Talk:Homosexuality and Baptist churches

Weasel words
I propose that the following changes be made: The word “acknowledge” in paragraph two should be replaced by “believe”. In the next sentence, I labeled “along with all other Christian denominations, universally…” as in need of citing a source, at the least. The words “all” and “universally” may need to be modified or reduced to one word. The word “liberal” needs to be qualified and/or changed in reference to inclusiveness of homosexuality in the final bullet of the listing of Baptist denominations (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Log_Cabin_Republicans for instance). Discussion? -Oceaprisma 05:14, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

The word "acknowledge" has been changed to "believe", as the latter is more in line with a statement regarding religious doctrine. I'm not seeing the other two areas where Oceaprisma proposed changes. Did I simply miss them, or have they already been modified or removed? Kcrosby (talk) 07:42, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Attribution
The first version of this article was copied from [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities&oldid=152369934#Baptist_views_of_homosexuality. this reference desk thread]. A.Z. 02:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

The HRC attribution is a dead link. The original publisher is shut down. I found the article at the wayback machine, though. http://web.archive.org/web/20090105202400/http://www.houstonvoice.com/2006/1-27/news/national/sharpton.cfm — Preceding unsigned comment added by MellowTigger (talk • contribs) 15:11, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Proposed changes...
1) I'll write a lead for the article.

2) I'd like to see the sections on organizations and denominations cleaned up a bit. and possibly broken up into a few individual sections... US Orgs, International Orgs, and Independent.  The reason for this is to make it a bit easier for users to navigate and for editors to have a better framework to indicate where best to add an entry.

3) Remove Westboro Baptist Church from the list of Baptist organizations and denominations.  I cannot seem to find any Babtist organization or denomination with like viewpoints.  From the WBC website, they appear to be so far out in left field that they can't even see the ballpark.  From the membership list and news stories found on the internet, it appears that the church membership is all related to the church founder by either blood or marriage.  I believe that this is commonly defined as a "cult".

4) OBSERVATION: I notice that the lead-in statement is made here that "... Independent Baptist churches which are not part of an organization and have their own doctrinal statements and beliefs."  That's fine, as far as it goes, except that their doctrinal beliefs are merely alluded to, but not clarified or defined. Independent Baptist churches, by their very nature, are typically strongly conservative and fundamental, including their beliefs on homosexual marriage of any kind, as well as allowing or promoting homosexual ordination, since these practices are blatantly contrary to the plain teaching of scripture.  They do, however, welcome rank and file church membership of repentant former adherents.  SUGGESTION: Why not elaborate briefly on the position of Independent Baptist churches, which pretty-much lines up with that of the conservative element of the Southern Baptist Convention of Churches? (72.199.253.162 (talk) 15:38, 14 August 2011 (UTC)RM72.199.253.162 (talk) 15:38, 14 August 2011 (UTC))

PLEASE COMMENT! Religion is almost ALWAYS a controversial topic, so would like to see some sort of agreement before edits are made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kcrosby (talk • contribs) 01:50, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

The entry for Westboro Baptist Church has been removed. I am unable to find any Baptist church or organization with a doctrinal statement or other document which even comes close to the extremist views of this organization. "Fringe" at best, "cult" most likely also applies.Kcrosby (talk) 08:30, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Remove the information header at the top of the page that says "Baptist churches are seriously crazy" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.162.251.239 (talk) 01:56, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Outside the US?
The article should be expanded to include stances of baptist churches around the world — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.148.1.5 (talk) 09:53, 9 August 2011 (UTC) Australian Baptist Ministries, the official body of Australian baptists has released several statements opposing same sex marriage, including the following by President John Beasy: "Australian Baptist Ministries supports the rights of all couples to justice with respect to property and like entitlements and acknowledges that people, including some in Baptist churches, face difficult issues with respect to sexuality. Recognition of such rights and difficulties does not justify major changes to our convictions about marriage or to marriage legislation.

"The Baptist World Alliance, representing over 47 million baptised believers and 210 Baptist Unions and Conventions in more than 200 countries, shares the views of Australian Baptist Ministries on marriage. The Baptist World Alliance views homosexual lifestyle as incompatible with the teachings of Scripture and no BWA member body affirms, promotes or approves of same sex marriage.

"At the Baptist World Alliance annual gathering in July 1994 in Uppsala, Sweden, the BWA General Council passed a resolution confirming that the BWA “proclaims the biblical definition of the family, a permanent, monogamous, heterosexual union, as the original divine plan for family life which must continue to serve as the foundation and ideal for an ordered and effective society. Barhamaid (talk) 01:38, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

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Self-contradictory
The section on Positions is self-contradictory. For example: American Baptist Churches USA is listed both under the section Conservative position and Liberal position.

Other confusion: the term American Baptist Churches in the USA is used as if it were different than American Baptist Churches in the USA. Mathglot (talk) 22:01, 26 September 2018 (UTC)