Talk:Honda HA-420 HondaJet/Archive 1

HondaJet
Ok, I started it, someone changed it a lot but at least they edited it properly so no worries. But someone does need to add a picture of the jet which can be found on the official website or in Google Images. There's also an awesome video of the flight on the site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.48.193.69 (talk • contribs)

Materials used?
I'd love to know the materials used. Percentage of aluminum, titanium, composite... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.16.169.82 (talk • contribs) 15:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Engine pods?
What does the engine configuration have to do with fuselage space? Does anyone have a good explanation of why the engine pod configuration decreases drag? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.137.214.238 (talk • contribs) 19:09, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Some general links: NASA CalState Aircraft Propulsion and Gas Turbine Engines page 440-442 (not visible) as well as Fujino's publications. TGCP (talk) 23:53, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * A fuselage-mounted engine requires fuselage structure to support it. This means added depth to the fuselage in this area for "columns-and-beams", likely an extra 6" on each side where the engine attaches.  On the wings, the engine simply attaches to wing spar structure, making for several slightly heavier spars, but nothing much else. Santamoly (talk) 05:40, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Toilet
Does anyone know if the Honda Jet comes with a toilet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.129.151.172 (talk) 10:19, 8 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Fully private aft lavatory according to the brochure . MilborneOne (talk) 11:33, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Top Speed?
Is it time to add the 425 KTAS (489 mph) top speed? http://hondajet.honda.com/news/article.aspx?ArticleType=pressrelease&CatType=news_detail_100.xml Is the FAA test reported through Honda's press release a good enough source? mattclare (talk) 14:53, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

New Specs Link
I am going to update the specs and the link, since the old link is now broken.Danjw1 (talk) 00:17, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

I have updated the specs to what is on the page. There is currently no useful load or MTOW listed on the specs, I am not sure if I should remove them. Also, it wasn't sure about how to add landing and takeoff distances. These are not exact since the are both prefixed with a "<". Since Honda has started production on the jet, the specs should be pretty stable.Danjw1 (talk) 00:58, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Also, the production section states that Honda announced the entry to production on November 5th, but this article which is dated November 2nd, talks about it: http://www.gizmag.com/hondajet-production/24813/ and this press release is dated October 29th 2012: http://hondajet.honda.com/news/article.aspx?ArticleType=pressrelease&CatType=news_detail_126.xml&bhcp=1 Danjw1 (talk) 01:12, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Request from Honda Aircraft Company
Hello, my name is Craig Carter. I'm here on behalf of Honda Aircraft Company. I have a few edits that I would like your help making.

"The HF120 was test-flown both on a Cessna Citation and a modified Boeing 727-100. The engine features a single fan, a two-stage compressor and a two-stage turbine."

should be...

"The HF120 was test-flown on a Cessna Citation CJ1. The engine features a single fan, a two-stage compressor and a two-stage turbine. The GE Honda HF120 received FAA type certification on December 13, 2013.

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"Honda claims that the combination of lightweight materials, aerodynamics and efficient engines gives the HondaJet as much as 35% higher fuel efficiency than similar aircraft."

should be...

"Honda claims that the combination of lightweight materials, aerodynamics and efficient engines gives the HondaJet up to 20% better fuel efficiency than similar aircraft. "

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"HondaJet had 18 confirmed orders in 2014."

should be...

"HondaJet had more than 100 confirmed orders in 2014."

Source is still the same, but this should be more than 100 orders.

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Also, some tweaks to the Specifications section. Some information has been added and updated on the website and formatting has been tweaked to make it better mirror the site and easier to read.

General Characteristics

 * Crew: 1 - 2 crew members
 * Capacity: 5 - 6 passengers

Exterior Dimensions

 * Length: 42.62 ft (12.99 m)
 * Wingspan: 39.76 ft (12.12 m)
 * Height: 14.90 ft (4.54 m)

Interior Dimensions

 * Height: 4.80 ft (1.46 m)
 * Length: 17.80 ft (5.43 m)
 * Width: 5.00 ft (1.52 m)

External Baggage Space

 * Total: 66 cubic feet
 * Within aft section: 57 cubic feet
 * Within nose section: 9 cubic feet

Engines

 * 2 × GE Honda HF120 turbofan engines, 2,050 lbf (9.12 kN) thrust each (Bypass Ratio= 2.9)

Performance

 * Maximum cruise speed: 483 mph (420 KTAS) TAS 778 km/h at FL300
 * Maximum cruise altitude: 43,000 ft (FL430)
 * Range: 1,180 nautical miles; (1,358 mi; 2,185 km) NBAA IFR (4 occupants)
 * Rate of climb: 3,990 ft/min (20.27 m/s)

If you have any questions or concerns, please reach out to my talk page or my wikipedia email.

Thank you,

CraigCarterPace (talk) 19:19, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Requested edits all properly sourced. I've made the changes. Thanks. Wilipino (talk) 02:41, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Request from Honda Aircraft Company - February, 2015
Hello, my name is Craig Carter. I'm here on behalf of Honda Aircraft Company. Thank you so much for making the previous edits. I have a few more that I would like your help making.

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Change the intro sentence from:

The Honda HA-420 HondaJet is the first general aviation aircraft developed by the Honda Aircraft Company.

to:

The Honda HA-420 HondaJet is the first aircraft developed by Honda Aircraft Company. The light business jet is being developed and manufactured in Greensboro, North Carolina, USA.

[reference for the statement above] News-Record.com “Greensboro-made HondaJet debuts at Wisconsin airshow. “ Retrieved Jan. 29, 2015
 * This is ✅.-- CaroleHenson (talk) 08:25, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Program Milestones
Adding a new "Program Milestones" section after the "Specifications" section. The references below are in the same order as the program milestones (e.g., Wings Magazine is the reference for the first bullet point "The proof-of-concept..." and so on and so forth).


 * The proof-of-concept HondaJet achieved first flight on Dec. 3, 2003. The flight took place at Piedmont Triad International Airport in Greensboro.
 * The HondaJet made its world debut on July 28, 2005, at EAA AirVenture in Oshkosh.
 * Honda announced on July 25, 2006 at EAA AirVenture Oshkosh that it would commercialize the HondaJet.
 * The first FAA-conforming HondaJet achieved its first flight on Dec. 20, 2010.
 * On March 11, 2011, the first FAA-conforming HondaJet achieved a maximum speed of 425KTAS (489 mph) at 30,000 feet, and Mach 0.72 above 30,000 feet.
 * On April 27, 2011, the first FAA-conforming HondaJet achieved its maximum operating altitude of 43,000 feet.
 * The third FAA-conforming HondaJet achieved its first flight on Nov. 18, 2011.
 * The fourth FAA-conforming HondaJet achieved its first flight on May 4, 2012.
 * In October 2012, Honda Aircraft Company announced it had moved into aircraft production.
 * On May 16, 2013, the fifth FAA-conforming HondaJet made its first flight. The aircraft is blue and features a gold stripe.
 * On Dec. 20, 2013, the FAA issued Type Inspection Authorization for the HondaJet.
 * On May 19, 2014, Honda Aircraft announced that the first production HondaJet was in final assembly with its first flight anticipated in the summer. Nine aircraft were on the assembly line.
 * The first production HondaJet achieved its initial flight on June 27, 2014.
 * At EAA AirVenture Oshkosh 2014, the first production HondaJet made its public debut on July 28, 2014.
 * At NBAA 2014 in Orlando, Florida, Honda Aircraft reported that the first production aircraft had begun a demonstration tour to North American with HondaJet dealers.

[references for the bullet points in relative order]

Wingsmagazine.com “Driven to Succeed.” Retrieved June 5, 2014.

AINonline.com “HondaJet makes world debut at EAA AirVenture.” Retrieved June 5, 2014.

AINonline.com (Nov. 14, 2006). “Honda Gives Green Light for HondaJet.” Retrieved June 5, 2014.

Blogs.WSJ.com (Dec. 22, 2010). “New HondaJet Makes First Flight.” Retrieved June 5, 2014.

AINonline.com (March 31, 2011). “Conforming HondaJet Reaches Top Speed.” Retrieved June 5, 2014.

AINonline.com (June 2011). “Conforming HondaJet Hits Max Speed, Altitude.” Retrieved June 5, 2014.

Gizmag.com (Dec. 22, 2011). “Latest HondaJet test aircraft lifts-off.” Retrieved June 5, 2014.

AINonline.com (May 13, 2012). “Fourth Conforming HondaJet Joins Test Flee.” Retrieved June 5, 2014.

AOPA.org (Oct. 29, 2012). “HondaJet production underway in NC.” Retrieved June 5, 2014.

Forbes.com (May 21, 2013). “From the Highways to the Skyways: Honda’s New Jet Prepares for Takeoff.” Retrieved June 5, 2014.

AOPA.org (Dec. 20, 2013). “HondaJet ready for FAA flight tests.” Retrieved June 5, 2014.

AINonline.com “First Production HondaJet Planned to Fly This Summer.” (May 19, 2014). Retrieved June 5, 2014.

Fly-Corporate.com “First Production HondaJet Takes Off.” Retrieved Jan. 27, 2015.

MidwestFlyer.com “First Production HondaJet Makes Public Debut At AirVenture.” Retrieved Jan. 27, 2015.

AOPA.org “HondaJet preparing for deliveries in 2015.” Retrieved Jan. 27, 2015.

Posted 5 February 2015‎ by CraigCarterPace


 * Hi,
 * Some of this seems like unnecessary detail for an encyclopedia article. For instance, "The HondaJet made its world debut on July 28, 2005, at EAA AirVenture in Oshkosh." seems more noteworthy than recording first flights of each jet. Is it possible to select items that are the strongest key milestones?
 * Just wondering, why put it in a milestone section rather than incorporate it in body of the article or in a history section?-- CaroleHenson (talk) 08:40, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and integrated the items, . Rather than in a list, it's in prose now in a "History and milestone" section. Prose is preferable to lists.-- CaroleHenson (talk) 00:58, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the bullet points were requested because of Embraer_Phenom_100. I prefer bullet points over prose, for clarity. I also think the history section is too detailed, but I refrain from reduction for now. It's nice to see a CoI-person being so civil and cooperative. TGCP (talk) 08:03, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * and, I see your point, TGCP. The article, though, would then be composed mostly of list information - and likely get tagged for prose. I wonder, maybe the milestones could go in the production section? How would that be?-- CaroleHenson (talk) 16:25, 28 March 2015 (UTC)


 * and, Either solution would be fine, unless you would like us to take some time to revise our edits so that the history section isn't so "listy." Then we could place just the most important events in a separate section. Let me know. CraigCarterPace (talk) 19:56, 28 March 2015 (UTC)


 * and, Either approach would work. I see that there have been more edits made, but they seem fine. It does seem, though, that there are too many external links. If there's content that can be accessed via the corporate website, is there a need to have separate bullets here for some of the info? (See WP:External links).-- CaroleHenson (talk) 21:15, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I am working my way through the External links to convert them to references, but I am getting tired. TGCP (talk) 21:43, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * and, I'll be sure to bring this up to our client on Monday. I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Thank you for your help. CraigCarterPace (talk) 21:32, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Craig, the links The Innovation Issue and Honda Brings Small-Jet Dynamo to Market seem dead. The others seem fine. TGCP (talk) 21:43, 28 March 2015 (UTC)


 * It is very unusual and rare to have a seperate section names "milestones" and any such notable events should be just added to the development section per normal practice. MilborneOne (talk) 21:35, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Let's correct that in Phenom100 as well. TGCP (talk) 21:43, 28 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I have MilborneOne (talk) 22:03, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Factory
Had a tidy up of the article to remove a lot of trivia and it says the first "FAA-conforming" (whatver that is) flew in 2010 but the factory wasnt completed until 2011. Anybody know where it was built? MilborneOne (talk) 21:54, 28 March 2015 (UTC)