Talk:Honey War

What is a "honey tree"?

 * Is it a hollow tree with a bee hive in it?
 * Is it a tree with sweet sap, like a Sugar Maple? --  Geo Swan 14:47, 24 December 2005 (UTC)


 * In this case, hollow tree with bee hive in it. The wikilink is wrong, removing.Pfly 05:45, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Removed from timeline for clarification
I removed this from the timeline of events because that "mouth of the Ohio River" seems very suspect in this context.
 * 1837: As part of the Platte Purchase Missouri wants the northern border resurveyed. Wisconsin Territory refuses to go along and Missouri hires Joseph C. Brown to resurvey the land.  He says the point of reference for the border should have been the mouth of the  Ohio River. Using township lines as a reference he says the border should be 9.5 mi further north from the present Missouri-Iowa border, at a bend in the Des Moines at Keosauqua, Iowa.

--Kbh3rd talk 02:14, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * A similar claim is made at Sullivan Line. I did a quick search for sources and found some leads but they didn't pan out. Added a "citation needed" tag to the claim at the Sullivan Line page. It seems odd to me too, but who knows--the history of state lines can be pretty weird. Pfly (talk) 07:08, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

9.5-mile border
To me this sentence reads like the southern border of Iowa is 9.5 miles "The dispute over a 9.5-mile (15.3 km) wide strip running the entire length of the border..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.187.199.192 (talk)
 * I think the map does a good job of illustrating what it means. Still, if you have a better phrasing, be bold and improve it! --Philosopher Let us reason together. 15:41, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 9.5 miles is the width, not the length, not sure how to word that to make it any clearer. Kmusser (talk) 15:44, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

U bros sure it's 9.5 miles wide? The way the map looks now, as measured by google earth, it seems more like 15 miles... Maybe the map is just buggered. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.228.182.191 (talk) 20:31, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

"National Guard"?
As best I'm aware, those were state militiae. The National Guard did not combine the state militiae until 1903.Mzmadmike (talk) 06:55, 1 January 2014 (UTC)


 * This seems to have been addressed as I find no mention of the "National Guard" as of 2022. Grey Wanderer (talk) 20:04, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Impact
Seeing as this was a conflict between a free territory and a slave state, I'm surprised this altercation was as peaceful as it was. Maybe a section mentioning this could be introduced. MightyArms (talk) 18:00, 2 November 2022 (UTC)


 * You may be conflating this conflict with the violence of Bleeding Kansas, which occurred nearly two decades later, on the Missouri-Kansas border. The Honey War, as the article describes, was not rooted in disagreements over slavery. To add a section, as you suggest, one would need to find a WP:Reliable source connecting slavery to the Honey War. I know of no such sources, but they could be out there. Even then we would need to be wary of WP:DUE and WP:OR. Perhaps User:Hog Farm, our resident civil war buff, knows of some. Grey Wanderer (talk) 18:29, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not super familiar with the Honey War, but nothing I can recall makes the connection. The Bleeding Kansas violence was rooted in events that didn't come into play until well after the Honey War, and slavery in Missouri was largely in the Little Dixie/Boonslick area, not along the Iowa border. The Toledo War is really a better parallel than Bleeding Kansas. I'm extremely busy in RL right now but will try to access a copy of A History of Missouri: 1820 to 1860 by McCandless sometime and skim what it has to say about the Honey War. Hog Farm Talk 19:28, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Interesting. MightyArms (talk) 02:19, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
 * - I finally ordered a copy of McCandless off the internet, will check back in on this once it arrives in a week or so. Hog Farm Talk 15:20, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 * - McCandless does not mention slavery at all in his section on the Honey War, so it looks like slavery played little to no impact on this conflict. McCandless generally attributes it to bad surveying, Missouri not wanting the federal government to change its boundaries, and Lilburn Boggs not wanting to place nice with the other children the governor of the Iowa Territory. Hog Farm Talk 21:28, 17 February 2023 (UTC)