Talk:Honda Shadow

This article appears to either infringe (or be infringed upon) by shadowforums.org's Bob Maynard. Take a look at. I believe the historical information on the Honda Shadow would be considered copyright infringment from [1] one way or the other (highly doubtful that this many bytes of exact text can be considered an excerpt...). Perhaps tracking down this Bob Maynard fellow would be a good idea?

Giminy 04:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Looking for links to model specific forums, more/better pictures, links to pdf's of manuals, links to amazon to purchase manuals/repair guides.

Also need 1999-2006 model summary, curren tsummary ends in 1998.

Abe

Shadow Spirit = Wide Glide
I've owned both Hondas and Harley's over the past 35 years, and had the opportunity to own both a 1995 Honda VT1100C Shadow and a Harley FXDWG Wide Glide at the same time. Parking the bikes next to each other, it was striking how much they looked alike. The key styling cue was the bobbed rear fender. Of course, they sounded nothing alike... Boomer 04:01, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Counter-intuitive
The following lines seem counter-intuitive

"The Shadow is available in several sizes, ranging from the leaner 125cc model to a much larger 1100cc (as the 1300cc-to-1800cc Honda VTX Series does not share the Shadow name). All Shadow cruisers are equipped with V-twin engines. In spite of this, the top speed of a 2001 Shadow 125cc, for example, is a remarkable 80 miles per hour."

How can it be inspite of and also be remarkable? How can the top speed be inspite of having the v-twin engine?

Does this make sense? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalheadgeek (talk • contribs) 17:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Easy way to deal with it: I've removed the claim about the top speed of the 125. It's uncited, and therefore "original research", aka "I once saw my speedo tremble above 75 while slipstreaming a coach plummeting down a mountainside with a following wind".  If the 125 can maintain 80mph (on the flat), let's see a credible source for it.  This is not a biker anecdote blog. Rogerborg (talk) 13:10, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Fast and loose
This article takes lots of literary liberty, often representing opinions or impressions as fact. I seriously doubt that a Shadow 125 could reach 80 MPH, for example; the Rebel 250, which is similar in design and size but produces considerably more power, will barely go 70 MPH, and a Kawasaki Ninja 250, a faired motorcycle that makes nearly three times the power of a Shadow 125, tops out at about 85.

Also, the Shadow, a line of V-twin, mostly 750/1100cc touring-class motorcycles, could hardly have been intended to "replace" the Rebel, a line of inline-twin, 300-pound commuter-class bikes.

Some interesting material here, but poor credibility undermines any accurate facts. Bonehed (talk) 03:28, 26 July 2008 (UTC)


 * If only there were some way to remove the uncited claims! Rogerborg (talk) 13:12, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Related to the CX?
Is there any evidence that the Shadow shares any significant 'technical underpinnings' with the CX series? Both are shaft drive water cooled twins, but almost everything else is different--V angle, pushrod vs OHC, Transmission under engine vs transmission behind engine, 4 valve vs 3 valve, longitudinal vs transverse, traditional heads vs twisted heads... Sevesteen (talk) 14:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

VT 125 differences,discontinued?
Apart from it being chain driven instead of shaft like the others it's looks it's not being made or at least not being sold in Europe. Pleasetry (talk) 21:51, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I didn't find any direct statments on it being discontinued, viewing old hondas website using archive.org shows the last sighting of the bike in 2008, afflos post here at 03-28-2009, 06:29 PM doesn't mention it in the line up and Honda_XL125V_Varadero claimed that bike used the same engine and had to be modified to meet the Euro III Emission standards in 2007.Pleasetry (talk) 18:53, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Model trims confused and incorrect
In the article, "From 2000 to 2007, the Honda Shadow Sabre replaced the VT1100 until the 1,100 cc class was discontinued.." I own a 2007 Shadow Spirit, VT1100C1. The Sabre was the VT1100C2, a different trim model. The VT1100 designation did not exist without a C qualifier of some sort, as far as I know, certainly in that model year. VT1100C was apparently used on earlier models without a number after, but not in that year; VT1100C1 was a Spirit; VT1100C2 was a Sabre; VT1100C3 was an Aero; There was an ACE (American Classic Edition) and ACE Tourer (with saddlebags, windshield, and trunk) but I am unsure of those designations.

Therefore, not only is the claim that the Sabre is replacing itself incorrect, but there were at least 4 other models in 2007 alone, sold as VT1100 of one sort or another. One model cannot be replacing itself and all the other models of that designation while they are all still being built. Furthermore, 'the 1100cc class' is incorrect terminology. Honda made MANY motorcycles in the class, including sport bikes, sport touring, etc. The 1100cc engine was discontinued on the Shadow model, a far cry from discontinuing all of Honda's 1100cc motorcycles. The larger engine was simply shifted to a new model, keeping the Shadow as a smaller displacement, and introducing the VTX series for larger displacement, although they did not include an 1100cc size in the VTX lineup. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.208.159.18 (talk) 13:22, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
 * You might want to think about just deleting it, or at least deleting most of the trim level stuff, rather than worrying about whether it's correct. This level of detail on trim levels is generally considered outside the scope of Wikipedia. This is why the WP:MC-MOS says we avoid mentioning paint colors, prices, and frame/engine numbers unless a third party source calls them out as particularly interesting for some reason. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 18:35, 1 August 2016 (UTC)