Talk:Homestar Runner/Archive 1

"Powered by the Cheat"
doesn't the name "Tangerine Dreams" come from the pioneer electro-music band "Tangerine Dream" ? If so then I guess it should be mentioned. 82.210.171.3 15:56, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Missy Palmer
I personally think that the Missy Palmer thing should be merged. She is not a famous person, and she only plays a tiny part in the cartoons. She should be mentioned on the main article as the girlfriend of Mike, and the voice of Marzipan, but that's all. Agree or disagree? LordMooCow 12:39, 3 July 2005 (GMT+10)

-- Missy is a pop culture icon now. she may not be on the Simpsons but she is well known for her voice role in HSR. I say leave her page as it.

Homestar Runner Wiki / Template
I've created a template for giving users a heads-up to the http://www.hrwiki.org (Homestar Runner Wiki), which looks like:

at the Homestar Runner Wiki

...and started a discussion attached to the template of how we might avoid unnecessary redundancy between the Wikis. If you find this subject of interest, please contribute to the discussion there.

This article was partially (and poorly) replicated on the Homestar Runner Wiki, so I changed that wiki's page to a redirect to this one. Although I do think a lot of information should be centrally kept on HRWiki, this "encylopedic overview" should do its best to give a NPOV understanding of Homestar Runner and its significance as an internet phenomenon, and then redirect people back towards the HRWiki for less generally-relevant "fanstuff" (like Eh! Steve).

--metaeducation

Missy Palmer is not "a famous person", i agree with you on that, but her article should be left separate due to the fact that the general "homestar runner" article is growing very large as a result of popularity and such. She also needs her own site as she IS a main voice actor for the cartoon. (she does the voice of marzipan, as im sure you know, and marzipan is a major charicter for the most part).66.19.101.193 21:36, 12 August 2006 (UTC)homestar_runner56

Split
This article is starting to get unwieldy and kinda spoilish. I propose moving the character guide to a different article, perhaps Guide of Homestar Runner characters or something like that. If no one disagrees (or does it before I do), then I'll go and do that. --cprompt


 * I don't think it's unwieldy - it's well structured, so easy to follow. But anyway, somebody made Homestar Runner characters, so I'll delete the list from this article (I'd rather they were all in one place, however, personally). --Camembert


 * I've changed my mind and put everything back in this one article (it's now as it was before, but with the "creators" section above the "characters", which makes sense to me). I don't see the benefit of spreading the information over two articles when it can be well presented (as it is) in one. --Camembert


 * Well, there is a lot of them, and the article was seeming to be more about the quirks of various characters than about the site. Other articles don't have this, including Futurama_(animated_series), The Simpsons, and South_Park. The article does benefit from better organization since you moved the "Creators" section, but I still feel that a paragraph about each character is excessive on the Homestar Runner page. I'll leave it alone for now, but if the character list continues to grow, I may be compelled to create a Homestar Runner characters page.
 * --cprompt

I think it might be worth considering creating an article specifically devoted to the sub-cartoons portrayed in the SB emails, and splitting off the text currently on this page that deals with these sub-cartoons. There are a lot of small paragraphs on the main HR page, and (though I'm relatively new to looking at that page), I think it might be worth considering making a "List of Cartoons Featured on Homestarr Runner" page, or something to that effect, to un-clutter the main page. Thoughts? --Rahzel 23:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Bad Link
The Coolest Stuff Ever appears to be down. Remove the link or hope it comes back up? Kirun 23:32 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)
 * I'm hoping for now. At least we're no more out of date with that link than Google is. It really was a great resource.
 * --cprompt 02:24 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)
 * It's back up, but I don't see the guide of the Strong Bad emails anywhere. Maybe the site has changed its purpose? I noted it in the article.
 * --cprompt 17:24, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Awesomeness NPOV
I may just go crazy if I see another "Homestar was supposed to be awesome, but instead Strong Bad is more awesome" sentence. It's overstated, highly subjective, and really not that important. Homestar is the protagonist, Strong Bad is the more entertaining antagonist. Let it be. Besides, I prefer Homsar, Strong Sad, and the KOT :-P --cprompt

Technically Strong Bad is an antihero, not an antagonist, but you're right, Homsar is the pwn --Macarion 17:15 27 June 2006

TCYBCBY
OK, somebody let me into the secret. Why does the yoghurt place in Teen Girl Squad #2 have "TCYBCBY" written on the roof? Kirun


 * There is a USA frozen-yogurt chain called "TCBY" for "The Country's Best Yogurt". No idea what the Teen Girl Squad version is supposed to mean, but it's an obvious takeoff. --FOo 01:08, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)


 * I think it's just a big exaggeration on TCBY. Many things in Teen Girl Squad are big exaggerations. Mike H 18:33, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)


 * ANSWERED!!

Gijake 01:16, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Quotes - copyright?
I'm just slightly concerned... Since these quotes appear in Flash animations (and thus pieces of "art" that would be covered by copyright), is it appropriate to place them in Wikipedia or Wikiquote? Has permission been asked? -- Pipian 02:44, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)


 * I think it's safe to assume that excerpting small pieces of dialog from a cartoon is covered under U.S. "fair use" laws. Quote from Standford Copyright & Fair Use site:

'''Fair Use is codified in U.S. Copyright law at 17 U.S.C. § 107. It states that the Fair Use of a copyrighted work for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.'''
 * --cprompt 14:29, 21 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Matt B.
Removed ''===Matt B.=== Matt B. is a super secret character on Homestarrunner.com, who is very cool and that includes the sunglasses 24/7! there are various links to him showing up in the cartoon! he is a cross between Stinkoman and Homsar, and is best friends with Trogdor the burninator (from a secret link in Strong Bad email "Dragon".) Little more is known on this mysterious character!!! '' I have doubts this "secret" character exists. Replace if I'm wrong. Dysprosia 02:02, 27 Nov 2003 (UTC)


 * Definitely wrong. - Kookykman| (t) e

This sounds like a bad japanese translation "that includes the sunglasses 24/7?" And Matt B. is definitely not real. Probably some guy just trying to see his edits on the wiki. Da Huuudge 15:25, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Everybody to the limit
Quote: The second, ostensibly a music video produced by the character The Cheat for Strong Bad's song "Everybody to the Limit", also features this name for humorous effect. The song was recorded by a band called The Skate Party.

I know that The Skate Party did the The Cheat theme song, but did they record "Everybody to the Limit"? I'm thinking they didn't. Anyone know for sure?
 * They didn't. At least, if they did, the Brothers Chaps didn't credit them. I've removed that sentence from the article.
 * --cprompt 01:12, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Dumples
I dunno about the bit that says the CGNU mascot is "the dumple". Somebody just changed it to "Dumples", but that's wrong, so I reverted it -- the team is the Dumples, but the mascot is the Dumple. Rarely will a team have a group of things acting as a single mascot. For now I'm just leaving it as it was.

--Furrykef 08:58, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Technically, it's The Jolly Dumple. --Anonymous

The Split
I hate to say it, but I liked the monolithic format better. Shouldn't we have discussed it before splitting it back up?

--Furrykef 14:47, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Not really required...people should be bold in editing. We can talk here about merging it all back together. Personally, I think it was a bit excessive. You could write a whole encyclopedia about the Homestar Runner universe! Right now, there is a detailed yet succint article about Homestar Runner, with links to all of the information that once constituted this enormous article. :-) --cprompt 19:39, May 31, 2004 (UTC)


 * Of course you should "be bold", but my understanding is that something really major like splitting up a page usually warrants (fairly recent) discussion first. Nobody wants to go through the pain of splitting something up just to have to go through the pain of patching it back together, right? Though I'm not really complaining...I just had a lot easier time editing it in the monolithic format (you'll note I haven't made any edits here in a long time). --Furrykef 13:44, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Speaking of an encyclopedia on Homestar Runner... http://www.hrwiki.org (Tah-da!) - Kookykman| (t) e

mostly?
The first paragraph of the entry says that H*R is "available mostly through HomestarRunner.com". Is this a typo, or is it actually available elsewhere?

SilentT


 * There is an Easter Egg in Macromedia Central where Homestar and Strong Bad make an appearance, so it's not a typo. However, I can't seem to think of anywhere else, save for the occasional reference here and there. --Pidgeot 22:45, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * There are also some cartoons on the Strong Bad Email DVD that are not available on the site, so the phrase "available mostly through HomestarRunner.com" is correct. --Mr. Strong Bad 20:24, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * A few fansites got some stuff. Teh Pampas Cat 18:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Image is missing -Psychodonovan

HSR for the Atari 2600?
I believe this project http://qotile.net/rpg.html should be mentioned.


 * That sort of information is unnecessary. Homestar Runner Wiki even has it's own site!! A lot more info is there, so what's the point of adding LITTLE info to it. Not much, so, for now, leave it be.

LordMooCow 12:37, 3 July 2005 (GMT+10)

what channel can I watch homestar runner? or how can I watch it on the internet


 * It's a Flash animation. If you have Macromedia Flash installed on your Web browser (I recommend Mozilla Firefox) then you will see it when you go to http://www.homestarrunner.com/

Protagonist/Antagonist

 * There seems to be much talk here about the roles of the characters as protagonist or antagonist. These terms are not labels of good guy/ bad guy and cannot be applied to the site (H*R) as a whole.  The protagonist of a story is the character to whom the plot struggle is presented.  The antagonist is the character who presents the struggle; as such, not all stories have an antagonist.  The term protagonist is often used to mean "Good Guy."  A better term would be "Main Character."  Sometimes the protagonist is the villain.


 * In the context of Homestarrunner.com, it is impossible to simply say that one character is the protagonist and one the antagonist; the site consists of dozens of different stories which do not fit into a continuous plotline. I suppose one could label Homestar the Hero and Strongbad the Villain or Antihero.  I really am not sure which term would better decribe Strongbad.


 * Ultimately, all the comments I've written above amount to pretty much nothing for two reasons. First, the site completely defies the common conventions of literature.  Whoever described it as absurdist was dead on.  Secondly, it's freakin' hillarious and no amount of analysis will do anything to make it funnier.  I greatly appreciate this wiki entry and the HR wiki as well, but don't bother breaking it all down.  Just enjoy it.  Because, after all, "I was raised by a coffe cup."--PvtDeth 19:05, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Fictional fictional characters
Can't find a good place for this, but I think that the subcartoons are really fictional characters inside of a fictional world. Where should this go? Fitch

Kids
the series is most popular with (and has been gravitating toward) college students and young adults.

Does that mean children don't like Homestar Runner?

Pece Kocovski 02:29, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm a 9 year old girl and I LOVE it.Princess Homestar

It doesn't mean that children 'don't like' Homestar, it means that the site is most popular with people who are around 18 - 24ish, college age. The numerous '80's/90's pop culture references are a good example of how the site plays to that audience, as someone who is pre-teen would probably be too young to understand most of these references.

In fact, I would like to qoute Mike Chapman: "[The site] is aimed at twenty-somethings and college type kids but can be enjoyed by little tykes as well." (Taken from http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/l33t_Interview (here)). --TotalSpaceshipGuy3 23:52, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

List of H*R characters.
I want to get input from the Homestar*Runner community on merging the articles into a list. Comments? Objections? Support? - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:18, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
 * There's already a list elsewhere on Wikipedia, but it would be nice to merge it with this article. Spartacusprime 22:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The List of Homestar Runner characters article is a mess! Strong merge/delete! &mdash;BazookaJoe 22:48, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think it might be easier to direct them to the HRWIKI character list, because the Wikipedia list is a mess, and it would be very difficult and pointless to painstakingly merge everything into this page, especially because the minor characters have needlessly long writeups. Spartacusprime 22:55, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the best thing to do with the 40-odd Homestar Runner articles out there &mdash; even though it is a very extreme solution &mdash; is to redirect all articles except Strong Bad, Homestar Runner (character), and Trogdor to Homestar Runner. Then, this article needs a severe rewrite. The article can link to the more complete and better maintained HRWiki, where there is more nitpicky information than Wikipedia would care to have. If I had enough motivation, I would have advertised and enacted this solution long ago, but it's a lot of work. Maybe during winter break... &mdash;BazookaJoe 23:05, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Nickelodeon and Homestar Runner?
Oh, no! Is the note regarding Nickelodeon true on Trogdor's page true? If it is, that could only mean that Homestar Runner is going to be a Nicktoon. If it were similar to the classic SpongeBob episodes, that would be great! But if it were anything like The Fairly OddParents!, it would be enough to drive me out of my skin.


 * During a Nickelodeon commercial, Wanda of the Fairly Odd Parents hits the orange Nickelodeon bubble, and it explodes, releasing tons of things everywhere, including Trogdor, Homestar Runner, Marzipan, the Sneak, and Homesar.

And has anyone here heard Things I Like by KJ-52 and Golden Child? KJ-52 says "I like my man SpongeBob and Homestar Runner." He even said that he would like to write an entire Homestar song! That would be cool.

Crapfully yours, Darth Katana X


 * Hi! I read this comment and the entry for it on the Trogdor page and after much thought it seems rather unlikely that such a comment would be true. First, their Inkhole_Interview mentions that they're unlikely to sell to Nickelodeon (just search for Nickelodeon).  Also, if such bubble released the toons it says it did then it either was a cameo appearance or indeed a preview of what is to come. Just a cameo appearance wouldn't make any sense, so people would generally assume that they'd have a H*R toon in the works.  If this was the case, then Nickelodeon would likely not show this if some kind of agreement had been reached with The Chaps.  If said agreement exists, then it's quite likely going to be listed in http://www.imdb.com (imdb) (as Planned or in Pre-production). If such a listing exists then Matt and Mike chapman would be listed as contributors and the entry for such a cartoon would also be listed in their http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1480095/ (imdb) http://us.imdb.com/name/nm1053635/ (entries).  I see no such entries, which leads me to strongly beleive that the comment is a hoax and should be removed. So what do you guys think? --Stux 22:57, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

thoraxcorp
what in the world is thoraxcorp, are you guys sure its from the brother chaps? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jess523s (talk &bull; contribs) 07:20, 24 December 2005.


 * See Thoraxcorp, particularly the Thorax Corporation Sightings section where it lists references to Thoraxcorp in Homestar Runner cartoons. -- jeffthejiff  ( talk ) 12:13, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

"'Classic' emails"
What exactly constitutes a "classic" email? I wouldnt pick exactly those as being classic ones. Reeks of POV to be honest. Anyone agree that it should be deleted or changed to something else? -- jeffthejiff  ( talk ) 20:15, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was just about to mention that. I'll start a vote...

Keep (sign in this box)

Get rid of it (ditto) 1. Schieffer - totally pov... Goood bye. Gnome of Fury 21:39, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I suppose some of them are probably fan favorites (POV) that don't belong in the article, but some like the 50th and 100th e-mails and Trogdor e-mails are kind of big things for the toon (50th and 100th being episode milestones and Trogdor being a character that has seen a lot of influence in other mediums of entertainment). I would say others that might fit are the e-mail that introduces Teen Girl Squad and the ones where he either blows up a computer or gains a new one. I say keep it, but change it to lose the POV and make it more like "notable e-mails" or something.

Just my thoughts. Omex, 23 January 2006

Why Is'nt HSR being updated
why has HSR not been uptated for a month!!!
 * Yeah, I wonder why too, the Brothers Chaps should have no other life but to entertain us. Danny Lilithborne 15:00, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it is their job.. ;) But they've probably just had a christmas break, and might be cookin' up something right now. I'd prefer they took ages to come out with something with their usual top quality than shitty updates every day... -- jeffthejiff  ( talk ) 02:38, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking they'll update tomorrow. I mean, holidays are over, and that's when they usually update (Monday). I'm hoping for a 15-minute toon to kick off 2006, but that's probably not gonna happen. Gnome of Fury 21:39, 8 January 2006 (UTC)Well they do have wives and stuff and maybe they are trying to get kids if you know what i mean(wink wink)

Why is HSR so fricken slow!
Well its because your coputer is too lazy to load, reset your computer, it should make it work smooth
 * No, it's because this was posted a few weeks ago when H*R servers really were slow. Case closed. &mdash;BazookaJoe 01:26, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Additions
I added Podstar to the links, deleted "for kids" from classic emails (I don't see its importance) and added Japanese Cartoon and Virus to classic emails.
 * I removed the classic emails section - see above. its hard to pick out what is a "classic" email as its just an opinion. -- jeffth  e  jiff  20:05, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Strong Bad?
Umm, I have to disagree. By looking through the Homestar Runner Wiki, which has a great amount of Homestar Runner fans, and rarely saw when Strong Bad was listed as a favorite character. The Strobg Bad Emails are popular, but, I'm not sure if SB is. Also, I took a poll, found http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/User:Bluebry_muffin/poll (here) at the bottom, and no people chose Strong Bad, however, four people chose The Cheat. I know it was only out of 9 people, but 4 out of 9? Also, The Cheat was listed as a favorite charactor when I seached the wiki. Thoughts? Bluebry muffin 01:32, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and change it. These H*R articles aren't very well-kept here. At least, not at the time being. &mdash;BazookaJoe 03:40, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong Bad is my favorite character, but I guess I'm outnumbered...but then again, I like him largely because of the e-mails. It could be that he's the most popular only because of the e-mails, and that otherwise the Cheat is more popular. Yeltensic42 don't panic 09:41, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Your head a splode
Okay, the phrase "Your head a splode" redirects here, but there's no comment on it in the article. For the benefit of those of us who are culturally illiterate enough to have never heard of HR, could someone please add a section explaining this phrase (which I keep seeing around Wikipedia)? Thanks! Angr (talk • contribs) 15:46, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure! Your answer's coming up. &mdash;BazookaJoe 19:01, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

awards
In an interview, one of the Chapman bros. mentions that Homestarrunner.com was Shockwave.com's "Site of the Year" once or twice.

Here's the actual quote:

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2003/08/01/tem_homestar01.html

"Certain bands would link us on their site and we were Shockwave's site of the year a couple of times. Things like that get it into a mainstream Internet audience."

I think this constitutes an award, or citation/honor at least, that might be deserving of a mention on this page.

External Link
FYI, you have a bolded external link in the article for no obvious reason. Good luck, H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 20:36, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Possibly SATSQ
Could strong bad emails be a spinoff, take off, or parody of Mad magazines snappy answers to stupid questions? Post your thoughts —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.182.200.111 (talk • contribs)
 * No. Danny Lilithborne 03:57, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope. DLand TALK 04:46, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Merger - GA promotion
Please do so, since the other article FLAGRANT SYSTEM ERROR is as good as a substub. The GA assessment will depend on that for now. Lincher 15:42, 9 June 2006 (UTC) Please quote this book Retro Gaming Hacks available at http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0596009178&id=1MAVnMA6xncC&pg=PP1&lpg=PP1&dq=Homestar+Runner&sig=ZM8-EGN6xwF2p_YYM4xa-FL39JM (books.google.com) which has an article dedicated to HR : p. 77. Lincher 16:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC) GA GRANTED. Lincher 17:19, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Done Judgesurreal777 16:04, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I read that the Homestarrunner crew's father died
According to http://digg.com/links/Homestar_Runner_-_Sad_News the H*R crew's father passed away recently. This is really terrible news and explains why the website has not been updated in a while. --63.135.20.33 01:46, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * So that's it...I was wondering why HSR was so dead. x.x RIP Strongdad :( --Thrashmeister 20:45, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That was back in April, so it could be something indirectly tied in with his passing, or it could be something different. &mdash;BazookaJoe 23:53, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Awards section
It's not neccessary, and the sentence isn't even pertinent to "Awards". I'm cutting it. Evan1109

Li'l Brudder POV + slur
Don't call him disabled! Just say he has one leg. That's the NPOV way to say this. He can make it on his own, Jeffthejiff. How does that make him impaired? He's gonna be a quarterback someday! OK, I fixed it. 198.49.180.40 23:38, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

HR Portal?
This page is over the reccomended size limit. Some things should probably be split. And in the same vein, why isn't there an HR Portal? Would someone that knows how to set up such things want to set one up? --WestonWyse 23:39, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Limoteen?
I noticed in the article that the band that keeps showing up in the sbemails is referred to here as "Limozeen". I'm pretty sure that Limozeen is the real-world band, and the actual parody band in the HR universe is actually called Limoteen with a "t", not a "z". Is that right, or am I just being an idiot? -Zero.exe


 * You don't have to be an idiot, but it's not right either. The band is Limozeen. See http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Limozeen. --FOo 17:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed that about half an hour ago when I was watching the original e-mail. My bad. -Zero.exe

Something Awful Parody
I am removing the link to Something Awful parody. If someone feels it should be on this page, please put a warning on it stating that it contains profanity and offensive situations. My opinion is the link doesn't really contribute to the article.&mdash; Ba ss B o n e ( my talk  &middot;  my contributions ) 00:42, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Is it just me...
...or does the H*R Wiki section feel out of place? --(trogga) 16:52, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps. You should comb through the history to see who shortened the external links and how/why it was done that way, then determine from there a better way to do it. &mdash;BazookaJoe 01:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I dont see what place the hr wiki has in an article about the homestar runner website at all. For all intents and purposes its just a fansite. It should just be an external link.Greatsaltlake 02:40, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * To me it seems like HRWiki should just have its own article. Pacaman! 03:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It was, but it got merged though this AFD. &mdash;BazookaJoe 03:26, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I still don't like all the HRWiki info on this page, at least in the way it's presented. Was the HRWiki ever featured in a news article or something? --(trogga) 00:10, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia reference
I don't know if this really has a place in the article, but I thought it was worth noting that in the new short "No Hand On Deck!" there is an apparent reference to Wikipedia: "'Kipedia said vulcanized was the way to go." Thought it was interesting. Heimstern Läufer 19:16, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

It's interesting, but avoid self reference. Kariià Deranged Ramblings 20:22, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Why not put it here? --(trogga)</tt> 14:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Kariià: Yeah, that's kind of what I thought. But I needed to hear it from someone else, first. I figure it definitely deserves a place on this talk page, so, there we are. Heimstern Läufer 22:45, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Asplode
Why does asplode redirect here? It's become part of the regular lexicon of many a netizen and, if it's down to homestar runner, as the redirect would suggest, it would make a whole load of sense to make some sort of mention of it.--Shadebug 22:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Lil' Brudder
Lil' Brudder doesn't really belong in the "Other 'sub-cartoons'" section. The other entries there are established series of cartoons, such as Teen Girl Squad and Puppet Stuff, while Lil' Brudder has only appeared once as a drawing in one Strong Bad Email and once as an actual cartoon. Heimstern Läufer 21:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Buffy The Vampire Slayer?
I really don't think the fact that Homestar Runner was referenced on some WB teen show needs to be mentioned in the introductory paragraphs of this article. They don't even really directly reference Homestar Runner on the episode in question, someone says the name "Trogdor," a character from the cartoon, but do not contextualize it, meaning only fans of the cartoon would realize the reference. I also don't think the fact that the National Review, uh, reviewed them needs to be in the intro, even if it is rare for a website to be reviewed in a national publication (even one which has a history of defending segregation, as the National Review does). Being mentioned on Buffy the Vampire Slayer is not the site's crowning achievement, and I actually think being featured on NPR's "All Things Cosidered" is a bit more notable that being mentioned on Buffy or the National Review.

I'll put those 'references in other media' elsewhere in the body of the article, but I'm removing it from the intro.


 * Well, somone's already reverted the intro mention of Buffy and the National Review, even though I left room on the talk page for them to give reasons why it's important enough to be in the intro. Here's what I just removed (again):


 * Elements from the site have been referenced in other media, such as the final episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and has been reviewed in National Review.


 * Again, it's not relevant that they were mentioned on Buffy the Vampire Slayer to include that bit of info in the introduction to this article. They don't even say "homestar runner" on the Buffy episode in question; there is never a direct reference to the site that outsiders would be able to understand. Further, being reviewed in a national publication is not a big enough deal to be in the intro. Getting national press is a pretty big deal for a small website, but they've also been covered on NPR's "All Things Considered" "Wired Magazine" and elsewhere, so this should all go in the "Reception" section of the article, no the intro. The National Review is a pretty poor publication to mention in the intro to this site, because Homestar Runner is pretty apolitical, while the National Review is doggedly conservative (They have a history of siding with Segregationists, if you take a look a their wiki article, which is a deplorable stance, even back when it was originally published).


 * Once again, I'm removing the Buffy and National Review mentions from the intro. Don't put them back. They'll still be noted in the article in the "Reception" section, just not the intro. I know it hurts to have something you wrote deleted from wikipedia, but you can't just keep adding it back if it doesn't belong there. if you want to discuss it, come to this discussion section and give a good reason why the fact that they were mentioned once, obliquely, on Buffy the Vampire Slayer just HAS to be included in the introduction.


 * That's all good and stuff, but please use the edit summary next time so people know why you did it and where to look. I didn't write that content, so that wasn't my reason for reverting; check the page history. Thanks, BazookaJoe 22:36, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

"Shameless self promotion of Homestar wiki?"
Seems that a whole paragraph of the homestar runner entry in wikipedia shouldn't be describing the creation and dealings of the Homestar wiki. This is pure crap. A link would suffice. There are wikis on many subjects now, and I have never seen a paragraph about a wiki in wikipedia. I usually like to let things be taken into consideration on the talk page but this one seems blatent enough that I'm going to nix it and let the writer of the Homestar wiki revert me because he obviously wrote the paragraph in the first place. woot

166.70.29.194 00:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Let me educate you about this AFD. The result of it was to merge and redirect the Homestar Runner Wiki article into Homestar Runner. This wiki is within the scope of the article because the makers of homestarrunner.com use it often and have even donated to it. When you look at all of the wikis in Category:Online encyclopedias, Category:MediaWiki websites, and Category:Wiki communities, you can see that there is a whole bigger battle to be fought for those who don't like articles or paragraphs about less-important wikis. Please try to be civil next time; if you know that your edit is going to be reverted, don't do it out of spite. &mdash;BazookaJoe 01:36, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

use of "canon" vs "world/universe"
This is addressed to phantasy phanatik, as he/she is the person who keeps reverting to "canon". The use of canon in the context you are using it is incorrect. You're using it to refer to the Fictional universe (in which case "world" and "universe" are legitimate) of homestar runner, which isn't what the word means. read a dictionary. If you were talking about the, say, the "canon" biblical texts, or the "canon" of texts relating to World War Two, that would be correct usage of the word. On a side note, I don't know how a word can be "unauthorized". Who authorizes what words may and may not be used? Is there some arbitrary committee that decides "thou must not useth 'universe' in relation to homestar runner"? Perhaps you could explain that one to me. Parsecboy 13:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * (From User talk:BazookaJoe)


 * Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! I'm sorry that I have been slightly bitter in our Revertfest 2006. Most of your assertions are backed by good reasoning, but please refrain from using the term "universe." I may go back and re-add it to a few sentences for a bit of fun sentence variation, but when it starts looking like Homestar fan theology, it is going too far. What I mean is, Wikipedia needs to be backed by solid facts, and while I am perfectly aware of the context in which "universe" is used in this case, I think it is taking Homestar Runner too far. To describe it as if it were say, Harry Potter is unprofessional and looks immature. If you can back it by a statement by the Brothers Chaps (which, because they are slowly inhaling HRWiki fancruft, I wouldn't be surprised), then I won't have a problem with the term, but even then, we should use it sparingly, even if just to avoid redundancy. May your swords stay pointy, &mdash; Phantasy Phanatik | talk | contribs 10:46, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I have changed the article so that the terms "canon," "universe" and "world" are used in balance, and so that use of "universe" and "world" feels lighthearted as opposed to, well, creepy. Hope this is a good compromise. It's better this way, anyway. &mdash; Phantasy Phanatik | talk | contribs 10:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Once again you continue to ignore that "Fictional universe" can be used to describe ANY fictional work. Use of this term is comepletely normal, perfectly understood, and in practice everywhere; it certainly does NOT make anything sound creepy or like fan theology! Homestar Runner is no less deserving of its own universe than Harry Potter is. Here's an article from 2002, two years before the Homestar Runner Wiki was even devised, that is some third-party verifiability that Homestar Runner indeed has its own universe: . It's you against the world, Phantasy Phantik. Continue not citing sources to support your case that it's wrong to use "universe" to describe this particular fictional realm. &mdash;BazookaJoe 13:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you for enlightening me. I will wear the title "only man in the world with a brain" with pride. Bitter evil aside, I think using "universe" or "world" every time is redundant, even if you somehow find it correct. I think I made a fine compromise by throwing in both; likewise, with the "universe" terms used sparingly, if you don't think Homestar Runner should be described so idiotically, it is easy to disregard. But it's me against the world, after all. I'm going back to my own world now. &mdash; Phantasy Phanatik | talk | contribs 01:20, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

...This is WP:LAME territory here, folks... Danny Lilithborne 01:28, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * LOL. &mdash; Phantasy Phanatik | talk | contribs 01:45, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

"Canon" is not the right word in this article (the word "universe" is in the opening sentence of the "canon (fiction)" article, by the way). The paragraph where I removed the word was talking about the 20X6 era and the old-timey era, which are definitely not outside the normal H*R canon. If they were outside canon, then, according to the article Katana himself told us to read, they would be non-genuine pieces of the Homestar Runner body of work, which is difficult to reconcile given that they were made by TBC and are on the website itself. "Universe" is a perfectly good word that means "fictional realm". In addition, the body of work is not a "series" per se, so we should avoid that word as well (there are various series within it, but as a whole it is not). Finally, it's sloppy to use the unqualified phrase "Homestar Runner" when referring to the body of work, the universe, the website, or anything besides the character. If you're not talking about the guy with the red star shirt, then you need to clarify it in some way. &mdash; It&#39;s dot com 13:38, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I need to edit this article to italicize Homestar Runner when referring to the cartoon. (I called it a cartoon, not a universe. Persecute me.) &mdash; Phantasy Phanatik | talk | contribs 05:25, 20 December 2006 (UTC)


 * That's fine. &mdash; It&#39;s dot com 13:28, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

HR wiki section.
The Picture in the hrwiki section needs to be updated. Can anyone do this please? Thanks.

88.109.90.214 21:20, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Merge TGS and Ch. Commandos
I would like to merge Teen Girl Squad and Cheat Commandos into the sections already in existence. It makes no sense that we have only one small section dedicated to the biggest feature on the site, Strong Bad Email, and full articles documenting the &mdash; more or less &mdash; spinoffs of concepts used in Strong Bad Emails! Furthermore, if people want to read this deep into Homestar Runner, chances are that they've already discovered the Homestar Runner Wiki.

I'm just going to worry about merging these two articles for now and smoothing out their patched-together sections. More things will come later, but for now, what do you all think about what has just been proposed?

&mdash;BazookaJoe 05:25, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I see your point, and I do agree that Cheat Commandos should be merged; I'm kind of on the fence about Teen Girl Squad, though, as that has some creedence as a meme of its own. Danny Lilithborne 05:33, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm definitely in support of merging Cheat Commandos, and probably TGS too, unless we really want to have a seperate article for Strong Bad Email, too. Heimstern Läufer 06:46, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Looking through the TGS article, I find little documentable real-world significance. The bulk of the article explains characters, toon synopses, and Easter eggs &mdash; all that minute and worldly unimportant stuff that is better to be covered on HRWiki. In that whole article I can only find: (1) The toons are drawn in a doodle style like those made in school [this doesn't suffice], (2) The Teen Girl Squad name drop in Runaways (comics), and (3) The "Children'd", "Arrow'd", and "MSG'd" found in Tony Hawk's American Wasteland. Whether or not there is more cultural significance than listed, this is not too much information to move to the TGS section in the main article. &mdash;BazookaJoe 07:35, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd just remove all the episode synopses, personally, but I'm not opposed to the merge. Danny Lilithborne 07:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Strongly Support as per Danny. Plus, the articles seem to be mostly plot summaries anyway, and Wiki's not the place for that. Mikeliveshere 10:41, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hello everyone. I'm here from the Homestar Runner Wiki as Theyellowdart and I would like to say my opinion.  I say merge it.  Cheat Commandos are a component on the H*R site, as Teen Girl Squad.  It only makes sense, and it would be cleaned up better.  --74.37.40.183 02:04, 31 January 2007 (UTC) PS-If you like HSR a lot, join the HSR wiki!


 * Stongly support merging as well. Both aren't notable enough to warrant their own articles. Parsecboy 02:10, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Here's my philosophy: if it has its own section on hr.com (like TGS does but CC does not), it deserves an article of its own. Therefore TGS should remain as a separate article, and CheatCommandos should be merged. --Flvg94 19:59, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Strongly Support: Agreed with the previously mentioned. The TGS page just doesn't have enough interesting information, and the CC is a list of the characters. If you want to know more about them, hit up the HRWiki instead. So do whatever you have to do to merge them. Curlyro 22:26, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * OPPOSE! Why don't we merge every single character page back into the HR page? Sure, that'll work! No. You guys who are supposrting are wrong in doing so. --ChrisP2K5 15:56, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * And you're not explaining why we are wrong? For the record, merging every single character page back into this one won't work. TGS and CC should fit here nicely, though. &mdash;BazookaJoe 16:53, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * You just made my point for me, Bazooka. Why do it for some when the rest won't work? If the rest won't work, then none of them can work. --ChrisP2K5 03:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * So it doesn't work to merge all; does it work to do it for some? Yes. My reasoning at the beginning at the thread. &mdash;BazookaJoe 03:46, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * And in my opinion, if one or two should, then they all should. So you're still not convincing me of anything. If you were going to merge CC and TGS into anything, merge them into each other and create a separate page on HR universe sub-series. Nothing else will work. --ChrisP2K5 19:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * And why not? Asserting something a lot doesn't make it true.  My opinion is to merge Cheat Commandods but keep TGS (removing plot summaries), by the way. JuJube 20:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, JuJube, obviously you haven't been paying attention to what I've been saying, so I'll reiterate. All the characters have separate pages on the wiki. Cheat Commandos should not be any different. If you're going to merge the CC article into the HR article, then there's no reason for the other character articles to exist. I don't understand why that's so hard to grasp. --ChrisP2K5 04:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * We're not talking about characters here. We're talking about sub-universes. See the Other "sub-cartoons" section of the article. Seriously, go look at it before you read any further. Only TGS and CC have a separate article from that section. While the TGS article's merit is still up in the air, many people agree that CC is not big or important enough to have its own article. &mdash;BazookaJoe 07:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Then create a sub-cartoon page with that, Sweet Cuppin' Cakes, TGS, and to a lesser degree, Old-Timey and 20X6, and put it there. It would still be cluttering the main article, and doesn't belong there. --ChrisP2K5 18:33, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose: I agree with Flvg94, in that Cheat Commandos should be merged but Teen Girl Squad (which has its own page on HSR.com) should keep its own article. I do see the point of editors supporting the move, and agree that the Teen Girl Squad article needs clean-up due to mostly being summaries, but I believe that it would make sense to keep with the format of their website when distinguishing sections of interest.  *Vendetta* (whois talk edits) 19:06, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Teen Girl Squad aside, I'm getting the feeling that quite a few people would be okay with merging Cheat Commandos. &mdash;BazookaJoe 05:58, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Citation for Homestar Runner Popularity
I noticed it says "citation needed" after "The site is one of the most popular Flash cartoons on the Internet and receives millions of hits per month".

I have one for you, though I'm not sure how to add it in: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=www.homestarrunner.com

I hope this helps, Dave


 * Thanks Dave. We will remember this source, and hopefully we can still use it. User:Heimstern and I are thinking that we need to do away with the "most popular" part, per WP:PEACOCK. I don't quite know a solid way to calculate exactly how many hits homestarrunner.com gets each month, so that whole sentence might need some additional rewording if we can't figure it out. &mdash;BazookaJoe 06:29, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Artists other than Giants?
No. I doubt the Brothers Chaps would be able to work with other groups. So how CAN the section be expanded? --Addict 2006 03:15, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Da Vinci's Notebook? &mdash;BazookaJoe 19:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * See here for a list of other projects The Brothers Chaps have worked on. I'm not sure if any of them should be added here. Trey56 06:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

New Teen Girl Squad
I'm not sure when it came out, but I checked today and lo and behold.

Valentine's special! :)

trebor 04:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Bear holding a shark
I put a merge tag on Bear holding a shark. Maybe someone here might want to rescue the article (or parts thereof). Flowerpotman 21:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Teen Girl Squad Merger
Just to express my personal opinion, I believe that the Teen Girl Squad page should be left as-is and not merged into the main article on Homestar Runner. Even if the TGS animations are less numerous/popular than other subjects on the website - such as the Strong Bad Emails, full cartoons, etc. - they are completely different than other animated content, and as such I believe they deserve a seperate page or section. This disctinction covers both subject matter, animation style, voice style, and also a series of "running jokes" (for example, "arrow'd") that exist only in the Teen Girl Squad flash. In addition, the subgroup of animations themselves were first created quite some time ago, and the fairly recent addition of the 12th episode in the series indicates that it might continue as a staple of the comic. Thank you for your time and consideration, and please let me know if I can do anything to help. Vendetta 07:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree because the points you make about distinctions between TGS and the rest of the site ('running' jokes, different animation and voice stylings, subject matter) could be said of a lot of the 'sub toons' on H*R. 'Powered by the Cheat,' '20x6' or the 'Old Timey' Homestar shorts are differently animated and voiced than the rest of the series, with their own running jokes, but it's still part of the H*R universe and should just be on this page. I just don't think there's enough of a distinction from the rest of the Homestar Runner toons to warrant treating 'Teen Girl Squad' as its own entity (it's not as if TGS has a different fan base from H*R, it's the same audience & they are all watching the shorts from the main H*R page). Also, TGS is a lot funnier in context (that it is a cartoon of Strong Bad's creation, so knowing who Strong Bad is plays a lot into the humor of those shorts) so to remove it from the H*R page would strip it of that context. It would be a different story if 'Teen Gril Squad' had its own seperate domain and webpage run by the Chapmans, but as it stands TGS is part of Homestar Runner and thus should be listed on the H*R page.

I feel that having a link from the Homestar Runner page to the TGS page is sufficient. The number of subjects related to Homestar are far too numerous to fit into one article. SassMan 04:45, 13 March 2007

I agree. Keep them separate from the Homestar Runner article, and merely provide links to each of them. At the very least, they'll be covered in the Homestar Runner Wiki, right?? Darantz11 22:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I disagree with merging the articles because of the length issue. Good Tidings - Navarro 21:01, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

DON'T MERGE! Teen girls squad deserves to have its own article for disambiguation reasons. Many people who have heard of TGS and want more information would not think to look in homestarrunner. The two aims are neither synonymous, therefore should not be merged. This proposal's principle would also insist that all movies should be merged into director's work, or producer's work. This is silly. keep it as it is.131.181.251.66 17:53, 27 April 2007 (UTC)Nadia User:Shakespeareandwine 03:53am, 28 April 2007
 * I agree with the merge, per other points. Also, the "length issue" wouldn't exist if the article didn't have a summary on every single episode; hell, these summaries take up the majority of the article. &mdash; MalcolmUse the schwartz! 21:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Not in flash
I don't think this was made in flash. I got this DVD from the site, and Matt and Mike said that they use blue tooth and motion picture. Why is everyone saying it's made in flash? CheesyToons 21:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You sure it wasn't just for editing the movie portion of a cartoon? I remember them saying once that they still use Flash 5 despite newer versions being released (in fact, "Flash's 10th Birthday" creates inside-joke humor out of this fact), but I can't remember the interview or commentary this is from off the top of my head. Which toon's commentary do TBC say they use blue tooth and motion picture? I would like to investigate this with you. &mdash;BazookaJoe 00:16, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It's in the fourth Strong Bad Emails DVD. CheesyToons 21:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Which feature? What's the toon's name? &mdash;BazookaJoe 22:04, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Are you talking about Sample of Style Too? Sample of Style Too was a joke. Shwoo 14:07, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, TBC just talked about how they still use Flash 5 at the Georgia Tech talk last week. I think that puts an answer to our question. &mdash;BazookaJoe 05:15, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It does. Thank you.  CheesyToons 06:54, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Typo in the article
Somebody mispelled English as "Engrish". I don't know if this was purposeful or accidental, but in either case I removed. Just wanted to metion that so somebody doesn't revert it. 67.182.178.220 21:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for trying to help, but the spelling was intentional. (See Engrish) &mdash;BazookaJoe 18:12, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Duplicate paragraph.
The last bullet point in "In Pop Culture" is repeated in "References".

Strong Bad Emails
I'm pretty sure the email "High school" is parodying Muppet Babies and not Rugrats. Muppet Babies used their imaginations to have adventures that dropped them into classic film backgrounds and had a "Nanny" whom we only saw mostly below her knees similar to the role Homestar Runner is playing.

This is also more in line with the era the Brothers Chaps grew up in, rather than Rugrats which was about ten years later (and which had less to do with "enormous imaginations" and more with a lack or parental supervision). Please consider changing this.