Talk:Homura Akemi/Archive 1

Image
I want to add an image for Homura but Idk how to do it. Can someone help me? I already added a picture created by Shaft but then it has been deleted, why? Deidaramonroe (talk) 14:33, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The image was uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, where only freely usable images are allowed. Homura's character design is copyrighted by Shaft, so hosting it on Commons would be an infringement of that copyright. You can upload the image to Wikipedia directly, though, under fair use. To do so, click "upload file" in the toolbar on the left and follow the instructions there. Be sure to make the image a bit smaller and lower quality. Wikipedia takes copyright much stricter than most other websites, which is a hassle compared to fanwikis, but makes sure that everything on the website really is free. ~ Mable ( chat ) 14:52, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Can I upload a screenshot instead? Deidaramonroe (talk) 15:32, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
 * You could, if you keep the screenshot small by shrinking it a bit. If the screenshot has background elements, you should probably explain why you picked it over simply official artwork of the character. ~ Mable ( chat ) 15:58, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Content
This article badly needs to be rewritten. Development section is incomplete. I'll do it after sometime. Will add a new image too. I'm gonna remove the unnecessary details for now.  Da rk Fal len Ang el  (talk) 17:12, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks to the person who added the reviews. I'll fix the refs and remove some unnecessary polls.  Da rk Fal len Ang el  (talk) 15:02, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

I removed some of the polls. I would like to help you expand Homura's article. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.203.166.239 (talk) 20:00, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. We should start with development section first. I also suggest you to create an account.  Da rk Fal len Ang el  (talk) 20:32, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi! I created an account :) MadoMagiFan (talk) 15:47, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Hey @MadoMagiFan what happened?! Didn't you create an account to expand Homura's article and make it to a GA status? If yes then I think we should help each other! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.129.91.193 (talk) 20:17, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

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Add
Homura is like one of the most complex characters so I think you guys should add a "Characterization and themes" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.147.51.109 (talk) 17:10, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Characterization and themes
http://www.mdpi.com/2076-0787/5/2/20/htm

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10583-018-9355-9

Please guys, expand the section. 149.147.51.109 (talk) 21:53, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Rewrite
The "Appearances" section looks bad. It would be great if someone could rewrite it. Please, let's discuss about it. @Maplestrip @DarkFallenAngel @MadoMagiFan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.147.51.109 (talk) 22:08, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
 * In order to ping someone, you can write ^_^ - as for a rewrite, I notable didn't write an "Appearances" section back when I started this article, for two reasons. For one, to me, it breaks my standards of No Original Research, as I would like to source everything in an article to secondary sources. Moreover, I just don't enjoy writing these kinds of sections. That being said, a rewrite sounds good. Do you have any ideas in mind? I'm sure other editors would be happy to help you out if you can formulate what aspects of it you want to change. ~ Mable  ( chat ) 08:22, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! :) Okay, Madoka Magica is one of my favorite anime and I loved the main characters very much especially Homura so my goal is to make her article into a GA status but the problem is I'm still not fluent in English. :( The "Appearances" section isn't well written, the "Development" section is lacking so much informations and the "Reception" section suffers quite a lot (example "A described Homura "great etc")... So maybe, if we help each other and rewrite the article with original research then we might be able to transform Homura's article into a GA. 94.129.88.22 (talk) 16:49, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Let us wait for the other editors too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.129.88.22 (talk) 16:51, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Please reply.

Homura's sexuality
I decided to remove the LGBT category, at least temporarily, since the article does not contain a single source or mention of her sexuality except for the categories themselves, and Urobochi himself called their relationship "love without sexual desire". Given the popularity of such interpretations of the show, I have no doubt that such sources can be found, but at the moment it is nothing more than original research. Solaire the knight (talk) 10:34, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Rewrite the article
Again, this article is very bad and needs a rewrite. I'll write my problems with this article again:

1) "Development" lacks informations. Homura is a very popular character so finding sources about her creation and all can be very easy.

2) "Appearances" is empty at best. I'm sure if we help each other and write it then we can finish it with no problem.

3) "Characterization and themes" looks okay. It just needs an expansion, that's all.

4) "Media" must be under the appearances section and change it to "In other media". Needs an expansion too.

5) "Reception" is badly written. "Zac Bertschy wrote blah blah" "Ryotaro Aoki wrote blah" ???? Needs a rewrite.

Yeah, meaning the article needs a complete rewrite. Sorry for bad english. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.38.208.254 (talk) 20:02, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Well if you love Homura so much and know more about her than us, why not do it yourself? Not trying to be rude here. DarkFallenAngel (talk) 00:22, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Ahem, yeah. I've already said I'm not fluent in English. If English was my language then I would have edited this article on my own without asking anyone's help and would've nominate it to GA status too. Again, I don't see any wrong if we help each other to rewrite this messy article. I'll link the sources and all feel free to use them please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.38.208.254 (talk) 00:45, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Please rewrite the "Reception" section, seeing a WatchMojo top ten cited therein among other "critics" is really cringy. I've not removed it myself since I'm not sure if it would be considered inappropriate to remove only a single entry from the list. It definitely needs to be tidied up. (78.13.110.7 (talk) 05:56, 17 July 2018 (UTC))

See? I'm not the only one who thought the reception section is bad. @78.13.110.7 You can re-write the section if you want. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.147.11.16 (talk) 22:33, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Creation
https://feral-phoenix.livejournal.com/685568.html Rebellion interview and on how "Homura grows".

https://wiki.puella-magi.net/Blu-Ray_Volume_2_Booklet Chiwa Saito comments on Homura.

https://wiki.puella-magi.net/Puella_Magi_Madoka_Magica_Official_Guidebook_%22You_Are_Not_Alone%22

https://wiki.puella-magi.net/Sports_Hochi_Madoka_Special_2

Will add the other sources later! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.38.208.254 (talk) 02:20, 11 June 2018 (UTC)


 * These sources directly aren't usable, as they are user-generated. We need some sources which are reliable. Do you have any of those? They are hard to come by in English, and Google Translate does not work well with Asian languages (and I personally don't even know where to start looking). If you could help with translation, maybe we could use some of the latter. (English proficiency is not necessary.) If you are uncomfortable contributing in English, maybe one of the other Wikipedias listed at d:Q11514862 will better suit you and then another person can work on translation. --Izno (talk) 23:14, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

These sources are mostly interviews with the staff of the series or news published in a popular magazine. We can use them by writing "cite book" or something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.203.175.252 (talk) 20:58, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Characterization and themes
http://www.mdpi.com/2076-0787/5/2/20/htm

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10583-018-9355-9

https://kotaku.com/the-new-modoka-magica-movie-is-the-sequel-you-never-kne-1453844468

http://www.uk-anime.net/anime/Puella_Magi_Madoka_Magica_the_Movie:_Part_3_-_Rebellion.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.203.175.252 (talk) 21:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Change image
The image doesn't look good for the article. I say a screenshot is better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.203.175.252 (talk) 21:20, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Clean up
Hey guys, I'm back! My gosh...I haven't checked this article for a really long time and when I come back it's still the same? You kidding guys?

Okay this article really needs a clean up. It's empty, badly-written, and the reception section is all over the place. I have no idea what to do to save this poor article so somebody better do something or at least help me, please. Why create this article in the first place when you never wanted to write about the character? Just to make the character look bad?

If we discuss on how to improve the article, then hopefully we can pass it to GA status, someday.

First thing that's needed is a picture, a screenshot. I think I'll find a good one to use so maybe I'll upload it later. Now, we should mainly focus on the development section. And once we're done, we can clean the reception section cause god, it looks so bad. It's ruining the article. And "themes" section can be expanded later. Appearances section would be the last to edit! So please guys, help me to make this into a good article. Then I can edit Madoka's too and create for the other characters, they also need some love! So please, please help!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.38.63.17 (talk) 21:40, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Please, help!
Guys, please, please reply to me and help! Please, I beg you. This article really needs a clean up. Development section has been in need of major expansion for now, and again in desperate need of writing the appearance section and rewriting the reception. Please, help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.161.66.181 (talk) 19:05, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Alias: Transfer-student: Doesn't Sayaka keeps calling her Transfer-student? Shouldn't we add that to her infobox? 178.161.66.181 (talk) 19:50, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Picture: I know that it's difficult to find a picture without violating copyright etc, but currently, the image of Homura is not what shee appears in the series. That render is for the game, Madoka Portable. Is it okay if I remove it now? It really doesn't look good in the article...I mean why is Homura angry lol? 178.161.66.181 (talk) 19:50, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Lede: I want to expand it but the problem is that the article is still incomplete, a messy one. Since Homura recieved acclaim from critics, I think we should add it at the top but there's one thing, what should I write? I mean, like this: Homura has garnered critical acclaim, critics praised her ????? Praised her for what??? 178.161.66.181 (talk) 19:50, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Characteristics: I wish we can add this to the article. It would really be helpful to describe her and all.

Damn, I found many links, newspaper etc. I wish English was my language :( I also found many analaysis for the characters (will create an article for the other characters later when I'm done with this one first) that can be added to expand the Characterization and themes section. Guys, please help me. At least give me an idea on how to start with the sentences and all. Please reply! Don't ignore me, please, I beg you! 178.161.66.181 (talk) 19:50, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Guys why aren't you replying? Please reply! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.128.85.54 (talk) 14:56, 26 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I suggest creating an account first. Dark<b style="color:gold">Fal</b><b style="color:orange">len</b><b style="color:indigo">Ang</b><b style="color:blue">el</b> (talk) 16:28, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Why? To leave funny comments about my English on my talk page? No thanks, not gonna make an account. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.128.85.54 (talk) 16:52, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I absolutely have no idea where you got such a ridiculous thought. I simply want you to create an account so that you can edit in a sandbox and comment here whenever you are making progress, but whatever. <b style="color:green">Da</b><b style="color:red">rk</b><b style="color:gold">Fal</b><b style="color:orange">len</b><b style="color:indigo">Ang</b><b style="color:blue">el</b> (talk) 20:27, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Oh I'm very sorry then! I'll see if I can create an account but I really should make one. So can we create an article for the other characters too please? They really do deserve to have an article on Wiki! Maybe we can first write their reception section and keep their article here for a while, once we're done with Homura's article we can go back to the them and improve them all. Also, Homura'a article really do have a potential to improve and become a GA status, just look at the links I added, there's still many many more! I'll add them later. So please, if we work together we definitely can improve all of Madoka character's article. After that happens, I'm also planning on creating an article for Magia Record characters but first I'll wait for the anime adaptation so that we can get an interviews, popularity polls and such.

I know it's too early to speak about it but we can also create a "Characterization and themes" section for the Madoka characters! The series has been analyzed by many journalists and critics so creating a section for it won't be difficult. Guys, please, please help me! 94.129.91.193 (talk) 17:46, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Heyyy!! I have created an account!! NotEnglishSpeaker (talk) 01:40, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Similarities to Paradise lost's Lucifer
While reading some analysis of Homura, critics/journalists compared Homura's character at the end of Rebellion to that of Satan of Paradise Lost. So I thought that if we expand the "characterization and themes" section, we should add a picture of and write, "The character of Homura in Rebellion has been compared to Paradise Lost's Lucifer by critics". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.129.91.193 (talk) 20:10, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Sources, newspapers, interviews and analysis
Development: One part 2 two three four five 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Rebellion

There's still many more. To use these sources we can just write -cite book-. No need to use them all.

Reception: One two three

I'll search for the others and add them later. NotEnglishSpeaker (talk) 01:41, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Just gonna leave these here for Merchandise section.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-09-25/listen-to-kyubey-magical-girls-on-madoka-magica-headphones/.106807 https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2012-02-21/mercedes-benz-offers-madoka-magica-cars-for-test-drives https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2012-08-01/madoka-magica-gets-mastercard-credit-card https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2013-10-30/new-madoka-magica-merch-sees-homura-cu-poche-and-nightmare-plush https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2013-10-16/lawson-goes-all-out-with-puella-magi-madoka-magica-candy-and-merchandise NotEnglishSpeaker (talk) 08:12, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Other media: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2015-09-08/himouto-umaruchan-recent-episode-features-several-anime-spoofs/.92643 NotEnglishSpeaker (talk) 08:14, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Progress
I am really trying so hard to transform Homura into a good article. How am I doing so far? Thoughts? Suggestions? I know the article is nowhere near nomination status but I would just like to have some thoughts on this article and some suggestions. Also, how's the reception section? Did it improve? NotEnglishSpeaker (talk) 04:15, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Just looking through it quickly, I can say the Development section can use some work, the Appearances section may be a bit too detailed, but the Reception section is excellently extensive. I should go through the whole article and copy-edit it at some point next week (please tag me if I forget). You're doing good work :) ~ Maplestrip/Mable ( chat ) 08:21, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The Reception and Appearances sections looks good. The Development section on the other hand, needs some work. <b style="color:green">Da</b><b style="color:red">rk</b><b style="color:gold">Fal</b><b style="color:orange">len</b><b style="color:indigo">Ang</b><b style="color:blue">el</b> (talk) 02:37, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah ok. I will work on the development section now. NotEnglishSpeaker (talk) 13:47, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! Will work on the development section after I complete the "Appearances" (will try to make it shorter) and "Analysis" section! By the way, I'm still not familiar with the rules of Wikipedia, what does "copy-edit" mean? :) NotEnglishSpeaker (talk) 15:44, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

So I just archived the whole page and left two topics only. After few days/or maybe even weeks, I will my best to write and expand the development section. Firstly, I will try to expand the other sections, and do some clean-up. Right now, I'm going to mostly focus on Kyubey's article for now since he's so much easier to write, and then maybe Madoka's too. Then I will also try to create articles for Sayaka, Kyoko and Mami. I just wish you guys could only check and correct my grammar! That's all I'm asking for! NotEnglishSpeaker (talk) 08:53, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Analysis
Found some analysis for Homura on books.google

The Encyclopedia of Japanese Horror Films - Page 253-254

Japanese Aesthetics and Anime: The Influence of Tradition - Page 100

The Girl at the End of Time: Temporality, (P)remediation, and Narrative Freedom in Puella Magi Madoka Magica

The Dark, Twisted Magical Girls: Shōjo Heroines in Puella Magi Madoka Magica

Becoming the Labyrinth: Negotiating Magical Space and Identity in Puella Magi Madoka Magica

Revelations: An In-depth Look at the Themes and Symbols of Puella Magi Madoka Magica

The Very Soil: An Unauthorized Critical Study of Puella Magi Madoka Magica

Others:

The New Madoka Magica Movie is the Sequel You Never Knew Was Needed

Psychopathy, Feminism, and Narrative Agency in Madoka Magica: Kyubey’s Story — Preceding unsigned comment added by NotEnglishSpeaker (talk • contribs) 03:54, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

New Homura book
"New Madoka Magica Book May Finally Tell Us What Homura's Deal Is". Gosh, it's almost 2019 and Homura's character is still being analaysed...wow. If this gets an English translation then please post it here. NotEnglishSpeaker (talk) 22:17, 12 December 2018 (UTC)