Talk:Homosexuality in China

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Tibetan Buddhist monks and homosexuality
Homosexual practices were tolerated in Tibetan monasteries as long as they were limited to the thighs and did not involve anal penetration.

http://www.case.edu/affil/tibet/tibetanMonks/documents/Tibetan_Buddhism_and_Mass_Monasticism.pdf

http://faculty.washington.edu/stevehar/Drepung.pdf

https://tibetanhistory-20thcentury.wikischolars.columbia.edu/The+Struggle+for+Modern+Tibet

http://www.academia.edu/1470188/_Macho_Buddhism_Gender_and_Sexualities_in_the_Diamond_Way_in_Religion_and_Gender_1_2011_pp._85-103

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i7538.html

http://blogs.dickinson.edu/buddhistethics/files/2014/07/Stoltz-Tibetan-Polyandry-final1.pdf

http://www.iep.utm.edu/santideva/

https://collab.itc.virginia.edu/wiki/tibettourism/Gay%20%26%20Lesbian%20Travelers.html

Rajmaan (talk) 22:38, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Added material
Hi all, I added a quick paragraph about the effects of Western gay and lesbian culture on the Chinese scene within the "Gay, lesbian, and queer culture in contemporary Mainland China" section. Somewhat undecided about whether or not it is okay to simply refer to the general culture as "gay" culture, or if it is more correct and inclusive to continue referring to it as the "lesbian and gay" culture. I stuck with the latter to stay safe. Patriqueliu (talk) 21:00, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 25 August 2016

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Obvious consensus against. (non-admin closure).  Anarchyte  ( work  &#124;  talk )   06:24, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Homosexuality in China → LGBT+ Identity in China – The term h*mosexual is considered a slur by many gay and lesbian people, and it is inappropriate to continue referring to them as such when this article is meant to provide clarity into their history. Furthermore, this article mentions many subjects that fall under the rest of the LGBT+ umbrella, such as transgender identity. Therefore, the name should be changed to LGBT+ Identity in China as that would provide a more concise and accurate title which would not offend LGBT+ people. Faunadolls (talk) 01:46, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose – Homosexuality is a factual, neutral description, not a slur. — JFG talk 08:26, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose – The proposed title is not more accurate or concise than the current title. Homosexuality is not a slur and is not inappropriate for a encyclopedic topic. The proposer does not give a strong rational to move this page. Ḉɱ̍ 2nd anniv.   16:36, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose - At the end of the article there are two navigation boxes: LGBT rights in Asia and Homosexuality in Asia.  This article logically fits in the latter group and thus should retain its current title.  (Compare to the related article LGBT rights in China) - Reidgreg (talk) 16:56, 25 August 2016 (UTC)


 * "China" is considered a slur by many people too but this alone cannot guide article titles. —  AjaxSmack   01:53, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Hah, very witty,, thanks for a good chuckle! — JFG talk 03:20, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Strong oppose! "Homosexuality" is not a slur, and Wikipedia policy doesn't ban supposed slurs in article titles. Furthermore, the current title is more consistent with other pages on the wiki.  ONR  (talk) 04:41, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose – Homos in china would be slur but not homosexuality Norschweden (talk) 14:15, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose as WP:GREATWRONGS and WP:NOT language-change activism. Such a move would be culturally inappropriate, politicized, and confusing to most readers.  "Homosexuality" is not at all a pejorative, it's a neutral descriptor (though not always accurate; whether sources distinguish clearly between homosexuality and bisexuality in China is worth looking into).  The word "homosexual" applied as a label ("she is a homosexual") has a (not exclusively) pejorative use, but these are not the same thing.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  20:37, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Not in any way insulting or a slur. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:56, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


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'continue to limit marriage to men and women'
I saw the following information in the Taipei Times and I think it might be relevant on this page: "At a news conference, Zang Tiewei (臧鐵偉), spokesman for the Chinese National People’s Congress’ legal affairs commission, emphatically declared that Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) “lawmakers” would continue to limit marriage to men and women, noting that “this rule suits our country’s national condition and historical and cultural traditions.”" Geographyinitiative (talk) 05:44, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

CCP vs Weibo?
In the short description of this article, it states that "the Communist Party of China criticized [Sina Weibo] for banning homosexual content." However, the article linked to it mentioned nothing about the Communist Party and instead only talked about public backlash. Should this part of the short description be altered in light of this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MangaMaster21 (talk • contribs) 21:26, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

" being attributed by some writers to the influence of Christian and Islamic values"
The citation indicated (Hinsch 1990 p. 70–71) does not include this information. I have looked at the index and checked every indication in this source for information about Christianity and Islam and the author does not make any statements that would support the quoted claim. There does not seem to be any evidence that the above claim represents a historical consensus or even a significant view among historians. In addition, given that Christian and Muslim communities during the Tang period were quite small in number and had their influence on Chinese culture during this period was moderate, the claim appears quite dubious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.79.195.206 (talk) 19:45, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

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