Talk:Hong Kong Cantonese/Archive 1

deleted che kei from exported phrases/words
I have never seen it used in colloquial/slang English here in England. Kommodorekerz (talk) 20:51, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

bus conductor borrowed?
I always thought the phrase 車長 comes from the fact that 長 (elderly) is respected, e.g. 長老, 家長, 兄長, and literally meaning the respected in vehicles, similar to (pun not intended) 站長.

Does anyone have reliable sources to prove the claim it is borrowed from Japanese? Unfortunately the only reference cited at the end also refer to this wiki page, potentially creating circular dependency. Kommodorekerz 20:51, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Remove. 車長 is a term invented by KMB in 1990s. Before that, the bus company used 司機 instead. &mdash; HenryLi (Talk) 02:26, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Lazy sounds
Let me just briefly explain my reason for editing. Yes, lazy sounds are easily distinguished and linguistically not accepted. The infamous mixing-up of /n/ and /l/ is common, but hasn't become so worse as being common among the younger generation - at least I won't speak lazy sounds. If efforts have not been made to make students study those sounds, the trend would be predictable. As of now, although not everyone (mostly any Cantonese speaker aged at least 14 or 16) understands and uses Cantonese pinyin (even me), the media (news reporters and actors) generally don't mix up /n/ and /l/, for instance.

As for remedy, schools now start teaching pinyin for secondary 1 students (as of 2006), which was never practiced in 1999. I searched on HKSAR government's websites and found that some schools occasionally hold talks reminding the audiences of "Proper Cantonese pronunciation". The SAR government may be encouraging this, but since I'm not sure, I didn't put this.--Fitzwilliam 04:31, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

hyper correction
One common example is that of the word 愛, meaning "love." Even though the standard pronunciation should be /ɔ̄ːi/, the word is often incorrectly pronounced as /ŋɔ̄ːi/.

This is NOT a hyper correction. Before the phrase "懶音" is invented, Cantonese speakers pronounce the word 愛 with an ng initial because the word sounds better with the nasal. I think phonological shifts are natural and it is unwise (and almost impossible) to stop it. Take the final stops as an example. http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E6%BC%A2%E8%AA%9E%E9%9F%B3%E9%9F%BB%E5%AD%B8&variant=zh-tw#.E5.AE.8B.E4.BB.A3.E9.9F.B3.E9.9F.B5.E5.8F.B2 學者從宋代人的詩詞發現到入聲正在漸漸消失. 第一步是 -k 與 -t　合一 This phenomenon happened before, but I have heard anyone (except 可炆煨) tried to stop the merging and call other people "lazy" in the past.119.236.110.68 (talk) 15:28, 12 January 2009 (UTC)Squn

何文匯
Does anybody think that the terrible effect on Cantonese by 傻盲匯's 邪音 should be added in the article? Only Hong Kong but not Guangdong follows him. I cannot do this alone with my broken English.116.49.185.159 (talk) 09:44, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Squn

Accuracy?
I personally am questioning some of these entries. "奸爸爹" literally translates to "rape your father", for one. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 10:14, 15 August 2009 (UTC) "奸爸爹" do literally translates to "rape your father", but as the pronunciation of "奸爸爹" in Cantonese is similar to "頑張って". It is true for Hong Kongers use "奸爸爹" to replace "頑張って".--Lauhenry (talk) 06:43, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I doubt the rape translation. The same word 奸 mainly means evil or mischievous and only when it is used as the short form of 強奸(or more accurately, 強姦, so 奸 is only a homophone) is means rape.  Anyway, this is obviously a transliteration. —Preceding signed comment added by MythSearchertalk  07:26, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * em...Hong Konger do write "奸爸爹" to mean "頑張って" and overriding/ignoring the literal meaning. Maybe Hong Kongers are so influenced by Japanese culture and automatically realize that is a foreign word. like "Toast" become "多士" and it literally translates to "many (educated) people", indeed very frightening in a menu if you understand the word only literally.--Lauhenry (talk) 15:42, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Imported loanwords
The glyph 呔 is usually dedicated for neck-tie and bow-tie. For tire in vehicles, there is another dedicated glyth 軚.

There is also another loanword with radical 車 written as 𨋢 (lip1), which stands for lift the elevator (升降機).

泊 is not that much a loanword. It as a verb traditionally means berthing. Using the word 泊 together with 車 is more likely an extension of the concept from ships and boats to cars and trucks, rather than loaning from English.

Billyswong (talk) 08:40, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Can we get some transcriptions here?
I could provide at least some of the transcriptions into Standard Mandarin Pinyin, but I'm totally useless on either form of Cantonese. Can someone go through wherever there are characters and provide transcriptions in Standard Mandarin and Cantonese? That would make looking at this article that much less frustrating. Lockesdonkey (talk) 07:13, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Merge candidate: Colloquial Cantonese in Hong Kong
I just came across an article titled "Colloquial Cantonese in Hong Kong". Perhaps it should be merged into "Hong Kong Cantonese". --Kevjonesin (talk) 02:40, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, it has some useful information but it's a very substandard piece for English WP. Some of its material needs to go into this page and then the remainder scrapped and page deleted. sirlanz Sirlanz 03:15, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The two articles shouldn't be merged because they're ultimately talking about two different topics. However, some of the information on the Colloquial Cantonese in Hong Kong page does overlap with this one, and the layout of the "Colloquial" page is really bad by WP standards. Tseung Kwan O Tseung Kwan O 09:25, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

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Cantonese IPA
I noticed that the IPA usage throughout the page varies a lot especially with tone marking, from section to section. It looks a bit sloppy but I'm not very familiar with Cantonese or the standard Cantonese IPA. If someone is and could go through and make sure it's consistent throughout the page, that would make it look a lot better. 2WR1 (talk) 20:57, 21 January 2019 (UTC)