Talk:Honeywell/Archive 2

Comfortable Defense
Isn't it a little weird that "In 1996, Honeywell acquired Duracraft and began marketing its products in the home comfort sector. Today, Kaz Incorporated owns both Duracraft and Honeywell's home comfort lines." is under the heading "Defense"? While I would like to be both comfortable and safe, I am not sure Honeywell's defense line is used in the home.

Also, there is little information on their control technology, which I suspect is their main business. 216.255.104.61 (talk) 16:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Open request about COI-compliant editing
Open request to the Wikipedian who is managing this article. I work for Honeywell and would like to make the Honeywell entry more robust, and accurate of the business and history of Honeywell. Having made that comment, I first became involved with Wikipedia back in 2006 and even attended Wikimania that year. I don't want to run afoul of Wikipedia rules, but I do note that your discussion states you would like to upgrade corporate entries. Thanks ... Rich Hoeg ... the [Northstar Nerd | http://www.northstarnerd.org]. Sorry my code is not perfect; I'm a bit rusty.

I would be very happy to post suggested updates on this page for review and acceptance or rejection.

[Rich Hoeg, 2009-08-18]


 * As far as who manages the article, it's however many people care to take an interest (as noted at WP:OWN). Certainly you are welcome to be one of them! The guidelines for COI-compliant editing are at WP:COI. That's a lengthy page, but it is generally recognized that one is not necessarily disqualified from editing because of a potential COI; the key is full disclosure and not being a dick. I suggest that you go ahead and edit happily, and people will stop you if they think your COI is showing. In general it is a good thing for people with knowledge of the topic to edit. If done well, it will stand up to scrutiny. Happy editing, — ¾-10 02:08, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Vehicles really necessary?
Lots of companies have their own vehicles with labels on them but I'm not sure that Honeywell has them as major parts of its brand or identity. The labels shown in the photos aren't even legible.--Hooperbloob (talk) 17:15, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Too many Honeywells?
I think the proliferation of articles on Honeywell is confusing. There's this article on Honeywell (Honeywell International, Inc.) as well as separate articles on Honeywell Aerospace and Honeywell Turbo Technologies. Yet this parent Honeywell International page is missing something that's badly needed: a diagram outlining the structure of the conglomerate, which could explain where some of the "parts" (Aerospace and Turbo Technologies) fit into the whole. In fact, I think Turbo Technologies is itself a part (or a set of products) of the Honeywell Aerospace. As things now stand, there is redundancy among the three articles as well as confusion about their relationships.~Mack2~

Honeywell 2010 products
I suggest we have a section under the today area of the page that explains more about the heating controls area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jessica Clamp (talk • contribs) 12:26, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Honeywell Technology Solutions info wrong
I work for a division of Honeywell Technology Solutions (HTSI to be exact, Honeywell Technology Solutions, Inc.) and it's located in Colorado Springs, Colorado. It's not a "research" division "dedicated to innovative product research"; it's pretty much all development (it's Defense). I notice the section has no references, but I don't want to add to the mediocrity. But, just FYI, as it stands, it's misleading. There may be an HTSI division in India, but it is no manner the only one. &mdash; Fr&epsilon;ckl&epsilon;fσσt | Talk 01:45, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Working on acquisitions table for Honeywell
There were no citations for the original acquisition section. I changed the bullet list to a readable table format. I am also working to find citations for this section. Lgkkitkat (talk) 22:27, 28 September 2014 (UTC)


 * The acquisitions table has been updated with all the citations except for one company - which I will continue to look for. Lgkkitkat (talk) 00:48, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Please list "unproductive edits"
Hello BilCat - in order for me to improve my contributions to articles I seek the protocol of editing from more experienced community members. Please explain why you classified my edit as unproductive since no content was removed - I am really confused. It is my belief that our primary goal is to keep all information current. I have added citations to support my updated information. I respectfully request you to review the first paragraph to see that no information was removed but rather placed in a readable place. Please share your thoughts on this...it would be very much appreciated. Lgkkitkat (talk) 03:05, 15 October 2014 (UTC)


 * In this edit, you deleted/removed the entire External links section, plus the categories which followed it. The categories are an important part of classifying an article, and shouldn't be outright removed without cause. In this one, you removed the fact that Honeywell is primarily an American company. That information is standard in corporate articles for companies that are primarily based in one country. That's why it said " an American multinational conglomerate company". Also, Leads are summaries of the mportant facts of an article. You removed the paragraph about the current Honeywell being the product of mergers, especially of AlliedSignal. That needs to be summarized in the Lead, though it could be trimmed, especially the repetition about where the headquarters is located, as long as that part is in the main history. Hope that helps. - BilCat (talk) 03:58, 15 October 2014 (UTC)


 * BilCat - thank you for your feedback and guidance. I'd like to sincerely apologize for the deleted/removed sections - that was actually an accident and I appreciate you correcting my horrible errors so promptly.  I will be sure to be more careful when I edit in the future.  I'd like to ask why you think it is critical to mention AlliedSignal in the overview because I thought these lead paragraphs were to define Honeywell as the company is today.  I know the merger is VERY significant but it is mentioned in the article later...can you please take a look at my sandbox to see if there is a way to blend the existing version with what I have written?  Thanks Lgkkitkat (talk) 03:11, 17 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Because AlliedSignal was the larger of the 2 companies in the merger. That's important enough to note right up front. - BilCat (talk) 18:59, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

"Similar in name only"?
I don't get this:


 * Recently, Honeywell announced the implementation of a corporate philosophy known as the Honeywell Operating System (HOS), which incorporates practices similar in name only to the Toyota Production System.

If the practices are only superficially similar, why is Toyota's system relevant to the article?


 * And the only similarity in the name is "system" - that's a common word used in many things! Anyway, the whole pargraph is unsourced, and has been tagged since 2013. I've removed it on that basis. - BilCat (talk) 19:06, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Improving and updating content
I'm currently working on a new draft of the Honeywell article here, aiming to improve the organizational structure, update figures and information, and expand on the history. I kept most of the existing content intact and I think I've done a pretty good job maintaining NPOV and making sure everything has quality references, but I'd appreciate any help from the community in ensuring that's the case. Feel free to edit it or leave me comments on my sandbox, and/or publish any content you think is suitable and relevant. --FacultiesIntact (talk) 00:01, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I would take it easy with mass changes to this article. They will certainly be reverted, and then all your work will have gone for nought. Whether you like it or not, what is in the article is the result of years of effort by other Wikipedians, and it is not up to you to try to reorganize or reword the entire article by yourself. Seriously, just start with a small step and then wait a day to see if anybody changes it back. Or, go to the talk page with your individual suggestions, one by one. You are courting disaster if you try to "improve the organizational structure," or "expand on the history." I'm glad you brought this to our attention now. Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 05:17, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments, George. I went ahead and listed specifically what I'm trying to change in the article below. As a point of individual curiosity rather than in a professional capacity, I'm wondering why "it is not up to [me] to try to reorganize or reword the entire article by [myself]"? I've seen large overhauls of older, lengthy articles that were not only accepted, but welcomed in the name of "being bold". I certainly appreciate the hard work that editors put into creating the iterations of these articles that we see today, but isn't part of what makes Wikipedia great that it is a living, changing encyclopedia? Regardless, when drafting new content, I strive to include as much of the original text as possible (especially when I have COI), where I think it's relevant and well-sourced. Whether it remains in exactly the same space or gets integrated into a new section obviously varies on a case by case basis. Anyway, thank you again for taking the time to comment. I would really appreciate it if you could take a look at my specific changes, in part or in whole. FacultiesIntact (talk) 00:18, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

To respond to GeorgeLouis's concerns, these are the specific changes I'm proposing: Again, my draft can be found here. If anyone would be so kind as to review it, in full or in part, I would sincerely appreciate the help. FacultiesIntact (talk) 00:18, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Restructure the "History" section into distinct eras so that it reads chronologically, rather than jumping from important figures in the company to business divisions and then concluding with recent history. I think the narrative cohesion helps communicate all the information, both proposed and pre-existing. I've (a) expanded on the foundation of the company, and integrated "William and Harold Sweatt,"  "James H. Binger," "Computing," and the first part of "Defense Interests" into "International Expansion and Acquisition". I (b) moved the second half of "Defense Interests" into a new section, "Integration: Aerospace and Home & Building Controls," and added information about both the Aerospace and Home & Building Controls divisions. I (c) removed "Performance Materials and Technologies" and propose it be moved to AlliedSignal, to which I provided a Template:Main link in the new section I created titled "Corporate Takeovers." I also provided a Template:Main link to Pittway, whose acquisition I described in the same section. The information about the failed GE merger was moved there as well. I (d) moved most of the acquisitions from "Today's Honeywell" into the table in the pre-existing section "Acquisitions."
 * 2) Remove the "Products and services" section. There are far too many products and services offered by Honeywell to be sufficiently covered. It also seems disingenuous to include only military products. The "Missiles and rockets" listed have been moved to "International Expansion and Acquisition" and the "Aircraft" has been moved to a "Defense & Space" subsection under "Business Units" (see below).
 * 3) Create a "Business Units" section in lieu of "Products and services." Each section gives a more general idea of the products and/or services provided by each particular branch of the company.
 * 4) Add a "Company Culture" section to detail the changes in corporate culture since the merger with AlliedSignal.
 * 5) Clarify that the Onondaga Lake site was a former AlliedSignal property.
 * 6) Add an "Awards" section for the company's recognition in the past decade.

I went ahead and took screenshots of the relevant pages of Honeywell's Annual Report, if that helps. Here is page 42 with figures for revenue, operating income, and net income, and here is page 44 with figures for total assets and total equity. --FacultiesIntact (talk) 00:46, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Can someone review just the updated infobox and acquisitions sections? Thanks! --FacultiesIntact (talk) 17:02, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

FacultiesIntact's draft
Because I've worked with COI editors in the past I was asked to go over the draft at User:FacultiesIntact/sandbox/Honeywell, and barring some minor content and aesthetic details (that second thermostat picture needs to go) I have no problem with replacing the current article with that. It preserves the existing material, rearranges it more logically and greatly improves our coverage of the company. I can see how the list of products might need to possibly be trimmed, although I'm not sure how exactly. The Company Culture section is also a bit awkward. But overall I think it's better than what we have at the moment. It certainly preserves all the controversial material, which is always concern with COI edits. Are you OK with this? § FreeRangeFrog croak 23:19, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

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Edit request
Requesting the article be updated via the draft linked here and commented upon by FreeRangeFrog above. The history section is improved and reads chronologically, and the article overall is more comprehensive.--FacultiesIntact (talk) 18:14, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Endorsed. Expect to begin work in 8 hours. Dschslava (talk) 15:41, 28 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Marked this edit request as answered. Altamel (talk) 03:33, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Reverting vandalism
I just noticed an anonymous IP had changed the CEO and Chairman in the Corporate Governance section, and have since reverted it. My cursory investigation suggested that the IP address came from Honeywell India, and as I do work for Honeywell here, I'll be doing my best to get to the bottom of it. Feel free to leave me any comments or concerns.--FacultiesIntact (talk) 18:44, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Trend Controls Redirect
Added a section on Trend Controls and redirected the page to here. The company's not notable enough to merit their own page. CerealKillerYum (talk) 07:52, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

ACS split into HBT and SPS
In July, Honeywell split one of their strategic business units, Automation and Control Solutions, into two new units: Home and Building Technologies (HBT) and Safety and Productivity Solutions (SPS). I made adjustments to the lead and Business Units in my sandbox to reflect the change. The relevant reference is in the opening of their Form 8-K filed with the SEC last month, found here. Could someone without a COI review this and make the updates?--FacultiesIntact (talk) 22:50, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I've also since updated the Recent Acquisitions in my sandbox to look like this. Does anybody have a minute to take a look?--FacultiesIntact (talk) 07:11, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Fixing the chronology of Honeywell
I've drafted some edits to the criticism section of the article to put everything in chronological order to clarify the actual events which occurred. I also clarified that the division specifically responsible for the cluster bombs was spun off from Honeywell in 1990. Can someone review these suggestions? I think they're all clear improvements to the article.--FacultiesIntact (talk) 01:28, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Updating financial figures in the infobox
Honeywell filed their latest 10-K in February. I've got the current figures, along with the referenced 10-K, drafted up in my sandbox. Can someone update the numbers in the infobox?--FacultiesIntact (talk) 01:00, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Additionally, the Corporate Governance section is now outdated. I've got a current version here.--FacultiesIntact (talk) 19:11, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

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Updating recent history
The Recent history section is reading more like a timeline and less like a narrative, so I went ahead and tried to reorganize the content into a more cohesive section (sandbox here). It's largely just collecting the information and breaking them into relevant paragraphs, but I also added the news about Adamczyk's succession, as well as changed "The expansion will create more than 800 jobs" in regards to the Atlanta relocation to "The expansion will add more than 800 jobs" as no new roles were actually being created, as originally reported in the new citation from The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Would someone mind taking a look at my proposed changes?--FacultiesIntact (talk) 23:48, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I also added new entries to the Acquisitions section for 2017 in the same sandbox.--FacultiesIntact (talk) 23:45, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Additionally, I took out some extraneous entries in the See also section. Currently it's 10 entries that are otherwise already linked in the article, or not particularly relevant. Sandbox section here.--FacultiesIntact (talk) 00:10, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Products and services expansion
The Products and services section has been flagged for expansion since 2015. I've been working on an expanded version, with the section organized by SBG rather than the disparate "Aircraft," "Missiles and rockets," and "Honeywell Scanning and Mobility." Does anyone want to collaborate on improving my list? I want to make the section more comprehensive than its current state, but I don't want to overreach to the point of promotion.--FacultiesIntact (talk) 03:14, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Honeywell Pentax
Under "Expansion: 1927–1985" the article states that Honeywell distributed this camera from Ricoh. However, Ricoh only acquired the Pentax camera line in 2011. The Japanese producer of this camera at the time was Asahi Optical Company, Ltd. (http://www.aohc.it/testi.php?id_testi=50, http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Pentax) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrShoggoth (talk • contribs) 05:54, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

DATAmatic tape ORTHOTRONIC CONTROL (automatic error correction)
Datamatic, Automatic Error-Correction, Newton Highlands, Massachusetts --89.25.210.104 (talk) 01:11, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Updating products and services section
As I mentioned above, the Products and services section has been flagged for expansion for three years now. I drafted expanded version, with the section organized by business groups rather than the disparate "Aircraft," "Missiles and rockets," and "Honeywell Scanning and Mobility." I received differing feedback from other editors, one supporting the content but requesting references (which have since been added), one wanting a change into prose format, and another suggesting I pursue more "official" channels for COI edits. Given that, I thought a formal edit request would be a suitable path forward.--FacultiesIntact (talk) 23:59, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Reply 09-JUL-2018

 * 1) The items should be taken out of lists and transferred into prose as much as possible, or else some combination of prose and lists. (See MOS:EMBED.)
 * 2) When it comes to listing or describing a company's products, reliable secondary sources are preferred over self-published information. WP:PRODUCT states:"When discussion of products and services would make the article unwieldy, some editorial judgment is called for. If the products and services are considered notable enough on their own, one option is to break out the discussion of them into a separate article following WP:Summary style.  If the products and services are not notable enough for their own article, the discussion of them should be trimmed and summarized into a shorter format, or even cut entirely if the products are not significantly mentioned in reliable secondary sources. If a non-notable product or service has its own article, be bold and merge it into an article with a broader scope (for example, an article about the type of product) or follow one of the deletion processes."The majority of the products listed in the proposal are given self-published references. Since the article (or at least the look of the article in your proposal) has become unwieldy, these should be given references to reliable secondary sources after having as many as possible converted into prose or siphoned off into other articles.   spintendo   02:05, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your attention to this and your feedback. I hear you about secondary sources. Though at first glance it looks extensive, the intent here was not to list thousands of Honeywell products and services, since upon research there are over 2,000 Wikipedia articles mentioning Honeywell. With respect to the reader, might a standalone "List of Honeywell products and services" article similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nestlé_brands be appropriate?--FacultiesIntact (talk) 22:29, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Another thought crossed my mind: would an image or infographic be suitable for inclusion as a thumbnail?--FacultiesIntact (talk) 22:17, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I think a WP:STANDALONE article would be a good idea. The Nestle example is good, but it can also be as complex as needed, up to something like List of Amazon products and services. As far as thumbnails, I never use them, so I wouldn't know about that.  spintendo   05:56, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm going to start working on a list article, but in the meantime, I've revised the Products and services section I proposed into something more succinct. It's mostly prose, but it also lists the products that already have a Wikipedia article, and is now sorted by business group, rather than arbitrary categories. I think it's a clear improvement over the existing section, and not nearly as unwieldy as what I previously proposed. Could you take a look?--FacultiesIntact (talk) 23:28, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * There are areas of the standing article which contain the exact same information in a different form as is in your proposal, which is by design, since you are re-writing the information. However, as your request did not indicate anything to be removed, adding it to the article would therefore cause a redundancy. If material is to replace already existing information, directions for removal of that already existing information should accompany the edit request.  spintendo   20:52, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * My apologies! Regarding the Products and services section I'm proposing:


 * The addition of "Honeywell offers a number of products and services across its four business groups. Aerospace offerings include integrated avionics systems, engines, flight management services, and cockpit displays.[74][75] HBT products include burglar alarms, Inncom hotel management systems, and a wide variety of sensors.[76][77] SPS offers products including Xtratuf footwear, voice-directed software solutions, and ruggedized handheld computers.[78][77] PMT provides products including Spectra Shield, Solstice refrigerants, and the Honeywell Connected Plant.[79]" from this sandbox
 * Combining the "Aircraft" and "Missiles and rockets" subsections into one subsection titled "Aerospace"
 * Adding Honeywell HTF7000, Honeywell HTS900, and Honeywell TPE331 to the new Aerospace subsection
 * Adding a new subsection titled "Home and Building Technologies" containing the list item Honeywell T87
 * Retitling the "Honeywell Scanning and Mobility" subsection as "Safety and Productivity Solutions"
 * Adding XtraTuf footwear to the newly retitled "Safety and Productivity Solutions" subsection
 * Adding a new subsection titled "Performance Materials and Technologies" containing the list item Spectra Shield
 * Removing the banner calling for expanding the section
 * The proposed edits preserve the existing content while reorganizing it in a way more consistent with the categories previously described throughout the article, as well as add relevant existing Honeywell product articles.--FacultiesIntact (talk) 19:12, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Reply to edit request 10-AUG-2018
Below you will see where proposals from your request have been quoted with reviewer decisions and feedback inserted underneath, either accepting, declining or otherwise commenting upon your proposal(s). Please read the enclosed notes for information on each request.  spintendo   07:32, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

15-AUG-2018

 * Can you help me understand your rationale for declining a number of these requests? As far as I can tell, I followed the advice you gave me on the initial request, namely to take content out of the list and present it as prose, trim and summarize the content into a shorter format, support them with reliable secondary sources, and listing only products that are either currently on the article, or have articles of their own. The intent is not to make it "look good" but to give a brief overview of the thousands of products made by Honeywell. Regarding Talk:Honeywell, I'm unclear as to what you mean by there being multiple instances of these named locations. As far as I can tell, there are only the sections Honeywell and Honeywell. I'm proposing the content be merged into one subsection of Honeywell like this. Ultimately, the whole Products and services section would be replaced with this content, as I linked previously. I wrote out the individual changes for clarity. The rationale for retitling the sections after the relevant business units is an issue of consistency. As it stands, there's two categories that describe what the products are, and one that describes a business group. By renaming the subsections after the business groups, it creates a cohesive sorting schema and helps prevent the addition of disparate subsections. Does this help clarify my request?--FacultiesIntact (talk) 18:13, 15 August 2018 (UTC)


 * My advice was that these products should be placed into their own page because it seems that the requirements for such a page to be made are met. You had said you were going to start work on this "I'm going to start working on a list article" but I've only seen these changes proposed here which involve reshuffling information re-titling sections . As far as the Aerospace section there are already three sections on aerospace (under History, under Business units, and under Products and services) and you asked for "Adding Honeywell HTF7000, Honeywell HTS900, and Honeywell TPE331 to the new Aerospace subsection" does this mean you want to add a subsection to the Aerospace section (and if so, which one) or does this mean you want to add a new Aerospace Subsection to some other location? This was unclear. It's also unclear how re-titling the "Honeywell Scanning and Mobility" subsection as "Safety and Productivity Solutions" brings about a "cohesive sorting schema". Because the company titles them that way rings truer as a reason. If this is the case, then that should just be stated. The company's choice of nomenclature can be used as a guide. But don't forget that real change would be creating pages where this information can be moved to, because the main page has gotten too crowded. It's not clear that these changes do that. If there are any other areas where I was not clear please let me know so I can clarify.  spintendo   20:06, 15 August 2018 (UTC)


 * What I had said was "I'm going to start working on a list article, but in the meantime, I've revised the Products and services section I proposed into something more succinct."


 * I re-linked the sandbox that I had drafted to illustrate exactly what I was proposing. This draft creates these new subsections, and could eliminate the discrepancy on the main article.


 * I think it would be best to consolidate everything on a separate list article and not have to worry about future redundancies or emplacements of content on this article but not the list. I'm currently working with another editor on the creation of the list article. When the list article is created, can you place a template in the current section?--FacultiesIntact (talk) 19:07, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * "This draft creates these new subsections, and could eliminate the discrepancy on the main article."
 * Thank you for you reply. Just wanted to clarify a few points really quick. Forgive me in advance if you've already answered them.
 * What was the meantime purpose for creating the new subsections? Was it to further describe products which, in their current state, either provide no explanations or limited ones? Or was it to make the subheadings align with how the company labels the groupings? Please advise.
 * Would this discrepancy you mentioned be the one I just described – a discrepancy between what the company labels these groupings as, and what the article currently labels them as – or is it some other discrepancy? Please advise.
 * Your draft version contains trademark symbols in the text. Could you explain why this is?
 * Portions of text in your draft (not necessarily in the sections we're discussing) are copied word for word from information presented on Honeywell websites. Were these sections to be rewritten at some point before being proposed, or are they being stored here for some other reason? Needless to say your sandbox is yours to do with as you please, but I don't believe that its purpose was for the storage of material copied from this company's websites. Please clarify. Thank you!  spintendo   21:14, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Portions of text in your draft (not necessarily in the sections we're discussing) are copied word for word from information presented on Honeywell websites. Were these sections to be rewritten at some point before being proposed, or are they being stored here for some other reason? Needless to say your sandbox is yours to do with as you please, but I don't believe that its purpose was for the storage of material copied from this company's websites. Please clarify. Thank you!  spintendo   21:14, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Meantime was intended to expand and improve the current section by adding a giving more context via prose and aligning them with the company labels, respectively, because I knew that the research to support the separate list article would take quite some time.
 * Yes, I was referring to that discrepancy.
 * As with point 4, your curiosity inspired me to take some time to trace my sandbox. I found that it is based on a draft that I inherited when I joined my team in 2015. Now that I have a few years of experience on Wikipedia, such an oversight is embarrassing, and regrettably, some of that content has made it onto the live article. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I appreciate your reminder to be diligent on such matters. Looking at the content now, can we re-evaluate the presentation of the Business Units sections after we address the Products and Services list article? This way we address each section so we can have one thread of communication to keep track of. Would that work for you? I want to do everything I can to rectify this problem. From time to time unintentional errors and oversight occur, which is just one reason why I value your approach to collaboration and guidance.--FacultiesIntact (talk) 06:34, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Edit request 21-AUG-2018
The information contained within the Honeywell section is outdated. Regarding the cleanup of Onondaga Lake, there have been a few updates since 2014. Additionally, I'm proposing an added clarification that the waste site was a former Allied Corporation property.


 * Current text: In 2003, a federal judge in Newark, New Jersey ordered the company to perform an estimated $400 million environmental remediation of chromium waste, citing "a substantial risk of imminent damage to public health and safety and imminent and severe damage to the environment." In the same year, Honeywell paid $3.6 million to avoid a federal trial regarding its responsibility for trichloroethylene contamination in Lisle, Illinois. In 2004, the State of New York announced that it would require Honeywell to complete an estimated $448 million cleanup of more than 74,000 kg (165,000 lbs) of mercury and other toxic waste dumped into Onondaga Lake in Syracuse, NY. As of November 2014, Honeywell has completed dredging the lake and established three water treatment plants, and the chemicals cleanup site has removed 7 tons of mercury.
 * Proposed text: In 2003, a federal judge in Newark, New Jersey ordered the company to perform an estimated $400 million environmental remediation of chromium waste, citing "a substantial risk of imminent damage to public health and safety and imminent and severe damage to the environment." In the same year, Honeywell paid $3.6 million to avoid a federal trial regarding its responsibility for trichloroethylene contamination in Lisle, Illinois. In 2004, the State of New York announced that it would require Honeywell to complete an estimated $448 million cleanup of more than 74,000 kg (165,000 lbs) of mercury and other toxic waste dumped into Onondaga Lake in Syracuse, NY from a former Allied Chemical property.  Honeywell completed dredging the lake and established three water treatment plants in November 2014, and the chemicals cleanup site removed 7 tons of mercury. In November 2015, Audubon New York gave the Thomas W. Keesee, Jr. Conservation Award to Honeywell for its cleanup efforts in “one of the most ambitious environmental reclamation projects in the United States.” In December 2017, Honeywell completed its mandated cleanup of the lake. Later that month, the Department of Justice filed a settlement requiring Honeywell to pay a separate $9.5 million in damages, as well build 20 restoration projects on the shore to help repair the greater area surrounding the lake. "

--FacultiesIntact (talk) 02:30, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thinker78 (talk) 05:55, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Financial Updates
The financial data is out of date. I updated them in my sandbox and put them into edit request format.

1#

Current Content: For the fiscal year 2017, Honeywell reported earnings of US$1.933 billion, with an annual revenue of US$40.534 billion, an increase of 3.1% over the previous fiscal cycle. Honeywell's shares traded at over $131 per share, and its market capitalization was valued at over US$108.1 billion in October 2018.

Proposed Content update: For the fiscal year 2018, Honeywell reported earnings of US$6.765 billion, with an annual revenue of US$41.802 billion, an increase of 3.13% over the previous fiscal cycle. Honeywell's shares traded at over $134 per share, and its market capitalization was valued at over US$120.26 billion in September 2019.

Reason: 2018 financial data update

2#

Current Content: 2017 financial data in the Infobox and Finances section

Proposed Content update: Add 2018 statistics to the Infobox and chart in the Finances section

Reason: 2018 financial data update

Infobox


 * Revenue: US$41.802 billion (2018)
 * Operating income: US$6.859 billion (2018)
 * Net Income: US$6.765 billion (2018)
 * Total Assets: US$57.773 billion (2018)
 * Total Equity: US$18.358 billion (2018)
 * Number of employees: 114,000 (2018)

Finances Section (Add 2018 Data to the chart)


 * Revenue: US$41.802 billion (2018)
 * Net Income: US$6.765 billion (2018)
 * Total Assets: US$57.773 billion (2018)
 * Price per share: US$134.62 (2018)
 * Number of employees: 114,000 (2018)

References:

Who has time to review these updates? I would appreciate any feedback or assistance.--Chefmikesf (talk) 04:16, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Reply 10-SEP-2019
Regards, Spintendo  23:37, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) ✅ The infobox financials were updated.
 * 2) ❌ The directory of Honeywell's yearly financial figures placed under the Financial section was omitted per WP:NOTDIR.

Spintendo, Thank you for updating the Honeywell financial data in the infobox. As for the Financials section, added that and after some thought I can understand why. To a reader, historical financial data is helpful to study in its numeric form, especially for a reader who is searching online for that information. This is historical data. It is beneficial to the reader for convenience and access to the secondary source for further study. Would you consider this? Or shall we also invite Afus199620 for his/her input?--Chefmikesf (talk) 01:25, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Improving the article for neutrality
I noticed you recently added a promotional content warning banner to Honeywell. My former colleague User:FacultiesIntact collaborated with other editors to help contribute to the article. Company articles can be challenging to navigate between the fine line of promotion and education. Were there any sections in particular that stood out to you as overly promotional?

I think there’s still a lot of good content there and I wouldn’t want the reader to conflate that with advertising. I have a COI with Honeywell too. In the spirit of collaboration, how about we open the conversation to others for feedback on the offending content. Would you be open to collaborating?--Chefmikesf (talk) 00:19, 6 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks for add the notes to the Business Unit section. I updated the phrases I interpreted are promotional. The new word or phrases are bold. What are your thoughts?--Chefmikesf (talk) 22:03, 24 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Honeywell Aerospace is a global provider of integrated avionics, engines, systems and services for aircraft manufacturers, airlines, business and general aviation, military, space and airport operations.


 * The Honeywell Commercial Aviation business unit creates products for large commercial and regional aircraft such as auxiliary power units (APUs), aircraft environmental control systems, electric power systems, engine system accessories, flight data and cockpit voice recorders, air traffic management, radar, navigation and communications systems, aircraft lighting, wheels and brakes


 * Products in Honeywell Scanning & Mobility (HSM) include mobile computers and bar code scanners, radio frequency identification products such as readers and antennas, voice-enabled workflow and printers.


 * Honeywell Process Solutions offers automation controls to customers internationally.


 * Better. Still reads like the company brochure but not quite so many buzzwords. . . Mean as custard (talk) 09:57, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Lead section updates
The lead section of the article needs some updates based on organizational changes at Honeywell International. The revisions are below. I included the references. I proposed changes in that section in edit request format. Here is my suggested lead section in my sandbox.Chefmikesf (talk) 21:21, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

#1 Current Content: Honeywell International Inc. is an American multinational conglomerate company that produces commercial and consumer products, engineering services and aerospace systems.

Proposed Content: Honeywell International Inc. is an American multinational conglomerate company that offers industrial products, software, engineering services.

Reason:  updating this sentence to clarify what Honeywell does and remove descriptors that no longer represent what the company produces.

#2

Current Content:  The company operates four business units, known as Strategic Business Units – Honeywell Aerospace, Home and Building Technologies (HBT), Safety and Productivity Solutions (SPS), and Honeywell Performance Materials and Technologies.

Proposed Content: The company operates four business units–Honeywell Aerospace, Honeywell Building Technologies, Safety and Productivity Solutions (SPS), and Performance Materials and Technologies (PMT).

Reason: Honeywell International's 2018 10-K reflects new names for the business units. Honeywell no longer publicly uses "Strategic Business Units" in company information.

References: page 55 of the 2018 10-K

#3

Request: update global workforce to “110,000” and “44,000” are employed in the United States.

Current Content: Honeywell has a global workforce of approximately 130,000, of whom approximately 58,000 are employed in the United States.

Proposed Content: Honeywell has a global workforce of approximately 110,000, of whom approximately 44,000 are employed in the United States.

Reason: updating out of date information

References: page 4 of the 2018 10-K

#4

Current Content: Honeywell has many brands that commercial and retail consumers may recognize, including its line of home thermostats (particularly the iconic round type) and Garrett turbochargers. In addition to consumer home products, Honeywell produces thermostats, sensors, security alarm systems, and air cleaners and dehumidifiers. The company also licenses its brand name for use in various retail products made by other manufacturers, including air conditioners, heaters, fans, security safes, home generators, and paper shredders.

Proposed Content: In 2018, Honeywell spun off its turbocharger business as Garrett turbochargers and consumer products business as Resideo. Both companies are now publicly traded on the New York Stock Exchange. Honeywell continues to license its name to Resideo, which creates residential thermostats and security systems as Honeywell Home. The company also licenses its brand name to for use in other retail products made by partner manufacturers, including air conditioners, heaters, fans, security safes, home generators, and paper shredders.

Reason: These statements inform the reader two of Honeywell's business units are separate and no longer Honeywell business units. Respectively, they are now known as Garrett and Resideo.

Does anyone have time to review these updates? I appreciate any feedback or assistance.--Chefmikesf (talk) 17:13, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Honeywell Article Updates
Hi! I'm posting here on behalf of Honeywell, a client of mine. I'd like to request some updates to this article. Some of the edits below are drafted up in my sandbox, here.

The article needs some updates based on organizational changes at Honeywell International, and suggestions from editors over the past year. My edits should address and improve the article compliant to WP: COI, WP:NPOV, and WP:LEAD. I included the references in the Ref-talk box.

I see on the current article:


 * Factual errors about the Honeywell International
 * Promotional content based on comments from editors on the current talk page and the archives pages.
 * For transparency, I used strike-through on the promotional content in my proposed content sections that should be removed.

Feel free to ping me for any clarifications. Thanks! --Chefmikesf (talk) 18:23, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Current Content:

The company operates four business units–Honeywell Aerospace, Honeywell Building Technologies, Safety and Productivity Solutions (SPS), and Performance Materials and Technologies (PMT).

Proposed Content:

The company operates four business units–Honeywell Aerospace, Honeywell Building Technologies, Safety and Productivity Solutions (SPS), and Performance Materials and Technologies (PMT). Within business groups are business units.

Request and Reason: Update the first sentence. Honeywell completed the spinoff of several businesses, including its Homes business, in October 2018

Aerospace
1. Request: Remove “Honeywell Transportation Systems”.

Current Content:


 * Transportation Systems

Honeywell Transportation Systems produces engine boosting turbochargers for passenger cars and commercial vehicles.

Proposed Content:



Honeywell Transportation Systems produces engine boosting turbochargers for passenger cars and commercial vehicles.

2. Request and Reason: Updates to the bold words in each sentence. Per talk page NPOV request here.


 * Honeywell Aerospace is a global provider of integrated avionics, engines, systems and service solutions services for aircraft manufacturers, airlines, business and general aviation, military, space and airport operations.


 * The Honeywell Commercial Aviation business unit creates products for large commercial and regional aircraft such as auxiliary power units (APUs), aircraft environmental control systems, electric power systems, engine system accessories, flight data and cockpit voice recorders, air traffic management solutions air traffic management, radar, navigation and communications systems, aircraft lighting, wheels and brakes

Building Technologies
1. Request: Remove "SBGs" and “Home and” from Home and Building Technologies

Current Content:

Home and Building Technologies

Honeywell HBT was created when the SBG Automation and Control Solutions was split into two new SBGs, HBT and Safety and Productivity Solutions, in July 2016. On December 7, 2017, Honeywell announced that it has acquired SCAME, an Italy-based company, to add new fire and gas safety capabilities to its portfolio.

Proposed Content:

Building Technologies

Honeywell HBT was created when Automation and Control Solutions was split into two new groups, HBT and Safety and Productivity Solutions, in July 2016. On December 7, 2017, Honeywell announced that it has acquired SCAME, an Italy-based company, to add new fire and gas safety capabilities to its portfolio. It became Honeywell Building Technologies (HBT) in October 2018, when the homes products spun off into a separate publicly traded company, Resideo.

Reason: Updated the first sentence. Honeywell completed the spinoff of several businesses, including its Homes business, in October 2018.

2. Request: Rewrite section to reflect Resideo spinoff, remove promotional content, add content reflecting spin-off into Resideo.

Current Content:

Honeywell Building Solutions (HBS) products and services provide energy efficiency and security in buildings and communities. Smart grid, microgrid and on-site power generation, integrated security, building controls, automation, and management, system service, maintenance and optimization, and smart building are examples of the technologies produced by the HBS business unit. HBS optimizes automation technology, designs and delivers microgrids that provide energy security, and delivers demand response and energy-efficiency programs to help utilities and the electrical grid operate optimally.

In June 2016, Honeywell announced a new release of its building management system, Enterprise Buildings Integrator (EBI) to support the Middle East region's smart building and cities ambitions. In a statement, Honeywell said that EBI R500 leverages the connectivity of today's buildings to help make them more strategic assets that are green, safe and productive.

Honeywell Smarthomes serve customers worldwide to control technologies for buildings, homes and industry; turbochargers; and performance materials. We are building a smarter, safer, and more sustainable world.

Proposed Content:

Honeywell Building Solutions (HBS) products and services provide energy efficiency and security in buildings and communities. Smart grid, microgrid and on-site power generation, integrated security, building controls, automation, and management, system service, maintenance and optimization, and smart building are examples of the technologies produced by the HBS business unit. HBS optimizes automation technology, designs and delivers microgrids that provide energy security, and delivers demand response and energy-efficiency programs to help utilities and the electrical grid operate optimally.It became Honeywell Building Technologies (HBT) in October 2018, when the homes products spun off into a separate publicly traded company, Resideo.

In June 2016, Honeywell announced a new release of its building management system, Enterprise Buildings Integrator (EBI) to support the Middle East region's smart building and cities ambitions. In a statement, Honeywell said that EBI R500 leverages the connectivity of today's buildings to help make them more strategic assets that are green, safe and productive.

3. Request: in Environmental Energy Solutions section, rewrite section to remove “home”

Current Content: Honeywell Environmental and Energy Solutions serves industrial and consumer customers. Products include air quality, commercial combustion, commercial components, industrial components, home thermostats (including smart and wi-fi thermostats), residential combustion, whole house air quality, whole house water treatment and control, HVAC zoning, and hydronic heating.

Proposed Content: Honeywell Environmental and Energy Solutions serves industrial customers. Products include air quality, commercial combustion, commercial components, industrial components, HVAC zoning, and hydronic heating.

Reason: Homes products are no longer offered by Honeywell.

Safety and Productivity Solutions
1. Request and Reason: Updates to the bold words in this sentence. Per talk page NPOV request here.


 * Products in Honeywell Scanning & Mobility (HSM) include mobile computers and bar code scanners, radio frequency identification solutions radio frequency identification products such as readers and antennas, voice-enabled workflow and printers.

2. Request: Remove all mentions of SBG for WP:NPOV

Current Content: Honeywell SPS was created when the SBG Automation and Control Solutions was split into two new SBGs, Home and Building Technologies and Safety and Productivity Solutions, in July 2016.

Proposed Content: Honeywell SPS was created when the Automation and Control Solutions Business Group was split into two new BGs, Building Technologies and Safety and Productivity Solutions, in July 2016.

Reason: Honeywell no longer refers to its larger business groups as SBGs.

Performance Materials and Technologies
1. Request and Reason: Updates to the bold words in this sentence. Per talk page NPOV request here.


 * Honeywell Process Solutions offers automation control solutions automation controls to customers internationally.

2. Request: Remove all mentions of SBG for WP:NPOV

Current Content: The Honeywell Performance Materials and Technologies strategic business group is divided into six business units. Products include process technology for oil and gas processing, fuels, films and additives, special chemicals, electronic materials, and renewable transport fuels.

Honeywell UOP

Honeywell UOP is a wholly owned subsidiary of Honeywell International Inc. and is part of Honeywell's Performance Materials and Technologies strategic business group. Honeywell UOP is an international supplier and licensor of process technology, catalysts, adsorbents, process plants, and consulting services to the petroleum refining, petrochemical, and gas processing industries.

Proposed Content:  The Honeywell Performance Materials and Technologies Business Group is divided into six business units. Products include process technology for oil and gas processing, fuels, films and additives, special chemicals, electronic materials, and renewable transport fuels.

Honeywell UOP

Honeywell UOP is a wholly owned subsidiary of Honeywell International Inc. and is part of Honeywell's Performance Materials and Technologies Business Group. Honeywell UOP is an international supplier and licensor of process technology, catalysts, adsorbents, process plants, and consulting services to the petroleum refining, petrochemical, and gas processing industries.

Reason: Honeywell no longer refers to its larger business groups as SBGs

Current Content

Honeywell has many brands that commercial and retail consumers may recognize, including its line of home thermostats (particularly the iconic round type) and Garrett turbochargers. In addition to consumer home products, Honeywell produces thermostats, sensors, security alarm systems, and air cleaners and dehumidifiers. The company also licenses its brand name for use in various retail products made by other manufacturers, including air conditioners, heaters, fans, security safes, home generators, and paper shredders.

Proposed Content

In 2018, Honeywell spun off its turbocharger business as Garrett Advancing Motion and consumer products business as Resideo. Both companies are now publicly traded on the New York Stock Exchange. Honeywell continues to license its name to Resideo, which creates residential thermostats and security systems as Honeywell Home. The company also licenses its brand name to for use in other retail products made by partner manufacturers, including air conditioners, heaters, fans, security safes, home generators, and paper shredders.

Reason

These statements inform the reader that two of Honeywell's business units are separate and no longer Honeywell business units. Respectively, they are now known as Garrett and Resideo.


 * Remove Honeywell Turbo Technologies

Reply 10-DEC-2019
Regards, Spintendo  19:07, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Several portions of the request contain strikeout font in areas labeled as Proposed text. Please note that strikeout font is not used in articles.
 * Please modify your request so that subheadings which are labeled "Proposed text" only contain text which may be used in articles.
 * Please also note that the template is not placed using equal signs.

Revised Article Edit Request 1-2-2020
I have updated this request based on Spintendo's recommendations. You can see our conversation here. Feel free to ping me if I need to make any clarifications. Thank you. --Chefmikesf (talk) 19:58, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

1.

Please remove the last sentence of the first paragraph:

On September 12, 2016, Morris Plain, N.J.-based Honeywell announced that it would invest $20 million in the first-of-its-kind software development center and relocate the headquarters of its nearly $10 billion home and building technologies division from suburban Minneapolis to Atlanta. The expansion will add more than 800 jobs.

Please replace with:

On September 12, 2016, Morris Plain, N.J.-based Honeywell announced that it would relocate the headquarters of its building technologies division from suburban Minneapolis to Atlanta. In 2017, Honeywell opened the software center in Atlanta, Georgia. The expansion added more than 800 jobs.

2.

Please remove the third paragraph:

In early 2019 Honeywell launched its home spinoff under the brand Resideo, focusing mostly on programmable and remotely operated thermostats. In October 2019, the company announced the establishment of an advanced technology center called Honeywell Robotics, which will be focused on innovating and developing artificial intelligence, machine learning, computer vision and advanced robotics to be used across supply chains.

Please replace with:

In 2018, Honeywell spun off its turbocharger business as Garrett and consumer products business as Resideo. Both companies are now publicly traded on the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE). In May 2019, Honeywell launched Honeywell Forge, an Industrial internet of things analytics platform. On June 5, 2019, Honeywell moved their headquarters to Charlotte, North Carolina. October 2019, the company established Honeywell Robotics.

Reason To remove content to make the article WP:NPOV compliant and added some historical milestones to the section with references.

1.

Please replace the word units with groups in the first sentence

2.

Add this as the second sentence: Within business groups are business units.

Proposed Content looks like:

The company operates four business groups–Honeywell Aerospace, Honeywell Building Technologies, Safety and Productivity Solutions (SPS), and Performance Materials and Technologies (PMT). Within business groups are business units.

Request and Reason: Update the first sentence. Honeywell completed the spinoff of several businesses, including its Homes business, in October 2018.

Aerospace

3.

Request: Remove “Honeywell Transportation Systems” and the sentence in its section. Honeywell Transportation Systems is no longer part of the company.


 * Transportation Systems

Honeywell Transportation Systems produces engine boosting turbochargers for passenger cars and commercial vehicles.

4.

Request and Reason: Remove service solutions from the Aerospace sentence and replace with services. Per talk page NPOV request here.


 * Honeywell Aerospace is a global provider of integrated avionics, engines, systems and services for aircraft manufacturers, airlines, business and general aviation, military, space and airport operations.

5.

Request and Reason: Remove air traffic management solutions from the Commercial Aviation sentence and replace with air traffic management. Per talk page NPOV request here.


 * The Honeywell Commercial Aviation business unit creates products for large commercial and regional aircraft such as auxiliary power units (APUs), aircraft environmental control systems, electric power systems, engine system accessories, flight data and cockpit voice recorders, air traffic management, radar, navigation and communications systems, aircraft lighting, wheels and brakes

Home and Building Technologies

6.

Request: Remove “Home and” from Home and Building Technologies

New Subtitle: Building Technologies

7.

Request:Remove the first sentences from the section.

Honeywell HBT was created when the SBG Automation and Control Solutions was split into two new SBGs, HBT and Safety and Productivity Solutions, in July 2016. On December 7, 2017, Honeywell announced that it has acquired SCAME, an Italy-based company, to add new fire and gas safety capabilities to its portfolio.

Request: Replace with these proposed sentences:

Honeywell HBT was created when Automation and Control Solutions was split into two new groups, HBT and Safety and Productivity Solutions, in July 2016. On December 7, 2017, Honeywell announced that it has acquired SCAME, an Italy-based company, to add new fire and gas safety capabilities to its portfolio. It became Honeywell Building Technologies (HBT) in October 2018, when the homes products spun off into a separate publicly traded company, Resideo.

Reason: Updated the first sentence. Honeywell completed the spinoff of several businesses, including its Homes business, in October 2018. Add content reflecting spin-off into Resideo.

Honeywell Building Solutions

8.

Request: Please remove the second and third paragraph; NOTPROMOTION:

"In June 2016, Honeywell announced a new release of its building management system, Enterprise Buildings Integrator (EBI) to support the Middle East region's smart building and cities ambitions. In a statement, Honeywell said that EBI R500 leverages the connectivity of today's buildings to help make them more strategic assets that are green, safe and productive.

Honeywell Smarthomes serve customers worldwide to control technologies for buildings, homes and industry; turbochargers; and performance materials. We are building a smarter, safer, and more sustainable world."

Request:Please add this sentence to the end of the first paragraph:

It became Honeywell Building Technologies (HBT) in October 2018, when the homes products spun off into a separate publicly traded company, Resideo.

Environmental and Energy Solutions

9.

Request: in Environmental Energy Solutions section, rewrite section to remove “home”

Current Content: Honeywell Environmental and Energy Solutions serves industrial and consumer customers. Products include air quality, commercial combustion, commercial components, industrial components, home thermostats (including smart and wi-fi thermostats), residential combustion, whole house air quality, whole house water treatment and control, HVAC zoning, and hydronic heating.

Proposed Content: Honeywell Environmental and Energy Solutions serves industrial customers. Products include air quality, commercial combustion, commercial components, industrial components, HVAC zoning, and hydronic heating.

Reason: Homes products are no longer offered by Honeywell.

Safety and Productivity Solutions

10.

Request and Reason: remove "mobile computers and bar code scanners, radio frequency identification solutions" from Honeywell Process Solutions And replace with "radio frequency identification products such as readers and antennas, voice-enabled workflow and printers." per talk page NPOV request here.

Request and Reason: Replace with "radio frequency identification products such as readers and antennas, voice-enabled workflow and printers."

11.

Request: Remove all mentions of SBG in Safety and Productivity Solutions first sentence for WP:NPOV

Current Content: Honeywell SPS was created when the SBG Automation and Control Solutions was split into two new SBGs, Home and Building Technologies and Safety and Productivity Solutions, in July 2016.

Proposed Content: Honeywell SPS was created when the Automation and Control Solutions Business Group was split into two new BGs, Building Technologies and Safety and Productivity Solutions, in July 2016.

Reason: Honeywell no longer refers to its larger business groups as SBGs.

Performance Materials and Technologies

12.

Request and Reason: Updates to the bold words in this sentence. Per talk page NPOV request here.

Honeywell Process Solutions offers automation controls to customers internationally.

13.

Request: Remove all mentions of SBG for WP:NPOV

Current Content:

The Honeywell Performance Materials and Technologies strategic business group is divided into six business units. Products include process technology for oil and gas processing, fuels, films and additives, special chemicals, electronic materials, and renewable transport fuels.

Honeywell UOP

Honeywell UOP is a wholly owned subsidiary of Honeywell International Inc. and is part of Honeywell's Performance Materials and Technologies strategic business group. Honeywell UOP is an international supplier and licensor of process technology, catalysts, adsorbents, process plants, and consulting services to the petroleum refining, petrochemical, and gas processing industries.

Proposed Content: The Honeywell Performance Materials and Technologies Business Group is divided into six business units. Products include process technology for oil and gas processing, fuels, films and additives, special chemicals, electronic materials, and renewable transport fuels.

Honeywell UOP

Honeywell UOP is a wholly owned subsidiary of Honeywell International Inc. and is part of Honeywell's Performance Materials and Technologies Business Group. Honeywell UOP is an international supplier and licensor of process technology, catalysts, adsorbents, process plants, and consulting services to the petroleum refining, petrochemical, and gas processing industries.

Reason: Honeywell no longer refers to its larger business groups as SBGs

1.

Request: Please remove current content.

Honeywell has many brands that commercial and retail consumers may recognize, including its line of home thermostats (particularly the iconic round type) and Garrett turbochargers. In addition to consumer home products, Honeywell produces thermostats, sensors, security alarm systems, and air cleaners and dehumidifiers. The company also licenses its brand name for use in various retail products made by other manufacturers, including air conditioners, heaters, fans, security safes, home generators, and paper shredders.

Request: Please replace with proposed content.

In 2018, Honeywell spun off its turbocharger business as Garrett Advancing Motion and consumer products business as Resideo. Both companies are now publicly traded on the New York Stock Exchange. Honeywell continues to license its name to Resideo, which creates residential thermostats and security systems as Honeywell Home. The company also licenses its brand name to for use in other retail products made by partner manufacturers, including air conditioners, heaters, fans, security safes, home generators, and paper shredders.

Reason These statements inform the reader that two of Honeywell's business units are separate and no longer Honeywell business units. Respectively, they are now known as Garrett and Resideo.

1.

Please remove Honeywell Turbo Technologies from the See also section

Reply 3-JAN-2020
Below you will see where proposals from your request have been quoted with reviewer decisions and feedback inserted underneath, either accepting, declining or otherwise commenting upon your proposal(s). Please read the enclosed notes within the proposal review section below for information on each request. Spintendo 05:30, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Reply 14-JAN-2020
Hello

First, I want to address the COI edit from IP ADDRESS 199.64.7.231 on January 10, 2020. I am not associated with the editor and their edits.

Second, I can see you're busy with many edit requests. Your edit to the Honeywell article took place at 05:24, January 4, 2020. Then at 05:30, January 4, 2020‎ you posted to the Honeywell talk page in response to my request edit. Which happened first, can you recall the order of events? As I am reviewing each of your notes to the declined and unimplemented edit requests, many of the answers you seek clarification can be answered in this version of the Wikipedia article. For example, in Note 12, you said there are no mentions of SBGs. This version of the article includes four mentions of SBG in the Business unit section.--Chefmikesf (talk) 01:17, 15 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I edit the talk page concomitant with editing the article, so that the edit request is answered according to the edits I perform. I then save the pages in succession — the article first, then the talk page because you cannot implement both simultaneously. In the case of this edit, I received a 5 minute phone call immediately after implementing the article, so that the talk page was not saved until 6 minutes after. With regards to SBG's, I should have stated "the acronym SBG no longer appears in the article". Regards, Spintendo  02:52, 20 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the clarification . I am willing to collaborate with you on this. If you feel responding to edit requests is a form of collaboration, I want to address each of your responses to these edit requests above [Proposal Review 3-JAN-2020]. Though I disagree with how you approached deleting content and your objections to implementing the edit requests, taking the time to work with you is worthwhile so it helps me and others who submit edit requests. To make it easier to track, how about I respond to each of your notes? What are your thoughts?--Chefmikesf (talk) 06:21, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Edit Request 1-28-2020
1. Please remove the bulleted list of business units from the Business groups section:


 * Commercial Aviation
 * Defense and Space
 * Business and General Aviation
 * Transportation Systems
 * Home and Building Technologies


 * Honeywell Building Solutions
 * Environmental and Energy Solutions
 * Honeywell Security and Fire
 * Safety and Productivity Solutions
 * Scanning and Mobility


 * Sensing and Internet of Things
 * Industrial Safety
 * Performance Materials and Technologies
 * Honeywell UOP
 * Honeywell Process Solutions


 * Fluorine Products
 * Electronic Materials
 * Resins & Chemicals
 * Specialty Materials
 * Aerospace

2. Please add the correct bulleted list of business units to the Business groups section:

Aerospace
 * Commercial Aviation
 * Defense and Space
 * Business and General Aviation

Building Technologies
 * Honeywell Building Solutions
 * Environmental and Energy Solutions
 * Honeywell Security and Fire

Safety and Productivity Solutions
 * Scanning and Mobility
 * Sensing and Internet of Things
 * Industrial Safety

Performance Materials and Technologies
 * Honeywell UOP
 * Honeywell Process Solutions
 * Fluorine Products
 * Electronic Materials
 * Resins & Chemicals
 * Specialty Materials

3. Using these references: 4. Reason for the change: In Reference, you can see Honeywell has four Business groups; Aerospace, Building Technologies, Safety and Productivity Solutions, and Performance Materials and Technologies. The requested edit brings attention to the company's structure for the reader. The Business units are below their respective Business Group in 2..

Thank you--Chefmikesf (talk) 20:36, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Reply 2-FEB-2020
Regards, Spintendo  05:23, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I've removed the business groups which were included with the business group units and relisted the remaining business group units in no particular order.

Article updates
Hello Indefensible,

I've moved our conversation from your talk page here. I see the article needs improvements in a few places, specifically the Lead, History, and the see also sections. The suggested edits are outlined below as a concept to improve the article. What are your thoughts? --Chefmikesf (talk) 00:42, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Chefmikesf, received your message and will review. - Indefensible (talk) 02:05, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

1.

Please replace the current lead with a new proposed lead

Honeywell International Inc. is an American multinational conglomerate company that offers industrial products, software, engineering services. The company operates four business units–Honeywell Aerospace, Honeywell Building Technologies, Safety and Productivity Solutions (SPS), and Performance Materials and Technologies (PMT).

Honeywell is a Fortune 100 company. In 2018, Honeywell ranked 77th in the Fortune 500. Honeywell has a global workforce of approximately 110,000, of whom approximately 44,000 are employed in the United States. The company is headquartered in Charlotte, North Carolina. Its current chief executive officer is Darius Adamczyk. The company and its corporate predecessors were part of the Dow Jones Industrial Average Index from December 7, 1925, until February 9, 2008.

The company's current name, Honeywell International Inc., is the product of a merger in which Honeywell Inc. was acquired by the much larger AlliedSignal in 1999. The company headquarters were consolidated with AlliedSignal's headquarters in Morristown, New Jersey; however the combined company chose the name "Honeywell" because of its brand recognition.

Reason:The current lead is to succinct for the length of the article. In the Manual of style ,section seven, the appropriate lead length for an article of this size is 3-4 paragraphs. The new proposed lead section above incorporates everything in the current lead with more details to inform the reader about the company.

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Please add these sentences to the third paragraph:

Both companies are now publicly traded on the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE). In May 2019, Honeywell launched Honeywell Forge, an Industrial internet of things analytics platform. On June 5, 2019, Honeywell moved their headquarters to Charlotte, North Carolina. October 2019, the company established Honeywell Robotics.

Reason:Sentence one gives context to the existing sentence. The other two sentences provide context about two important recent events for the company, one the launch of Honeywell Forge and second the relocation of their headquarters.

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Please remove Honeywell Turbo Technologies from the See also section

Reason: Honeywell Turbo Technologies no longer exists. This business unit was sold, is publicly traded, and now known as Garrett Advancing Motion.

Regarding the first item, do you have a ref for the AlliedSignal merger? I see there is a NYTimes article currently being used in the body of the article. - Indefensible (talk) 06:43, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Indefensible, I'm open to using the NYTimes article to support the content. I left that reference and a few others out in the lead section because it was repetitive and already sourced in the article. Here is the link to the policy section used to make that decision: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section I'm happy to answer any more questions here. Thanks!---Chefmikesf (talk) 21:57, 20 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your additions to the article Indefensible. Do you have any thoughts on the other edits proposed in the collapsible section? --Chefmikesf (talk) 18:51, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Still considering the rest. Do you have a ref for the Dow Jones component dates? It's already noted in the article but not seeing a ref for it. - Indefensible (talk) 23:24, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Totally makes sense. Please let me know if I can help clarify the reasons for the other suggestions.
 * I found references to support the lines about the Dow Jones and listed them below.--Chefmikesf (talk) 00:38, 26 February 2020 (UTC)


 * References:


 * Chefmikesf, do you also have a ref for the start date of inclusion into the DJIA? Those 2 links and others I've found only seem to reference the end date, so posting the start date would be unreferenced. - Indefensible (talk) 04:06, 26 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Hey Indefensible, The first reference should cover the storied history of the company on the DJIA. The organization has been renamed multiple times with its current name, Honeywell International Inc. The older names of the organization do have there own articles for historical purposes. The history section of this article collates that story for the reader to be informed about Honeywell.

Here is the name progression I see in the first reference.
 * Allied Chemical September 7, 1925
 * renamed Allied-Signal Inc. on September 19, 1985
 * name changed to AlliedSignal Inc. on April 26, 1993
 * Honeywell International Inc. (name changed to Allied Signal Inc. on December 2, 1999, after merging with Honeywell International

What are your thoughts?--Chefmikesf (talk) 17:09, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, see that now, I guess that works. - Indefensible (talk) 06:49, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Chefmikesf, I believe that the points have been addressed (although not with the exact same wording), please review and provide any feedback as applicable. - Indefensible (talk) 22:32, 2 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello Indefensible, Thank you for your collaboration on these sections. I think the lead reads much better now and gives the reader context into the rest of the article. That said, one detail in the lead needs a copy edit. Apologize I over looked this.


 * Honeywell refers to the four business units as "Business Groups". The section in the article has been updated, do you think you can update the phrase in the lead paragraph as well? Many Thanks!--Chefmikesf (talk) 22:27, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, updated that as requested. - Indefensible (talk) 06:55, 4 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi Indefensible, I have one more section of Honeywell I believe needs improvement. The Business Groups section was flagged earlier in the year, so I attempted to fix it. Subsequently, the section for the most part was blanked, and I haven't received a response in quite some time. I have gone ahead, re-worked the section in my sandbox, and called it "Proposed Business Group Section." Obviously, the section subtitle is labeled for pre-publishing navigation. The section in my sandbox is now succinct, referenced, and follows Wikipedia's guidelines. Would you mind reviewing the current section and the section drafted in my sandbox? --Chefmikesf (talk) 19:21, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The draft in your sandbox looks much more extensive, will review. Also noticed that there are some standalone articles, e.g. Honeywell Aerospace. Do you have any opinion on updating or merging those? - Indefensible (talk) 07:05, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The other articles are notable enough on their own; my concept here is to summarize the business groups adequetly. I see what you are saying when the edits look extensive. Can you review what was on the article before the section was downsized? Here is the version. Please let me know if context about edit history would be helpful. --Chefmikesf (talk) 23:00, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello again Chefmikesf. Think what you have written looks like it may be okay to copy & paste into the article, however if possible I would prefer to have a non-Honeywell source for each item. Using Honeywell as a source for one or two things is probably fine, but more than that may seem overly promotional and not objectively referenced. Some of it already has non-Honeywell sources, but maybe if we break up the work and do section by section it can be done pretty quickly. - Indefensible (talk) 03:10, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey Indefensible, Aerospace and the Building Technologies sections should be ready with adequate references. Can you confirm this? I'm Okay to start section by section. I will work on a few more references for Safety and Productivity Solutions and Performance Materials and Technologies sections in the meantime. Does this work for you?--Chefmikesf (talk) 03:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Right now I count 3 of 8 refs for the Aerospace section are non-Honeywell, I think it would be better to have the ratio much more towards independent sources if possible. - Indefensible (talk) 05:13, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Indefensible I've taken some time to review the content and find new references to fill in the gaps. I left the SEC and Honeywell references to further support the content. Can you take another look now? I'm still open to an iterate approach as you see fit.--Chefmikesf (talk) 22:40, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Chefmikesf, for Honeywell Aerospace for example, the refs supporting Commercial Aviation, Defense & Space, and Business & General Aviation are entirely Honeywell sources currently. Without an independent source supporting the notability of posting about those individual groups, it may seem overly promotional to only rely on Honeywell's self-description. It would be better to have others like the Zacks, airtrafficmanaggement, and Satellite sources describing those aspects of Honeywell's business so that there is a clear neutral point of view in my opinion. - Indefensible (talk) 17:39, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello Indefensible, I think we may be looking at different section. I added the current proposed section below. Can you review these references? To answer your question for the Honeywell Aerospace phrases Commercial Aviation, Defense & Space, and Business & General Aviation, what are your thoughts on these references? These references mention the different parts of Honeywell's Aerospace business.--Chefmikesf (talk) 03:02, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 * That does look good, maybe I was looking at the wrong version. Will take a closer look and see about putting it into the article soon. - Indefensible (talk) 02:39, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Chefmikesf, please take a look and let me know if this is sufficient. - Indefensible (talk) 04:04, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Indefensible Thanks again for the update.--Chefmikesf (talk) 01:26, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

COVID-19 Content
Request: Honeywell has numerous mentions about its response to the current global pandemic. The article currently has no mention of Honeywell's participation, so I'm proposing a few sentences to summarize its response.

Context about the request: The proposed new subsection is called COVID-19 Response, and would be located below the 2015-Present paragraphs in History. Please see the section below with references for consideration in the article.

Sbelknap Do you have any interest in this suggested addition? Also, Indefensible this proposal mirrors our other COVID-19 content collaboration. Any thoughts on this proposal? Open to opinions and suggestions.

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COVID-19 Response
In response to the COVID-19 pandemic, Honeywell converted some of its manufacturing facilities in Rhode Island, Arizona, Michigan and Germany to produce critical supplies for healthcare and frontline workers. For N95 mask production, facilities in Smithfield, RI and Phoenix, AZ produce 20 million masks per month. Plants in Muskegon, MI and Seelze, Germany, were converted to produce hand sanitizer for government agencies.

Many local governments, including Arizona, Colorado, Florida and North Carolina separately contracted Honeywell to produce N95 masks. The North Carolina Task Force for Emergency Repurposing of Manufacturing (TFERM) awarded Honeywell a contract for the monthly delivery of 100,000 masks. The city of Los Angeles contracted Honeywell to produce 24 million N95 masks.

President Donald Trump visited the Honeywell Aerospace facility in Phoenix, AZ on May 5, 2020 where he acknowledged “the incredibly patriotic and hard-working men and women of Honeywell” for making N95 masks.

Thank you--Chefmikesf (talk) 18:59, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

2020 Article Updates
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Current Content

In 2018, Honeywell spun off both Honeywell Turbo Technologies (now Garrett Advancing Motion) and its consumer products business (Resideo); both companies are publicly traded on the New York Stock Exchange. For the fiscal year 2018, Honeywell reported net income of US$6.765 billion, with an annual revenue of US$41.802 billion, an increase of 3.13% over the previous fiscal cycle. Honeywell's shares traded at over $169 per share, and its market capitalization was valued at over US$120.26 billion in September 2019.

In 2019, Honeywell:
 * Launched Honeywell Forge, an Industrial Internet of Things analytics platform.
 * Relocated its corporate headquarters to Charlotte, North Carolina. Honeywell moved employees into a temporary headquarters building in Charlotte before their new building was complete.
 * Established Honeywell Robotics in Pittsburgh to focus on warehouse automation, working in collaboration with Carnegie Mellon University.

In March 2020, Honeywell announced that it was on the verge of making the most powerful quantum computer ever built.

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Rewritten Content

In 2018, Honeywell spun off both Honeywell Turbo Technologies (now Garrett Advancing Motion) and its consumer products business (Resideo); both companies are publicly traded on the New York Stock Exchange. For the fiscal year 2019, Honeywell reported net income of US$6.230 billion, with an annual revenue of US$36.709 billion, an decrease of 19.11% over the previous fiscal cycle. Honeywell's shares traded at over $158 per share, and its market capitalization was valued at over US$113.25 billion in September 2020.

Honeywell relocated its corporate headquarters in October 2019 to Charlotte, North Carolina. Honeywell moved employees into a temporary headquarters building in Charlotte before their new building was complete. Honeywell Forge launched as an analytics platform software for industrial and commercial applications such as aircraft, building, industrial, worker and cyber-security. In collaboration with Carnegie Mellon University National Robotics Engineering Center, the Honeywell Robotics was created in Pittsburgh to focus on supply chain transformation. The Honeywell robotic unloader grabs packages in tractor-trailers then places them on conveyer belts for handlers to sort. GoDirect Trade launched as an online marketplace for surplus aircraft parts such as engines, electronics, and APU parts. Honeywell announced, in March 2020, its quantum computer is based on trapped ions, its expected quantum value is at least 64; the world’s most powerful quantum computer.

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Minor Updates

Corporate governance

Remove inactive board member  Jaime Chico Pardo

Remove inactive board member Bradley T. Sheares

Add new board member  Deborah Flint

Add new board member Raymond T. Odierno

Acquisitions

Add Tru-Trak Flight Systems to the acquisition table

--Chefmikesf (talk) 19:28, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Minor Updates to Honeywell's Article
Hello Grand&#39;mere Eugene,

I also work on the Honeywell article and have a few minor edits to finish up. Would you be able to take a look at these as well? Please let me know if you have any questions!

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Minor Updates

Corporate governance

Remove inactive board member  Jaime Chico Pardo

Remove inactive board member Bradley T. Sheares

Add new board member  Deborah Flint

Add new board member Raymond T. Odierno

Acquisitions

Add Tru-Trak Flight Systems to the acquisition table

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One Sentence Addition
 * In September 2020, Honeywell and their predecessor AlliedSignal, celebrated their 100 year anniversary on the NYSE.

--Chefmikesf (talk) 19:46, 9 December 2020 (UTC)