Talk:Honda Fit/Archive 1

Just to note a bit of clarification on a comment left in the history page: "Keeping article name Jazz is Eurocentric"

The name Jazz is not used only in Europe. It is used in all of the countries that Honda operates in outside of Japan, China, and the Western Hemisphere. That means it is used in Europe, Africa, the Middle East, Asia (except China and Japan), Australia, and New Zealand.


 * It was supposed to be called the "Fitta" in Europe. Which made the Norwegian importer spill his morning coffee, probably, as it's rather crude slang for female genitalia. More than just being a slightly amusing story, it also illustrates the rather real problems associated with trying to find new words for a whole planet that does not already mean something, as it were, unfitting.


 * This is a much less offensive way of explaining the definition than the rather blunt term used in the article - any objections to a minor rephrasing? TunaSunrise 03:25, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Why "Fit"
Why the Fit? Why not the Jazz. Jazz sounds much classier than "Fit".
 * It should be oriented towards the readers of this article which are english speakers. Largest audience is in North America where people know it as the "Fit".  Although it maybe more popular in Europe and elsewhere, then perhaps Jazz should be the name.  Daniel.Cardenas 18:29, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, the article should be called "Fit" because that's what it's called in its native Japan. --Pc13 13:27, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I wasn't questioning the article name, I was questioning the car name.


 * Honda Fit in Brazil. Also it is manufactured in Brazil - monthly around 3500 cars.--Harpia Amazon 14:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

The red dotted-i?
Here in Jakarta (and other parts of Indonesia, I suppose), the red dot above the "J" is almost always missing. Initially due to vandalism, but eventually by the owners themselves (to save vandals the trouble). As far as I know, no MSM has dignified the matter worthy of press ink, partially since it seems to already be considered common knowledge but apparently also because the vandalisms have not caused enough public distress to be deemed 'newsworthy'; though I'd very much love to be proven wrong. Does something similar also happen in other countries? How about the dots on 'i'-s for Honda Fits? --Lemi4 15:05, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * A client of mine, that hates badges on his cars, has removed the word "Fit" and almost all other badges from his U.S. Fit, but placed the blue dot top-middle the rear Honda "H" (which looks like it cannot be removed easily). I don't think he has thought about someone stealing the dot. I don't remember Honda getting fancy like this with their badge-work before.--Charles Gaudette 21:09, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Top image
So it seems we have a problem figuring out what top image to use. I would like to see thie one in place while IFCAR would like to use this one. A fair enough debate to bring to the rest of the editors in my opinion. My argument for the red would be as follows: IFCAR's argument against would seem to be resolution isn't important on a thumb (which I, for the most part, agree with), red isn't a signature color of Honda (which is ridiculous, heard of "Red Drivers/Riders" before?), and the blue vehicle "better depicts the car" (would be interesting to hear what that means to them). Don't forget there are more free use images here and here to consider. Thoughts? Roguegeek (talk) 15:58, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * higher resolution
 * Honda corporate color is red
 * vehicle is unregistered with no license plate bracket installed so the image appears less region-specific
 * Saying that the top image needs to be red because Honda once had an advertising campaign is inconsistent with other Wikipedia articles and is never mentioned in the text. The angle on the blue Fit is better than the red one, so it shows the car better. Seems straightforward to me. IFCAR 16:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, no one else seems to care. How do you intend to settle it? IFCAR 22:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Just by making the change without an agreement is one way, I suppose. IFCAR 11:46, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Give it time. Hopefully more will come. Roguegeek (talk) 19:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the red one would look better if it were cropped so there wasn't so much space around the edges. Still though I prefer the Blue Fit that User:IFCAR uploaded as the top image. Can't explain it, it's just more aesthetically pleasing.  ren0  talk  05:20, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Jazz badge in North America?
I know that the car is/was being marketed as a "Fit" here in the States, but just a few days ago I spotted a Honda Fit with a "Jazz" badge. I'm located nowhere near the Mexican or Canadian borders, so I seriously doubt it's from out of the country--is Honda selling the Jazz here now? --76.26.198.20 03:13, 18 September 2007 (UTC) KeplerNiko


 * Might have been someone who retrofitted a Jazz badge on an American Fit, just for the heck of it. Still interesting, though.  Mike Helms 10:22, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Addition of 5 speed automatic transmission
On the section where it lists the different transmissions offered for the 2nd generation Fit,there is also a 5-speed automatic transmission that's only offered with the all wheel drive Fit.

http://www.autobytel-japan.com/catalog/HO64.html

67.181.84.209 (talk) 17:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

The picture is WAY too big!
Maybe it's just my browser, but the main picture in the article looks HUGE! 71.11.215.216 (talk) 22:00, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Second-gen edit feedback
An editor has decided to make, what I believe, is a major edit to the second-gen section. I oppose this and think an edit like this should be brought to the group of editors. I'm not of the opinion one editor should be making a large edit such as this without discussion and the blind reverting of the opposition leads me to believe an edit war is easily within reach. I figure I'd bring it here to see what everyone's thoughts are. So, thoughts? Roguegeek (talk) 16:50, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Honda Fit hybrid
Consider the source. Nihon Keizai Shimbun is Japan's version of the Wall Street Journal.

I have stated it as a rumour, but they are stating it as fact. Ng.j 23:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Looks like Honda changed direction and will go with something else. Ng.j 23:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Either way, this article is not self consistent on the topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.95.98 (talk) 05:05, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Top of Page Image
I'm going to change the top image to that of the most recent model. As per IFCAR's disagreements on the page for the Honda Insight I would argue that many coming to WP looking at automobiles are usually most interested in the most recent iteration of that vehicle, and as both images are of equal quality, I see no reason against having the most recent model as the top image, as is the general standard across similar pages on WP. I am interested to hear other Wikipedian's input on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThomasAndrewNimmo (talk • contribs) 16:29, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


 * There was a very long discussion on it that formalized the WP:Autos convention: "The image selected for an article's top (lead) infobox does not need to show any particular version or generation of the vehicle, such as the latest, the last, the first, the best-selling, or any other. Vehicle production date is not a factor when determining the quality of an image and its suitability to illustrate the lead infobox."


 * It is not a factor. It is irrelevant. If you want to reopen debate on the general policy -- rather than on specific cases -- you're doing it in the wrong place. IFCAR (talk) 16:33, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Power Safety?
"In keeping with Honda's safety initiative, the Fit was offered in North America with power windows," It's not obvious to me how power windows enhance safety. I've heard it argued that they detract from it, since a power failure (as is likely to happen if your car goes in the water) can trap you in the car. Isaac R (talk) 20:31, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the safety part might be that the windows will sense if they are closing on someone and automatically reverse direction. I think the original author of that sentence was copying safety features and missed a bit of info on the windows. 67.8.169.120 (talk) 09:07, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Maybe they're equipped with automatic hammers, no but really, I don't think I have encountered powered safety windows on any honda model I've ridden in that reverse direction. It's usually the unusual noises I make when my neck/head/fingers/arm gets closed in the window that the driver decides to revers the window. Neither the honda CR-V, Prelude (Pre 2002) or Honda Civic (2004 LX) have had the decency to not hurt me with windows. I'm not saying that it's improbable to add that feature but I just think that the article lacks clarity in that sense. 71.94.63.105 (talk) 19:24, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

honda city bulkhead
I would like to know if the honda city bulk head and the fit bulk head are the same ? let me know if they are the same or which bulk head could work on the 2004 honda city. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.138.28.54 (talk) 21:05, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Curb Weight Correct?
Is that accurate? Does the car really weigh over a ton with fluids and all? I mean what is it made of dyecast iron, or something, if that is accurate it weighs more than a chevy s-10 pickup (I think). Although it is possible that what I've been told about car weighting and such is a bit skewed, so that could be just it, but still, what is up? 71.94.63.105 (talk) 19:33, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes. This is about right.  2300 lb is one of the lightest cars currently available in the U.S.  Look up the new Mini Cooper for example.  -- Bdentremont (talk) 04:17, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * According to Edmunds.com, a late year (2003) Chevy S-10 pickup base model 2 door 2WD regular cab short bed with 4 cylinder 2.2 L engine and manual transmission has a curb weight of 3,016 lb ; a LS 4WD crew cab short bed with 4.3 L V6 weighs about 4,039 lb. North wiki (talk) 18:27, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Production in the Philippines
An editor added the Philippines as location of production in info box, but I can only find production of Honda City. Can anyone confirm if Honda Fit is produced there? North wiki (talk) 08:17, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Not a hatchback?
It's rear windows is almost vertical (very 'nice'), so can it be considered a true hatchback? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.240.234.212 (talk • contribs)


 * True, but the angle of the rear window is not the only determining factor to classify a vehicle a hatchback. Roguegeek (talk) 10:03, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Does hatchback not mean "A car with a door in the back" ? I mean it isn't a SUV or Van is it? Aryeonos 71.94.63.105 (talk) 19:16, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * An estate-car has a door in the back. That doesn't make it a hatchback. 85.230.46.4 (talk) 15:30, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


 * From the article "Hatchback", "Hatchback vehicles are functionally similar to station wagons (which are intended to carry large volumes), but distinguished by a (much) smaller load area. The typical hatchback roof rakes down steeply behind the C-Pillar, resulting in very little car length behind the rear wheels and thus no room for a side window over the load area." This statement sits right beside a picture label "Citroën Traction Avant hatchback" with a window behind the C-pillar!  The Fit has a very small such window, but indeed a much shorter length to the load area compared to a traditional wagon (or Estate car).  In my Fit (2007 U.S. spec.) there is only 18in (460-530mm) from top of the seat back to the rear hatch.  However, the cargo area is tall and wide and the seats fold unusually low so that I can fit stuff back there that would be difficult or impossible in the much larger Mercury Sable wagon my sister used to have.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdentremont (talk • contribs) 20:50, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Fuel enconomy
The article could use more information on fuel economy, as seen in Honda CR-Z and Honda Insight. Some guy (talk) 00:05, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Honda Fit - hybrid premium

 * "Company officials have indicated that the Fit Hybrid will not be offered for sale in North America, ... because they do not think North American buyers will be willing to pay the US$4,800 premium for the Fit Hybrid."

I don't think the use of US$4,800 as the premium for the Fit hybrid is appropriate when referring to the U.S. market. I think, the US$ equivalent amount is the conversion of the price difference in Japanese market between Fit hybrid and Fit base model equipped with 1.3L engine, which is not offered in North American market. To use the description of 'US$4,800 premium' may mislead some readers to think it is referring to the base model offered in the North American market.---North wiki (talk) 01:57, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Regardless of the merit of your argument (you are making assumptions vs a quote from a RS), at least explain this is due to the price premium, out of the quote, and w/o mentioning the amount. As it is now it reads weird.-Mariordo (talk) 02:59, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I hope I'm not stepping into an argument just for argument's sake. 1. I remove the dollar amount because I don't think the executive of Honda would put a dollar amount on it as any such pricing info. is internal and depends quite a bit on the prevailing currency exchange rate; 2. there're many RS around and not everything coming from a RS means it can't be wrong (see all those errors and corrections if there's one bother to raise questions and there're many erroneous reports that went thru' without any) or be refuted; 3. I hope I'm not trying to put my personal judgement and speculation above all else but I simply hope common sense can prevail. I found another source and hope it satisfies our requirements. Anyway, thanks for not rv.---North wiki (talk) 20:28, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I was not trying to begin a discussion. Your last edit solves my concern. See you around.-Mariordo (talk) 21:23, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Reviews, Reception etc
There is a move to begin including broad "the Fit was received well" type statements, which frankly open a pandoras box to begin including pro and con type statements about the car. I'm all for leaving this type of info out of the article... but if it gets included, it needs to be from neutral, reliable sources, and needs to include positive and negative. Again, I'm all for leaving it out. 842U (talk) 18:26, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Advert. tag
The article was tagged for "written like an advertisement". Please discuss. ---North wiki (talk) 11:54, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Regional information
I think these sections have to go. There is no reason to list every country the car is sold in along with largely repetitive trim options. Unless someone has a better idea, I'm going to condense them into a brief section. --Leivick (talk) 04:19, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I like the regional information. But I think in Canada, Cruise Control is not standard but only starts with LX trim level (2012, 2013). 142.134.23.84 (talk) 04:20, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Fit EV deserves its own page
The Fit EV has enough EV specific things to talk about that I think it deserves its own page. Also, the charging/recharging section needs to be expanded. What type of charger does the Fit EV use? Brentonstrine (talk) 18:43, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Apples and Oranges
Re: "The new electric motor is up to 98 percent efficient, contrast to the typical 15 percent efficiency of a gasoline engine.", this is comparing apples and oranges. A more fair comparison would be to compare how many miles each goes on a barrel of crude oil ( [ crude --> refinery --> gasoline --> engine --> miles traveled ] vs. [ crude --> refinery --> fuel oil --> power plant --> charger --> battery --> electric motor --> miles traveled ] ) This would have to be followed by information about how the numbers differ with nuclear, hydroelectric, wind, solar etc. That's a lot of work, but it would be a nice stand alone article. We could call it Efficiency of Electric vs. Fossil-fuel-powered vehicles. Are any of you EV enthusiasts or engineers game?

In the meantime, does anyone have a suggestion for a replacement of the misleading 98%/15% comparison? --Guy Macon (talk) 00:06, 22 February 2013 (UTC)


 * How about including a comparison between a new Fit and a 20-yr old Geo Metro. Often in comparisons, the Metro at 53mpg (hiway) is ahead in fuel consumption .  So does that mean gas-powered cars are more efficient? Or does fuel consumption have nothing to do with efficiency? Santamoly (talk) 21:46, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

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