Talk:Homo heidelbergensis/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Ealdgyth (talk · contribs) 23:21, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

I'll get to this in the next few days. -- Ealdgyth (talk) 23:21, 15 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I've got started on this... will continue at our next stop in 20 miles. The sourcing and the images and the stability all look good. Now to dig into the actual prose... Ealdgyth (talk) 16:01, 28 January 2021 (UTC)


 * GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):  d (copyvio and plagiarism):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * Lead:
 * "H. heidelbergensis is regarded as a chronospecies, evolving from an African form of H. erectus (sometimes called H. ergaster), and by convention placed as the most recent common ancestor between modern humans (H. sapiens or H. s. sapiens) and Neanderthals (H. neanderthalensis or H. s. neanderthalensis)." is a bit longish - could we do "H. heidelbergensis is regarded as a chronospecies, evolving from an African form of H. erectus (sometimes called H. ergaster). By convention H. heidlebergensis is placed as the most recent common ancestor between modern humans (H. sapiens or H. s. sapiens) and Neanderthals (H. neanderthalensis or H. s. neanderthalensis).", or does that destroy the meaning?
 * done  User:Dunkleosteus77 &#124;push to talk 20:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * Lead:
 * "H. heidelbergensis is regarded as a chronospecies, evolving from an African form of H. erectus (sometimes called H. ergaster), and by convention placed as the most recent common ancestor between modern humans (H. sapiens or H. s. sapiens) and Neanderthals (H. neanderthalensis or H. s. neanderthalensis)." is a bit longish - could we do "H. heidelbergensis is regarded as a chronospecies, evolving from an African form of H. erectus (sometimes called H. ergaster). By convention H. heidlebergensis is placed as the most recent common ancestor between modern humans (H. sapiens or H. s. sapiens) and Neanderthals (H. neanderthalensis or H. s. neanderthalensis).", or does that destroy the meaning?
 * done  User:Dunkleosteus77 &#124;push to talk 20:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * "H. heidelbergensis is regarded as a chronospecies, evolving from an African form of H. erectus (sometimes called H. ergaster), and by convention placed as the most recent common ancestor between modern humans (H. sapiens or H. s. sapiens) and Neanderthals (H. neanderthalensis or H. s. neanderthalensis)." is a bit longish - could we do "H. heidelbergensis is regarded as a chronospecies, evolving from an African form of H. erectus (sometimes called H. ergaster). By convention H. heidlebergensis is placed as the most recent common ancestor between modern humans (H. sapiens or H. s. sapiens) and Neanderthals (H. neanderthalensis or H. s. neanderthalensis).", or does that destroy the meaning?
 * done  User:Dunkleosteus77 &#124;push to talk 20:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Research history:
 * "He created a new species primarily because of the mandible's archaicness" I think we'd be better off with "He split this off as a new species..."? or something similar?
 * done  User:Dunkleosteus77 &#124;push to talk 20:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "and it was the then-oldest human jaw in the European fossil record at 640,000 years old." the placement of this phrase implies that it had a bearing on the splitting of this into a new species. Is that the case?
 * yes  User:Dunkleosteus77 &#124;push to talk 20:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "missing only the left premolars, part of the 1st left molar" links for "premolar" and "molar"?
 * done  User:Dunkleosteus77 &#124;push to talk 20:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "had entered the field of anthropology" does this have some bearing on things? I mean, was he famous in some other field and now switched to anthropology and so thus his opinions had more weight?
 * Mayr is among the most influential taxonomists of the 20th century, and in 1950 he moved into human taxonomy  User:Dunkleosteus77 &#124;push to talk 20:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "pointed out similarities between the Kabwe 1 and the Greek Petralona skulls to the skulls of modern humans (H. sapiens or H. s. sapiens) and Neanderthals (H. neanderthalensis or H. s. neanderthalensis)." I'm utterly unclear which are being compared to which ... I think you mean "pointed out similarities between the Kabwe 1 and the Greek Petralona skulls on one hand and skulls of modern humans (H. sapiens or H. s. sapiens) and Neanderthals (H. neanderthalensis or H. s. neanderthalensis) on the other."?
 * Between the the Kabwe-1-and-the-Greek-Petralona-skulls and modern-human-and-Neanderthal skulls  User:Dunkleosteus77 &#124;push to talk 20:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "So, Stringer assigned them to" we've discussed four different things above - which were the ones assigned by Stringer?
 * I mean I guess he did assign all of them to H. sapiens  User:Dunkleosteus77 &#124;push to talk 20:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Classification:
 * "LCA" what's this acronymn for?
 * fixed  User:Dunkleosteus77 &#124;push to talk 20:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Okay, word choice time - "across the Old World" - can we go with "across Africa and Asia"?
 * what about Europe?  User:Dunkleosteus77 &#124;push to talk 20:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Oh, heh. I swear I thought I saw a "Europe" in the sentence before... ignore the old lady. -- Ealdgyth (talk) 16:01, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 * "SH".. what's this acronymn for?
 * "In 1976 at Sima de los Huesos (SH)"  User:Dunkleosteus77 &#124;push to talk 20:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "hypodigm" link?
 * to like wiktionary or something?  User:Dunkleosteus77 &#124;push to talk 20:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Link for "H. erectus s. s."?
 * sensu stricto is already linked on first mention  User:Dunkleosteus77 &#124;push to talk 20:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Link for "transitional morph"?
 * done  User:Dunkleosteus77 &#124;push to talk 20:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Oh, hey! Here's the explanation for LCA! "the last common ancestor (LCA) of modern" .. it should be up at the first occurance...
 * Skull:
 * "can be crested or sometimes a prominent spine" would "can be crested or sometimes has a prominent spine" be correct also, because it reads much better
 * no, the sill is either in itself a crest or a spine  User:Dunkleosteus77 &#124;push to talk 20:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Second paragraph - if you're going to give conversions for some of the brain volumes, you need to for all (and you should for all)
 * removed <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;background:#E6E6FA;border:solid 1px;border-radius:7px;box-shadow:darkblue 0px 3px 3px;"> User:Dunkleosteus77 &#124;push to talk 20:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * We've gone with cc for everything until the last one where we go "Neanderthals 1,600 cm3"? Any reason?
 * Food:
 * "Exploitation of aquatic environments is generally quite lacking, despite some sites being in close proximity to the ocean, lakes, or rivers." I'm assuming that this is known because of lack of fish/shell remains?
 * yes <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;background:#E6E6FA;border:solid 1px;border-radius:7px;box-shadow:darkblue 0px 3px 3px;"> User:Dunkleosteus77 &#124;push to talk 20:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Art:
 * "and Boucher de Perthes, in response to the academic silence, said, "[The archaeologists] employed against me a weapon more potent than objections, than criticism, than satire or even persecution—the weapon of disdain. They did not discuss my facts, they did not even take the trouble to deny them. They disregarded them."" It's a cool quote but it doesn't really help us much understand the species. Suggest removing.
 * This one is still outstanding? Ealdgyth (talk) 16:01, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 * removed <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;background:#E6E6FA;border:solid 1px;border-radius:7px;box-shadow:darkblue 0px 3px 3px;"> User:Dunkleosteus77 &#124;push to talk 18:31, 31 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm assuming that there is some sort of tie of the possible beads to heidelbergensis? I'm not seeing a specific tie in the paragraph on the putative beads...
 * because the taxonomy is so messy, these don't have a specific species attribution, so I included everything from Lower Paleolithic Europe


 * "Supposed evidence of symbolic graves would not surface for another 300,000 years." I think you mean "Uncontested evidence for symbolic graves is not extant for another 300,000 years."?
 * LIkewise, this one is still outstanding. Ealdgyth (talk) 16:01, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 * All non-modern-human examples of symbolic thinking are contested <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;background:#E6E6FA;border:solid 1px;border-radius:7px;box-shadow:darkblue 0px 3px 3px;"> User:Dunkleosteus77 &#124;push to talk 18:31, 31 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Stone tools:
 * "made use of soft hammers as they mainly made us of small, thick flint nodules" did you mean "made use of soft hammers as they mainly made use of small, thick flint nodules"?
 * fixed <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;background:#E6E6FA;border:solid 1px;border-radius:7px;box-shadow:darkblue 0px 3px 3px;"> User:Dunkleosteus77 &#124;push to talk 20:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "but also bone and antler to make hammers, and the use" any reason we link "hammers" here and not earlier when they are first mentioned?
 * fixed <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;background:#E6E6FA;border:solid 1px;border-radius:7px;box-shadow:darkblue 0px 3px 3px;"> User:Dunkleosteus77 &#124;push to talk 20:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Fire:
 * "often on the continent" to avoid confusion, I suggest "often in Africa"
 * done <span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;background:#E6E6FA;border:solid 1px;border-radius:7px;box-shadow:darkblue 0px 3px 3px;"> User:Dunkleosteus77 &#124;push to talk 20:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I randomly googled three phrases and only turned up Wikipedia mirrors. Earwig's tool no copyright concerns.
 * I did do some copyediting, please make sure I didn't change any sourced text beyond what the sources will support or that I haven't broken anything.
 * I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow folks to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on. Ealdgyth (talk) 17:43, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks good - just two things above... Ealdgyth (talk) 16:01, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
 * And that's a wrap. Looks good. I'll try to avoid your articles for the next round... give you a break from me! Ealdgyth (talk) 18:48, 31 January 2021 (UTC)