''

Bart: [over PA] Hey, everybody, vote for my Dad, Homer Simpson. If you don't, he'll beat us.

Homer: [over PA] Why you little... er... no one's gonna beat you, son.

[quieter, but still over PA] You're gonna get such a beating!

-- Where did it go wrong? "Trash of the Titans"

It would seem that Homer superficially cares because he doesn't want to hinder his chances of getting elected into office. This seems to acknowledge Homer has some conception that strangling your son might not be looked favorably on by fellow towns-people. It also shows that in the end his stupidity gets the best of him because he unwittingly whispers into the bullhorn/PA "You're gonna get such a beating!" Make of this what you will : ) 69.143.243.174 07:09, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Appearance on currency
Within the first week in August, a counterfeiter has planted an 1 euro coin in Spain. It was discovered by candy shop operator, Jose Martinez. Instead of bearing the image of Spanish King Juan Carlos, it shows the image of Homer Simpson. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.203.9.198 (talk) 02:37, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Career
In all seriousness; there is definate merit to at least a passing mention to his numerous careers. The fact the article does not even say words to the effect of "the series frequently makes use of a gage whereby Homer changes assumes a new career" is not a good thing Rotovia (talk) 09:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Last episode.
In the last episode, it is shown that Homer is 36 and that he shared his first kiss with Apu. Should this be included in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabriel Surette (talk • contribs) 16:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I've not seen the ep in question, but first kiss is too trivial and episode-based to include. Age might be worth notice in biography, where the last paragraph covers his age &mdash; 36 in a 2007 episode may contradict other statements in that paragraph. / edg ☺ ☭ 16:14, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * they have listed many ages, and Bart was the one that made Homer think his first kiss was with Apu...neither are worth noting  C t j f 8 3  talk 18:17, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Bart made him think his first kiss was with Apu.It really was Marge —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.183.25.178 (talk) 04:59, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Homer´s akas
Maybe Homer´s Bio should include his eventual name changes thru the years (Max Power, Homer Thompson, Hercules Rockefeller, etc!)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.75.105.41 (talk) 06:20, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think so, as it would be trivial crud that doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. Gran2 06:23, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Middle Name
Whenever they say his middle name, Im pretty sure they mean J., which could stand for something like john or joseph, rather than jay. are there a few sources that say jay? 99.234.164.101 00:36, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
 * His middle name is revealed in the episode D'oh-in in the Wind, it aired in season 10. -- Scorpion0422 01:48, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

homers heritage
in the simpsons family album the simpsons family tree shows that homers heritage is Native American and french —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.80.124.17 (talk) 23:10, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not canon, and even if it was mentioned in the series, it really wouldn't be too notable. -- Scorpion0422 23:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, Native American is technically canon according that episode where Lisa pretends to be in the "Hitachi" tribe (Homer suddenly remembers he DOES have Indian blood at the end of the episode).—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 23:45, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * White Americans enjoy pretending to have Native American heritage, even if they have none. It is a notable manifestation of white guilt. --Humanophage (talk) 16:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Profile table
Okay, now the table's screwed up. I suck at making tables on the web, so can anyone fix this? GGHammy 09:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Homer's weight.
In the latest episode (November 11th), his weight is revealed as being 241, should this be included in Homer's physical information (along with age, name, etc)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.5.200.68 (talk) 20:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No, several weight have been mentioned  C t j f 8 3  talk 18:17, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Useful quote
For a comparison between Homer and Peter Griffin if I decide to add one:
 * Peter Griffin, the overweight, often drunk New Englander with the intelligence of Homer Simpson but none of his witless charm
 * To me, Peter is much more similar to Ralph Kramden than he is to Homer, right down to his voice - Seth MacFarlane

-- Scorpion0422 19:52, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Originally Homer was "very angry", the original idea was that it was Homer (the oppressive dad) vs. Bart, but this was toned down when they started exploring his character (Groening, Marge on the Lam) -- Scorpion0422 03:55, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
The link to "The 50 Greatest TV Icons" (a reference note from the "Reception" sub section) appears to be vandalized at some point in the past. Someone should fix it. SevenMass (talk) 20:46, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * - OK THX Scorpion0422 for fixing it. http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20152957_20152958_20159773_41,00.html SevenMass (talk) 23:23, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

GA Sweeps (on hold)
Per a special request, I've reviewed this article for the process of GA Sweeps. Here are some of the concerns that need to be addressed if this is to remain a Good Article:


 * 1) "Homer's age was initially 34 but, as the writers aged, they found that he seemed a bit older too, so they changed his age to 38; this is contradicted by The Homer Book which states Homer is currently 36." (Biography) This all needs citing, especially since some of it ("as the writers aged, they found that he seemed a bit older too") sounds like original research without a citation. ✅
 * 2) "His age has generally been stated as being between 34 and 40." (Biography) Sounds like original research without a citation, or at least more explanation. ✅
 * 3) There is no fair use ratione for Image:Mothersimpson.PNG to be used in the article Homer Simpson (just two other articles) ✅
 * 4) "Homer has stolen golf balls from the local driving range, cable television, office supplies and computers from work, and beer mugs from Moe's Tavern.[12] Also, while 'working the night shift' with the rest of the employees at a "Sprawl-Mart" he made off with a number of plasma screen TVs on a forklift, while at the same time breaking out of the store." (Personality) This paragraph seems like random trivia to me; it needs to connect better with the rest of the section or be removed. ✅
 * 5) The "Non-English sections" is either incomplete, or should be renamed, as it only discusses the version adapted for the Arabic speaking world. It disrupts the flow of the prose as well. ✅
 * 6) "Cultural references" needs to be rewritten so that it flows properly. Right now, it's just a collection of loosely associated facts crammed together under one heading. Similarly, "Home Simpson Syndrome" is too small and insignificant in its current state to merit its own Level 3 Heading, and should probably be merged with "Cultural references" ✅
 * 7) The lead needs to conform to WP:LEAD. It must adequately summarize all the major points/headings made in the article (as a rough guideline, every Level 2 or 3 header should have at least one sentence about it in the lead) and should not introduce any facts that are not present in the body of the article, such as the fact that "Homer embodies several American working class stereotypes" or Castellaneta's quote. ✅

Per the GA Sweeps guidelines, the article will be delisted if the concerns are not addressed within seven days. Thank you for your work thus far. Cheers, CP 21:23, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review. I'll do what I can. Just a small note about #5, I'm currently expanding the article and I really wanted to include a "Non-English versions" section. For now I'll move it to cultural influence, but the section will be expanded and readded eventually when I have more time to find more sources. -- Scorpion0422 22:51, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Cheers, CP 17:10, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe I have fixed everything. Is there anything else? -- Scorpion0422 01:53, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks great. Definitely retaining its GA status. Cheers, CP 02:33, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

new episode
THe new episode That 90's Show puts a preverbial wrench in a steady timeline the biography needs to be rewrittenMarioman12 (talk) 03:37, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * If the biography needs to be significantly rewritten after a single episode, it has problems per WP:WAF. / edg ☺ ☭ 05:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, you're both right. That episode has totally destroyed the timeline set by the previous flashback episodes, so it looks like it may have to be removed. -- Scorpion0422 13:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Out of curiousity, why does the article mention nothing about Sadgasm or the B-Sharpes? Surely Homers musical pursuits should be mentioned? Jay794 (talk) 22:03, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Because they both contradict eachother. "Homer became a grunge pioneer in the 90s with Sadgasm, then after Bart and Lisa were born, formed a Barbershop Quartet called The Be Sharps in the 80s." Besides, we're trying to avoid getting into too many specifics with the biography. Although to be honest, I am contemplating merging the bio and personality sections. -- Scorpion0422 22:09, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Homer's ATM
Hi! I suggest a following addition to the article about Homer Simpsons. Unfortunately, I don't know how to format it properly. If anybody wants and can, please do it for me! "Homer's ATM card number is 3144." Here's where I've got it from: "Simpsons Comics Belly Buster, First Edition, ISBN 0-06-058750-4, Publisher: Matt Groening. Page 115."
 * WP:FOOT has instructions for how to make footnotes using  tags, and Cite book would be a good template for that source information. However, Homer's ATM card number is just too trivial to include here. If we started including details of that nature, this article would go on for miles and become unreadable; information like this usually gets deleted immediately. / edg ☺ ☭ 05:03, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Why was I reverted?
An IQ of 55 is mentally retarded! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.184.40.212 (talk • contribs)
 * It's a fricking cartoon, and we know Homer is dumb. Alientraveller (talk) 14:44, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

picture
can't we get a better picture than that horrible Simpsons Movie promo? doesnt seem very reflective of the character, particularly with the donut Artrush (talk) 13:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * A better picture of what? The Cern Abbas giant Homer? Gran2 14:08, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Homer loves his donuts. Alientraveller (talk) 14:43, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If you can find a better FREE image, then by all means please add it. -- Scorpion0422 15:47, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Merge from D'oh!
I think the article could easily be merged here. Most of the relevant real world info is already here, and the rest is just overdetailing of uses in episodes and a listing of various titles with d'oh in them. -- Scorpion0422 00:43, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose The usage of "D'oh" has grown beyond simply Homer Simpson, and merging it into his article would nullify its real world significance.  I fear that once merged it would be ruthlessly eviscerated to not more than a mere mention as part of Homer's personality.  --Captain Infinity (talk) 04:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose While I see where Scorpion0422 is coming from, I find myself agreeing with Captain Infinity that the word has grown beyond being a mere catchphrase and is notable in and of itself, independent of Homer. faithless   (speak)  07:32, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose as per Captain infinity. I too see Scorpions point but the usage of the word has indeed grown beyond Homer and is in a way an independent word these days.  .: Alex  :.  12:18, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Support Most of the information on the article on "D'oh" contains fancruft and it being summarized down to what's encyclopaedic is small enough to be a section on another article. Martarius (talk) 15:26, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose Per Captain Infinity. The word no longer revolves just around Homer Simpson, it's become part of pop culture. DiverseMentality   (Talk)   (Contribs)  01:47, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose I just skipped through "What links here" and thought of all of those legacy links suddenly being redirected into a subsection of an article about a fictional cartoon character … a little Too Much information … "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" … Happy Editing! &mdash;  05:36, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you mean all of the links from user pages? That's because this template (which is quite common) links to the word. -- Scorpion0422 15:32, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Same reasons as Captain Infinity - Wikigi | talk to me | 07:36, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oppose- per the others. The word has transcended Homer and the Simpsons. Rhino131 (talk) 00:14, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Merge from List of Homer Simpson's jobs
With 7 support votes and 3 oppose the result was to merge the list into Homer Simpson. --Maitch (talk) 15:10, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

This article survived an afd with no consensus, so I decided to try a merge proposal. I think all of the relevant information could easily be merged into a small section or paragraph. Some of the jobs are already mentioned here and I think we can easily condense the most notable ones into a workable section. -- Scorpion0422 15:34, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak Oppose - I don't know, man... that's an awfully long list, and is pretty well cited... it's also somewhat entertaining to see all his different jobs. Another option would be to make a short(er) entry on Homer Simpson, something along the lines of "While his normal job is at SNPP, he has held many others." - Adolphus79 (talk) 15:42, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It actually isn't well cited. Two of the articles just mention he has had many jobs, the other just lists 10. -- Scorpion0422 15:46, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Support - The 'list of Homer's jobs' article is filled with fancruft. Martarius (talk) 15:54, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Support - It's definitely relevant enough to have a mention in this article, but there is certainly no reason for the topic to be separate or have a trivial list. TTN (talk) 16:23, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Support - per all of the delete arguments set out in the AFD. Gran2 16:26, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Support - per all of the delete arguments set out in the AFD. --Maitch (talk) 20:41, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Support a merge per my arguments in the AfD - it's mostly fancruft/listcruft that doesn't help to understand his character. – sgeureka t•c 14:29, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose Homer getting a different job is a major recurring theme of the show in its own right apart from the development of Homer's character. The list is not an arbitrary collection of information for the sake of collection (a "cruft") but illustrates an underlying theme of the show which has been talked about in multiple reliable third-party sources.  To merge the list into this article would imply that "Homer's Jobs" is just part of who Homer is, and not properly show that it is a major vehicle of story telling in the show.  Jon513 (talk) 23:09, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Correction, it's been mentioned in multiple sources, not discussed. "Homer's Jobs" is not that important of an aspect of the show as you claim it is. Other important Simpsons things are detailed just fine in their articles, and I think we can do the same here without the 20 K list. It can be mentioned that he has had many different jobs, there is no need to list hundreds of examples. -- Scorpion0422 23:29, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Oppose per Jon513. What is it with the need to merge perfectly fine articles into Homer's article, Scorpion?  But I agree with you that Bart's pranks and Troy McClure's movies should have their own articles.  I'll do some research and start creating them later this week. --Captain Infinity (talk) 00:48, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * First of all, I never said they needed articles. I used them as examples of things that don't have articles and are detailed perfectly fine at their main articles. A list of Troy's movies has already been deleted and a list of Bart's prank calls has also been deleted once. Wait until the end of this merge discussion before creating any similar articles. -- Scorpion0422 00:54, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

For those that think you can't summarize the article into a small paragraph, I have done a sample:
 * Homer has had many different jobs, over 188 in the first 400 episodes. His default job is the Nuclear Safety Inspector at Springfield Nuclear Power Plant, which he has had since "Homer's Odyssey", the third episode of the series. Matt Groening decided to have Homer work at the power plant because he liked the idea of Homer working at a place that could potentially cause a lot of damage. The rest his jobs have been one-episode jobs. In the first half of the series, the writers would have an explanation for how he got fired from the plant and how he got re-hired in every episode. However, in recent episodes he will often start a new job on impulse without any mention of his job.

Anyone can make any changes they feel are necessary. I decided against mentioning any specific examples, because that opens a door you don't want opened (IPs will add their favourite ones to the list, and eventually you have a paragraph dominated by examples. I included a link to the Simpsons wiki, where such a list belongs. -- Scorpion0422 01:18, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Then you're not talking about a merge at all. You're talking about a complete deletion, and then merely referencing the fact of his numerous jobs in a single, vague paragraph.  Why not just propose another AFD? --Captain Infinity (talk) 01:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's hardly vague, it gives more information than the lead of the job article. It's a merger of all of the sourced relevant content, and since there is little sourced content in that article, there is no need for a huge list. -- Scorpion0422 01:34, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that the paragraph is fine and should be added to this article, but that has nothing to do with the list of jobs which should be kept. It is a far stretch of the imagination to say that is "merging". What you are proposing is deleting.  It seems to me that this whole merger idea is a way of creating a false consensus to delete after three failed AFDs.  Jon513 (talk) 09:16, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Let us not forget that the AFD didn't result in keep, but rather in no consensus. This is an alternative to just plain deleting it and it is a valid proposal. --Maitch (talk) 09:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment - I'm sorry, but why exactly do people think this is notable? Just because it's a vaugely recurring theme within The Simpsons doesn't make it notable. I mean, death is a recurring theme in Lost and Star Wars and Harry Potter, but just because they are notable productions, does not mean a trivial list about something related to that topic is automatically notable. I'm sorry, but although interesting to a fan, on it's own this list is not notable in the real word (certainly not like a few of the other hallmarks). This is not information that should be included on an encyclopedia, but one specifically dedicated to The Simpsons. Gran2 07:11, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong Support Support Absolutely. It seems that a lot of people are overlooking the key component to what makes a fictional topic notable; that is, said topic needs to be important in a real world context, independent of the work of fiction itself. Homer Simpson certainly meets that criteria, as he's become one of the most popular, longest-enduring and most discussed fictional characters of all time. A list of his jobs, on the other hand, has absolutely no relevance outside of The Simpsons. faithless   (speak)  18:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You are mistaken. An article on fiction must be presented from a real world perceptive and not from an in-world perceptive.  Any any impact on the real world is presented, just as any reviews, and information about sales and anything thing else "real".  But this does not mean that any article on a work of fiction that lacks a direct effect on the real world is non-notable.    The "key component" of what makes a fictional topic notable, is the same as what makes any topic notable - multiple third party sources, which I believe this topic has.  Jon513 (talk) 19:11, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not mistaken. You are absolutely correct - to be notable a topic must have multiple third-party sources. But it would be quite impossible for a topic with no real-world importance to satisfy this criterion. Indeed, that's what is meant by real-world importance, that someone would think the topic notable enough to write about (well, several people, actually). So in that respect, we're both right. My contention is that this topic does not seem to have multiple third-party sources; one of the sources is quite good, a newspaper article devoted solely to the topic. However, the others seem to mention the topic only in passing, and one is from a college newspaper, which generally aren't considered reliable. After thinking it through, the list is a little better than I initially gave it credit for, so I've crossed out 'strong' but this should still definitely be merged, IMO. faithless   (speak)  01:10, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I disagree with your reasoning, but I respect it. I understand that you think that the article should be deleted. What bother me is that this is not an AFD discussion.  This whole merger idea seems like a backdoor deletion.   Jon513 (talk) 07:59, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Or, this whole merger idea seems like a backdoor for keeping (some of) it. What better method to deal with the "no consensus" than the middle way? (Also, quality-concerned wikipedians will keep AfDing this list until it gets deleted, and merging now may be the lesser evil.) – sgeureka t•c 12:14, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Support - Good luck with this merge. Certain editors are well ready to fight for their fancruft. / edg ☺ ☭ 17:34, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Main character?
I was debating with myself on whether I should add that he is the main character in the series. He certainly has been the main focus since season 4, but some users may find that POVish. Would anyone object to me adding that he is one of the main characters in the show? -- Scorpion0422 15:03, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well he certainly has the most episode titles with his name in them. I would say he probably is the main character, edging out Bart by a bit. But you can add he is one of the main 5 characters, that is ok with me!  C T J F 8 3 Talk 20:48, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Question about one line
In the personality section, we have the following sentence: "Homer has a vacuous mind, but is is still able to retain a great amount of knowledge about very specific subjects, unlike Bart, who retains much less knowledge than Homer."

Is this a fair statement? There's certainly no objective way of measuring which one retains more knowledge. Zagalejo^^^ 22:43, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think what it's saying is that although Homer is stupid, he does know his stuff in some suprising areas, such as Supreme Court justices. Bart on the other hand, has never been seen to be like this. I removed the part about Bart. -- Scorpion0422 23:09, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Which image should we use?
While looking for reviews, I've had a few people comment that they thought that Fox's other current Homer promo image would be better for the article. Personally, I like the current image better than that one because it shows Homer's personality, while the other just has Homer with a goofy look. However, I'll see what others think.


 * Image 1 (current)
 * Image 2

-- Scorpion0422 00:43, 10 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm...I like both, but I'd say current. Doughnuts are a big part of him, (too bad no pic with a doughnut and a duff) on the doughnut one, something about his facial expression just fits him as a character too. Like he looks relaxed and easy going in the doughnut pic.  C T J F 8 3 Talk 01:09, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I prefer the current image. Its a better reflection of the character. Gran2 16:31, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Is this notable?
I added this to the page, but on second thought I'm not sure if it merits inclusion. At first I had it in influence, then development. I'll let others take a look:

In the season 14 episode "The Dad Who Knew Too Little", Homer's e-mail was said to be chunkylover53@aol.com. Episode writer Matt Selman registered the e-mail and received thousands of messages after the episode aired. He responded to some of them in the character of Homer, but gave up after being swamped with e-mails.

And there's also a story about the address being hacked and used to send malware to people that added the e-mail to their AIM buddy list. -- Scorpion0422 18:19, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no strong opinion either way. It should definitely be mentioned in the episode article, though. That article could use some real-world info. Zagalejo^^^ 18:42, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments
(To add as I copyedit.)
 * Image in the Character development section will need some more critical commentary directly related to that section.
 * Disregard; didn't see that paragraph. Giggy (talk) 03:22, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * "He often berates Bart..." - this sentence is way too long, split it up I think. ✅  C T J F 8 3 Talk 03:52, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * "Homer does, however, have a very quick temper and will often strangle Bart on impulse in a cartoonish manner." - this has already been said, I believe.
 * Yep. I removed one instance of it.
 * "and a crayon lodged in the frontal lobe of his brain" - I think you should go on to mention what happens when this crayon is removed, and that he chooses to go dumb.✅  C T J F 8 3 Talk 03:52, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * "For example, if Homer is walking, he will try to put that in his voice so that the animators will have something to work with" - this makes no sense to me
 * It's talking about how Castellaneta tries to make Homer sound like he is walking. However, I decided that the sentence was unnecessary, so I removed it.
 * An audio sample of "Doh!" would be good.

Giggy (talk) 03:17, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking a look. It's very much appreciated. -- Scorpion0422 04:26, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Images
At the moment the images appear to be at FA standard, although an image of Dan Castellaneta might be in order (if possible) Fasach Nua (talk) 15:27, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the evolution image is very important because it shows how his design has changed and thus it has more use than just one image. That does add significantly to the article, and yet you have been removing it just because one of the images is slightly similar to the lead image. And, after I altered it, you still removed it anyway. So, what do I have to do in order to keep the evolution image and still have a lead image? -- Scorpion0422 15:42, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the present infobox incarnation image and Image:Simpsons good night.jpg, shows the evolution. The other versions don't vary signicantly enough (WP:NFCC#8) to justify their usages. In one of the Treehouse of horrors (with the cloning hammock), they only showed two versions. I dont think there is anything that can be done to allow use of the evolution image and still meet WP:NFCC#3a. Fasach Nua (talk) 16:01, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No, they just show what he looks like now and then. To show the evolution, you need other images to illustrate the changes, which the image does. It shows him at the beginning of Ullman, at the end, at the beginning of the series, and in the movie. It's discussed in the text, it illustrates a point and it has a proper rationale. I don't see why you say it doesn't meet #8 because it says "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic." and while getting reviews for the article, I've had several say they did think it was a big help. -- Scorpion0422 21:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there an external source that discusses the evolution in this depth? It seems like undue weight Fasach Nua (talk) 12:04, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * How can an image be given undue weight? I would say the image belongs there more than both of the free ones on the page. -- Scorpion0422 13:59, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It is the evolution I am concerned about at the moment Fasach Nua (talk) 14:09, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I just don't see how you can say it's given undue weight. As an animated character, his design is the most important part of his character. His design is discussed in the text and the evolution image is there to illustrate the various (though in some cases subtle) changes in his design at key points of his existance. An image of his first appearance is good, but one that actually compares changes side-by-side is far more useful to the article. -- Scorpion0422 14:13, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

FAC countdown
The Philosophy book I ordered should come in the mail today, so barring anything major, I am going to nominate the article for FA status on Saturday the 20th (three days). Anyone who has any objections or comments should state them before that date. -- Scorpion0422 13:59, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

The Homer Euro
I'm not sure if this belongs in the article, but an interesting piece of trivia... the Homer Euro has shown up in Spain.

Comments from Zagalejo
Here are some comments on the article. I'll add to them as I read through:
 * Lead
 * 1) Homer was created and designed by cartoonist Matt Groening while he was waiting in the lobby of James L. Brooks' office.
 * Should we elaborate on this a bit? I think we should briefly explain why Groening was in the office to begin with. (I realize that we discuss this in depth later in the article, but a little more detail in the lead would be helpful.)
 * I'm not sure if such detail is needed in the lead about it, because it is just meant to summarize the article.
 * Well, if we're going to talk about James Brooks' office at all, we should at least provide a little bit of context for the sake of clarity. (Not everyone reads past the lead.) Either that, or just remove the sentence we have now. Zagalejo^^^ 00:20, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm still not sure, because then we'd have to add something along the lines of "Homer was created and designed by cartoonist Matt Groening while he was waiting in the lobby of James L. Brooks' office. Groening had been called to pitch a series of shorts for Life In Hell but instead decided to create a new set of characters." which I believe is too much detail for the lead, and it is discussed later on in the article. -- Scorpion0422 14:31, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * In that case, I'd suggest removing the lobby sentence from the lead. As it is, it's just begging for more context. Zagalejo^^^ 18:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Done.
 * OK. Zagalejo^^^ 21:54, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) ...possesses an integrity that reflects his own values...
 * Do these words really add anything concrete to the sentence?
 * Not really. Removed.
 * OK. Zagalejo^^^ 00:20, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Role in the Simpsons
 * 3) Doesn't "That 90's Show" contradict a lot more than just Bart and Lisa's birth dates?
 * Yes, but we don't want to go into too much detail about it.
 * Well, we don't have to list every contradiction. I just think a more general statement (eg, "The episode 'That 90s Show' contradicts much of the backstory established in earlier episodes..") would be better. Zagalejo^^^ 00:20, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Done.
 * OK... but the more I look at that section, the more uneasy I feel about the whole approach. It's still unclear which of those things are "canonical truths", and which are throwaway details from specific episodes. For example, I don't think it's fair to say that Homer fell in love in 1974 without further comment. (We do say, at the beginning of the paragraph, that dates are often contradicted, but the way the paragraph is structured, it's not clear which of the dates may be called into question.) Zagalejo^^^ 18:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * So do you have any suggestions then? -- Scorpion0422 20:02, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, for starters, I think you should state the episode in which each detail is revealed. I'd also like to shuffle some things around, but I'll hold off on that for a little while. Zagalejo^^^ 21:54, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * But the point of the citation templates is so that you don't have to write "in [insert episode]" every other sentence. And remember that I plan on nominating the article tomorrow. -- Scorpion0422 22:15, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Readers generally don't look at the refs, though. And the refs by themselves don't make it clear that certain details about Homer's backstory are only described in those episodes.
 * You do mention the name of the episode when discussing how Homer's mother left the family in the 1960s. It looks sloppy to only do that for one sentence of the paragraph. Zagalejo^^^ 22:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I've been experimenting with some solutions, but I haven't found anything that works. Admittedly, mentioning the episode in each sentence makes for lousy prose. I dunno, I'll think about it some more. Zagalejo^^^ 07:57, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) His main job is the Nuclear Safety Inspector...
 * This seems like an odd phrasing to me. You wouldn't say, "My job is baseball player."
 * I did some rewording, is it better?
 * OK. Zagalejo^^^ 00:20, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Personality
 * 5) I'm confused about ref 39. (Groening, Matt; Scully, Mike; Jean, Al; Brooks, James L.; Silverman, David. (2007). The Simpsons Movie: A Look Behind the Scenes [DVD]. The Sun.) What is "The Sun" doing there? (Incidentally, who wrote that paragraph? The writing style is much different from that of the rest of the article.) Zagalejo^^^ 20:12, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I actually am not sure where that reference came from. I'll ask Gran about it. -- Scorpion0422 20:58, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Gran's response: "It's a DVD comprising a series of interviews with the staff, primarily about the movie, conducted and produced and distributed by The Sun. Although its The Sun, it is reliable as its basically just Groening and Silverman talking." -- Scorpion0422 00:27, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hm. OK. Is there any way to change the citation so that the Sun's role is clearer? Zagalejo^^^ 00:32, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I added "distributed by The Sun" to it.
 * I guess that's OK. I don't know enough about the source to offer any additional suggestions. Zagalejo^^^ 18:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It's sort of hard to define. It's basically a "making-of" DVD which was being given away in The Sun. Looking at the back of the case, aside from the basic Fox copyright, The Sun is the only company listed. Although, of course, they are both out by Rupert Murdoch. Gran2 18:45, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) I think the second paragraph of "Personality" could use better organization. The details about the Homer-Bart relationship should be kept together. Zagalejo^^^ 00:32, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I've done some work on it. However, I think the strangling part should stay where it is because the paragraph talks about Homer's relationship with his children, and it would disrupt the flow to just start going off on a different tangent.
 * I understand what you're saying, but the strangling section still seems tacked on to the end of that paragraph. It's four sentences worth of material... Maybe we could give it its own paragraph? Zagalejo^^^ 18:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Done.


 * Commendations
 * 7)Homer was placed second on TV Guide's 2002 Top 50 Greatest Cartoon Characters, behind Bugs Bunny;[67] fifth on Bravo's 100 Greatest TV Characters, one of only four cartoon characters on that list;[68] and British viewers voted him as the greatest TV character of all time.
 * This is an awkwardly written sentence, because of the non-parellel constructions. It could use a rewrite. Zagalejo^^^ 00:42, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm unsure how to fix it because I think it should be left as one sentence rather than three seperate ones. Could you take a stab at it? -- Scorpion0422 14:22, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * How's that? Zagalejo^^^ 18:37, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Very nice. So is there anything else? -- Scorpion0422 16:14, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I didn't really check to make sure we use logical punctuation consistently. I should do that now. Zagalejo^^^ 18:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, I took care of that. But there are still a couple of unresolved issues above (1 and 3). Zagalejo^^^ 19:19, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments from jackyd101
Apologies again for not coming back to this while it was at FAC, I think that nomination was closed very prematurely. I have given the article a copyedit and have appended below a list of other recommendations. I strongly recommend that as many people as possible copyedit and comment on this article and that the primary editors approach people they think might be helpful and willing to do so.--Jackyd101 (talk) 11:07, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I've been doing for the past month.
 * Good, keep it up.


 * "Despite the suburban blue-collar routine of his life, he has had a number of remarkable experiences." - Is this sentance necessary? It doesn't seem to be adding veryu much to the lead.
 * "evolved into a more robust voice" - Rather than just "more robust", is there a better adjective or best of all a quote that can better describe this change?
 * I can't really find a good quote for that. Do you have any suggestions?
 * How about "versatile"?
 * Okay. Also, I have found a small quote, so I could change the second sentence that uses robust to "Castellaneta "dropped the voice down", and developed it into a more humorous voice with "more power to it" during the second and third season of the half-hour show, allowing Homer to cover a fuller range of emotions." -- Scorpion0422 18:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Again, any sort of sourced rationale behind "That 90s Show" rewriting of the storyline is important.
 * I doubt that there will be anything until the DVD comes out in a few years.
 * "When Groening drew Homer" - does this mean when he originally drew Homer? Or was this the case for the first few seasons?
 * I switched the word drew to designed.
 * "and has been described as a borderline alcoholic" - I changed this to make it read better, but whether you keep the change or not, Homer's alchoholism is a matter of opinion and the person who stated the opinion should be listed in the text.
 * Isn't there a ref there already?
 * Its not a matter of the ref, its about how it is presented in the text. For example "has been described by Matt Groening as a borderline alcoholic" tells a reader that this is an intention of the creator whereas "has been described by Joe Randomjournalist as a borderline alcoholic" tells a reader that his alchoholism is only percieved as such by a reviewer.--Jackyd101 (talk) 18:10, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it has been basically stated in several episodes that he is an alcoholic, including Duffless. -- Scorpion0422 18:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well then say so, "was described in the episode "Duffless" (Season 16?) as "a raving alcoholic", or similar.--Jackyd101 (talk) 19:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Done.


 * "Another idea entertained by the writers was that Homer" - when? in the early seasons? If you have a time period then say so.
 * Fixed. Thanks for all of your help so far, it really is appreciated. -- Scorpion0422 19:44, 3 October 2008 (UTC)


 * One more thing, why is the Arabic translation chosen over all translations to be mentioned in this article, why is it especially important?--Jackyd101 (talk) 18:37, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Because it had been my intention to include an "international versions" section about changes to the character in several languages. Unfortunately, that was the only version I could find reliable sources for and it just kinda stayed in the article nad has been kicked around from section to section. I can remove it if you wish. -- Scorpion0422 18:59, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I actually quite like it, but on its own it does seem a bit stuck in, are ou absolutely sure there is nothing on, say, the Spanish translation? I remember reading about that somewhere on Wikipedia before.--Jackyd101 (talk) 19:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * There is an article, Non-English versions of The Simpsons that I looked through and the only notable bits that might be worthy of inclusion are that French Homer apparantly says "t'oh" and the Spanish voice actor who plays Homer died. I could probably find a source for the later, but most likely not for the former. Perhaps I should just move the bit to that article, that way it would still be on wikipedia in a more appropriate place. -- Scorpion0422 20:11, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * At this stage, I reluctantly agree with this suggestion. Its not that the information isn't interesting, it is just a little lonely without sourced information about other translations.--Jackyd101 (talk) 21:39, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Basically, the two things above (alchoholism & translations) are the only problems I have remaining. I will read the article thoroughly when it goes back to FAC and may have minor suggestions or improvements, but on the whole this is a very nice article.--Jackyd101 (talk) 20:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * One question, I included a quote box in the voice section containing a quote from Castellaneta that I tried to work into the article, but really couldn't find a place for. Do you think it's okay or should I remove it? -- Scorpion0422 20:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I like it!--Jackyd101 (talk) 21:39, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Pre-FAC review
At Scorpion0422's request, I am taking a look at this article once again before FAC. Some notes: That's about it for me, I have done some further copy editing as well. Risker (talk) 01:37, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * "Homer made his debut with the rest of the Simpson family on April 19, 1987 in the short Good Night." - Needs to mention that it was part of The Tracy Ullman Show.
 * Done.
 * The computer animation directors at Pacific Data Images worked hard not to "reinvent the character". - do you need a ref at the end of the quote? Is it a quote?
 * There is a ref at the end of the paragraph, but I did add a citation after that quote.
 * He was originally "very angry" and oppressive toward Bart... - ref needed for quote? Would you consider changing "very angry" (in quotes) to short-tempered?
 * I decided to use "very angry" because I actually wasn't sure what Groening meant by it, he didn't really elaborate. The ref for the quote is a sentence later, but I will add a citation.
 * Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it. -- Scorpion0422 01:54, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Suggestions: I think this article can easily pass because Homer is such spawn of comic genius. I supported this article because it could be featured, but I think it can be improved to make it unquestionable that this should be on the main page. What do the primary contributors think of approaching this article from looking at Homer not as a father of The Simpson Family, but as one of the best comic characters in the English language? Do you have the sources, or could you find the sources to justify praise and analysis of Homer from more shall we say, legitimate sources? Academic sources? Can you make that more prominent? What do you also think about making a stronger connection between what makes him so funny to what that says about American society, or men, or fat guys, or alcoholics, or incredibly clumsy guys who get whacked in the nuts by ski moguls after cursing Ned Flanders for being too sexy? I think your next FAC should be a slam-dunk, but I also think you should re-approach by - seriously - writing this article as if Homer were a Shakespearean character. Think I'm full of poop? Thoughts? --Moni3 (talk) 02:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It sounds like a very interesting idea, and it might be worth exploring, but the major problem with that is sources. Perhaps I'm not looking in the right places, but I didn't find much along those lines. That's not to say there isn't more out there, I just recently found out how to access my school's online jornal, magazine and article program so I'll see what I can find tomorrow. -- Scorpion0422 02:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Homer Erectus: Homer Simpson as Everyman ... and Every WomanPreview By: Chow, Valerie Weilunn. pp. 107-36 IN: Alberti, John (ed.); Leaving Springfield: The Simpsons and the Possibility of Oppositional Culture. Detroit, MI: Wayne State UP; 2004. xxxii, 344 pp.
 * Homer Simpson Explains Our Postmodern Identity Crisis, Whether We Like It or Not: Media Literacy after 'The Simpsons'Preview By: Bybee, Carl; Simile: Studies in Media & Information Literacy Education, 2001 Feb; 1 (1): [no pagination]. (journal article)
 * Homer Simpson's Eyes and the Culture of Late NostalgiaPreview By: Herron, Jerry; Representations, 1993 Summer; 43: 1-26. (journal article)
 * Let me see what else I can find.. --Moni3 (talk) 02:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Schulman, P. Men Know from Homer, Women from Marge. Psychology Today v. 36 no. 4 (August 2003) p. 32-4, 36
 * Billen, A. Stealing the show. New Statesman (London, England: 1996) v. 135 (May 1 2006) p. 47
 * TV Dads. Preview Biography, Jun2001, Vol. 5 Issue 6, p60, 5p, 27 color; (AN 4456477)
 * The Printed Media and the New Man: Resignifications by Male Teachers Ribeiro, Claudia Regina; Siqueira, Vera Helena Ferraz de Estudos Feministas, vol. 15, no. 1, pp. 217-241, Jan-Apr 2007
 * War of the Words.Preview By: Fromme, Alison. Psychology Today, Mar/Apr2007, Vol. 40 Issue 2, p30-30, 0p; (AN 24307096)
 * Homer Simpson may be onto something.Preview By: Case, Tony. MediaWeek, 3/31/2008, Vol. 18 Issue 13, pSR3-SR3, 1p; (AN 31597220)
 * Homer Simpson yearns for Friday's.Preview By: Whalen, Jeanne. Advertising Age, 11/29/93, Vol. 64 Issue 50, p4-4, 1/5p, 3 bw; (AN 9404052884)
 * WHAT'S HOT IN POP CULTURE.Preview Advertising Age, 9/2/2002, Vol. 73 Issue 35, special section pS-1-S-6, 4p, 23 color; (AN 7265728)
 * Thank You for Arguing: What Aristotle, Lincoln, and Homer Simpson Can Teach Us About the Art of Persuasion
 * I have a crass statement on my userpage that says getting an FA is straddling a fine line between Zen-like patience and complete batshit insanity. The batshit insanity comes in to fuel an editor to find everything available at a relative point that's reasonable. I've found my definition of reasonable keeps moving. Now I won't pay more than $75 for source. That may change. --Moni3 (talk) 02:49, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've already checked half of those and I didn't find anything of note. And, by the way, I ordered two books (at 30 bucks a piece) solely so I could add a couple of sentences to this article. So I really don't like your insinuation that I haven't tried hard enough to find sources. -- Scorpion0422 15:20, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That was not at all my intention. I don't insinuate. If I thought you weren't working hard enough, I would have said it right out. I'm suggesting a different approach from a different set of sources. --Moni3 (talk) 15:29, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I guess I misread your comment and I apologize if I offended you. Some of these sources might have something of use, I have access to NewsBank and ProQuest, what did you use to find those sources? -- Scorpion0422 15:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

This article has Bill Oakley's seal of approval
I just wanted to let everyone know that former executive producer and writer Bill Oakley thinks this is a great article. I wonder how many Dr. Who producers have complimented the articles on their subject. -- Scorpion0422 14:35, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Excellent! -- The Le ft orium  14:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * ¡Bravo! -- MISTER ALCOHOL  TC 05:53, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

that 90s show and timeline
Is it really necessary to single out That 90’s Show as contradicting “much of the established backstory”? Once the quirk that the ages are the same forever is accepted, it makes perfect sense for them to be childless in the early 90s. The contradiction was more implicit – for example, in presenting Homer as a successful grunge musician when he’s supposed to have been to “Hullabalooza” and had no idea what was going on, or not referring to Marge’s plans to be a journalist that were supposed to have been thwarted by Bart’s conception. Billwilson5060 (talk) 16:44, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

"The first intentional use of d'oh! occurred the Ullman short "
Should'nt it be "occurred in the Ullman short .."? Thanks Kvsh5 (talk) 06:20, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Homer balloon on "Vanilla Sky"
In the movie there was some kind of march/parade, and a giant Homer balloon was shown for a few seconds. Would you think this can be added to the Cultural influence section? Thanks Kvsh5 (talk) 06:27, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Trivial instances such as that are generally discouraged. Best, faithless   (speak)  10:10, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

He was renamed "Max Power" in one episode, that should be mentioned
78.34.248.85 (talk) 17:59, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Why? It's a one episode joke and if we spent time mentioning every one episode plot, the page would be a LOT longer and nowhere near featured quality. --  Scorpion O'422  18:13, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Age??
So he fell in love in senior year, high school. that is 18, 19 years old?? then he had bart and married marge and had to work in the nuclear power plant. Bart is 10. What happened if homer is 38, or 40?? was he with marge for 10 years before she was pregnant? 83.206.120.8 (talk) 09:59, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Homer's age on the show had been inconsistent. It's best not to worry about these things too much. There are probably thousands of continuity problems in The Simpsons. Zagalejo^^^ 18:43, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Design
Regarding the statement "Homer's physical features are generally not used in other characters; for example, in the later seasons, no characters other than Homer and Lenny have a similar beard line." What about Krusty the Clown? He's basically Homer with extra weird hair. Jjakucyk (talk) 18:37, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

¿Homer's enemies?
You think we should put them? Patty and Selma, Mister Burns, Fat Tony, Florida, Australia, the PBS, Kim Bassinger, Alec Baldwin, Ron Howard, the emperor of Japan, George Bush father, Frank "Grimey" Grimes, Frank Grimes Jr. or is it just trivial information. (190.12.153.187 (talk) 00:42, 17 October 2009 (UTC))
 * This is an encyclopedia article. What you want is a fan site. -- Scorpion 0422  01:01, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

it is more trivial info, thogh it be perfect for the simpsons wikia.-- Pedro J. the rookie 00:58, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

"Contradiction" comment
In the Role section, it states, "The episode "That 90's Show" (season 19, 2008) contradicted much of the established backstory; for example, it was revealed that Homer and Marge were childless in the early 1990s although past episodes had suggested Bart and Lisa were born in the 1980s." This is not really a contradiction, just a shift of the floating timeline mentioned in the same paragraph. Does anyone know any of the "much of the established backstory" that was also contradicted, as it would probably be better to list some of those instead. Ophois (talk) 00:21, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * A shift in the timeline is kind of a contradiction. That one episode went against every other episode for a time frame. C T J F 8 3  chat 04:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * But it's not a contradiction of the established backstory. Everything still happened, just a decade later. Ophois (talk) 13:05, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Homer became a singer in a barbershop quartet in the 80s when he had children, then became a grunge singer in the 90s before he had children. That is a contradiction. --  No TV and no beer make Scorpion  0422  something something  16:29, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * How is a shift in the time line not a contradiction? C T J F 8 3  chat 16:41, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, it's a contradiction of the time frame, not of the backstory. The backstory still occurred, just at a later date. Ophois (talk) 16:49, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it contradicts the backstory as well. That episode completely usurps the backstory established in Homer's Barbershop Quartet, and parts of The Way We Was, I Married Marge and Lisa's First Word. --  No TV and no beer make Scorpion  0422  something something  21:37, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay. Sorry. That's why I was asking for other examples. Still, I think that something like what you just said would be better suited than the date of Bart and Lisa's births. Ophois (talk) 21:44, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Appearance changes
Homer's appearance hasn't really changed more than actually two times from the original, so "several times" is a wrong term. 83.148.246.254 (talk) 13:38, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No, Homer's design hasn't been changed just twice. It was changed slightly over the course of the Ullman shorts, and during the first few seasons (though the changes are much subtler). -- Scorpion 0422  01:23, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

How is this possibly the intention?
From the article:


 * By the end of the episode, Grimes, a hard working and persevering "real American hero", is relegated to the role of antagonist; the viewer is intended to be pleased that Homer has emerged victorious.

It is an incredible insult to the American people, for whom the show, after all, is primarily produced, if this is really the intention. All the best 157.157.70.111 (talk) 16:55, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree, I don't think that this is the intention. There is probably no clear cut intention, it is up to the viewer to decide how they feel about Grimes. Mah favourite (talk) 17:43, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Tracy Ulman Lawsuit
Should there be some mention of the legal action by Tracy Ulman to claim partial ownership of The Simpsons?

147.126.130.46 (talk) 21:19, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Homer Simpson's alias?
Somebody might wanna update Homer Simpson's infobox because Homer Simpson's alias is Max Power in Homer to the Max. CTWPerfection (talk) 04:13, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * No, that was just a one episode name. C T J F 8 3  chat 04:22, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh, okay, then. Thanks, CTJF83. -- CTWPerfection (talk) 01:00, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Jeff Bergman (Family Guy)
I reverted the addition of Jeff Bergman (Family Guy) as a voice over artist, but it was re-added. I might be missing the point, but why is this here? MrMarmite (talk) 22:04, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Presumably he voiced Homer on an episode of Family Guy? Whatever the case it has no place here. Gran2 23:38, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

According to Matt Groening Homer is a Canadian
"His creator, cartoonist Matt Groening, told an audience in Montreal that Homer was named for Groening’s real-life own father, Homer Groening, who hails from Canada.“That would make Homer Simpson a Canadian,” Matt told the Winnipeg Sun. “I hope Canadians won’t hold it against the show now that they know.” A fan of the show noted, “Homer eats foods commonly associated with Canada: Donuts, beer, bacon, and has been know to have a glass of maple syrup for breakfast.”"
 * [ http://www.wnd.com/2003/06/19307/ Simpson, eh? Homer voted greatest American wnd.com 06/15/2003]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.164.104.40 (talk) 01:12, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Focus
"In the early seasons, Bart was the focus of the show." Not really true at all; if you actually tally up the episodes, Bart is featured only slightly more often than Homer in Season 1 (and even then, Homer takes a fair chunk of episodes, including the pilot), and in every following season, Homer either matches or leads. Sure, Bart was the poster child and featured in a lot of ads, but he was hardly the focus. I'll admit I can't really cite academically, but I can | quote an analysis. 169.229.108.128 (talk) 10:01, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It's true, but, largely due to people misremembering Bartmania, pretty much every source says it focused on Bart. Until a reliable source says otherwise, that's what it has to say. Gran2 12:21, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * But it's factually incorrect. It doesn't need to be in the article. Wimpyguy (talk) 23:48, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I've heard such before, maybe it as early in the show's Genesis — Preceding unsigned comment added by ATBeach (talk • contribs) 21:27, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Homer and Marge (and sex)
In many episodes, is cleary displayed how Homer loves and desires Marge (and not seldomly, have explicit sex scenes as well!). It's likely both sentimental and phisical attraction. Why in those wikiarticles there is nothing about it? Homer is not just a brute idiot, but also a usually lovely husband for Marge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.20.209.65 (talk) 21:42, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

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Problematic statement
During a very cursory reading of this article I got troubled by this : "Homer has been cited as a bad influence on children; for example, a five-year study of more than 2,000 middle-aged people in France found a possible link between weight and brain function, the findings of which were dubbed the "Homer Simpson syndrome". Results from a word memory test showed that people with a body mass index (BMI) of 20 (considered to be a healthy level) remembered an average of nine out of 16 words. Meanwhile, people with a BMI of 30 (inside the obese range) remembered an average of just seven out of 16 words." I don't get how the fact that some french study found a "possible link" between obesity and a lower level of intelligence (regardless of the fact that relying on a single memory test to assess intelligence is highly debatable at best) can be used to surmise that Homer Simpson is a "bad influence on children", just because he happens to be depicted as both obese and not-so-bright. In fact, his lack of intelligence and carelessness often result in disasters (however funny those disasters may be), so a child would have to be very foolish in the first place to even consider him as an example to follow. People, and children of all people, don't decide to be more or less intelligent — and certainly not by mimicking a popular cartoon character. Plus I would guess that the single study cited in support of this statement (I'm french myself so it's not a matter of prejudice targeted at said study's origin) at no point explicitly correlates these findings with the implication that Homer Simpson is a "bad influence on children". Besides, the whole paragraph is very tangentially related to the subject; the only somewhat relevant part is that Homer Simpson was mentioned in a you're a-peein' (sorry) scientific publication, to describe a possible correlation between "intelligence" and physical fitness (a memory test could just as well measure an individual's level of will and dedication, especially with such a small gap between the two groups, while will and dedication most likely have a much more significant effect than intelligence on people's ability to control their weight in a society of abundance and constant enticement to over-indulge one's every craving). This is especially problematic in a so-called "featured article", which is supposed to showcase the highest level of airtight fact-checking and laser-accurate prose writing — in other words, this is a bad influence on aspiring Wikipedia editors. [EDIT] If anything, the corresponding paragraph in the french article is more consistent, citing, in support of the "bad influence on children" statement, a poll conducted in the UK wherein 59% of questioned parents replied that Homer Simpson was "promoting an unhealthy lifestyle" (which is definitely more relevant — although it is sourced from dailymail.co.uk, a website I vowed never to visit again), and only then mentioning the french study which coined the "Homer Simpson syndrome", with no explicit link between the first sentence and what follows (although the very fact that it follows in the same paragraph does seem to imply that it also supports that same statement, which it does not as I demonstrated above). "Homer a également été cité comme ayant une mauvaise influence auprès des enfants ; par exemple, en 2005, une enquête menée au Royaume-Uni a révélé que 59 % des parents estiment qu'Homer promouvait un mode de vie malsain. Une étude de cinq ans portant sur plus de deux mille personnes d'âge moyen en France a trouvé un lien possible entre le poids et la fonction cérébrale, lien qui fut appelé « effet Homer Simpson ». Les résultats d'un test sur la mémoire de texte ont montré que les personnes avec un indice de masse corporelle (IMC) de 20 (considéré comme un niveau sain) se rappelaient une moyenne de neuf des seize mots, tandis que les personnes avec un IMC de 30 (considérés comme obèses) se rappelaient une moyenne de seulement sept des seize mots. En 2010, une équipe scientifique de l'université Emory a utilisé le nom d'Homer Simpson pour surnommer le gène RGS14. Après avoir étudié des souris, cette équipe a en effet remarqué que ce gène peut être un obstacle au développement de l'intelligence." [EDIT 2] When reading the article in question, one finds out that the "Homer Simpson effect" is not even a phrase which was used in the scientific publication it mentions (which at least would have been worth mentioning), but that the supposed "phenomenon" linking body mass index and cognitive ability (which is not the same as intelligence) has been dubbed as such by "some North American media" (how accurate is that !), making the whole thing even less relevant. At least in the case of the RGS14 gene article, the researchers themselves are quoted as having nicknamed it "the Homer Simpson gene", making it much more interesting. --Abolibibelot (talk) 08:07, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2021
In the infobox, please change the link for Abbie Simpson to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpson_family#Abbey as the current link leads to a page that does not mention her. Also, her name might need to be spelled as Abbey instead of Abbie for consistency across pages. Other sites spell her name as Abbey like the referenced Wikipedia page does. Example: https://simpsonswiki.com/wiki/Abbey BeeGhoul (talk) 02:27, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:14, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Simpson
Hi 2601:245:4280:7180:96F:DC39:265E:F89A (talk) 22:24, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2022
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Can I edit Harry123456712 (talk) 23:34, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Full-protection-shackle-no-text.svg Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:49, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Email received from user regarding reversion of age
Copied from an email received from Dušan Kreheľ:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Homer_Simpson&oldid=prev&diff=1068494955

''Your change is un-profesional. If bad, u write right (another section or so). If u don't like, so u don't change, because its ur subjective idea, and wiki is not only ur wiki. Your change comment are only subjective.''

The age is written for people after the name, so you don't like it?

D. K.

Accepting that English is not your first language and that it's far better than my Slovak, but if you have a problem with an edit - far better to discuss on a talk page, be it yours, mine, or that of the article in question and not send private emails.

Homer's age is floating in that it has no rigid definition - as covered by the character section:

Due to the floating timeline, Homer's age has changed occasionally as the series developed; he was 34 in the early episodes, 36 in season four, 38 and 39 in season eight, and 40 in the eighteenth season, although even in those seasons his age is inconsistent. In the fourth season episode "Duffless", Homer's drivers license shows his birthdate of being May 12, 1956, which would have made him 36 years old at the time of the episode. During Bill Oakley and Josh Weinstein's period as showrunners, they found that as they aged, Homer seemed to become older too, so they increased his age to 38. His height is 6' (1.83 m).

Moreover, my original edit summary stands - just adding in the comment there makes it out of place, breaking the flow, and despite your claim - I think - that it is commonly done; it isn't. Chaheel Riens (talk) 19:42, 28 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I didn't read the full article. ✍️ Dušan Kreheľ (talk) 12:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)