Talk:Hong Kong Disneyland/Archive 1

Page Edit
I edited the page yesterday in an attempt to make it more neutral and less error prone. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. As of now I think it is safe to remove the neutrality and quality boxes, although they may be added back if deemed necessary. Toadwildride (talk) 18:19, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Just, Wow
"Additionally due to the huge number of mainland visitors, the facilities of this Disneyland had been wantonly damaged."

That's about the most overgeneralizing bit of xenophobia that I've ever seen get through the wikipedia process.

I agree. That's appaling. The author of that snippet has pretty much stereotyped all mainland Chinese as slovenly rubbish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.1.114 (talk) 23:51, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Neutral Point of View
The large section of criticisms is simply a catalog of complaints that contain no citations other than a blog from a disgruntled musician and appears to be intentionally slanted. The uncited comment and quip about half the workers being from the Phillipines is perjorative as it implies that workers of Filipino origin are some kind of problem. The anecdotal evidence of allegedly rude overseas employees is just that and should be removed. The uncited paragraph on lack of law enforcement is nonsensical as its justification is an incident where so called 'law enforcement' officials from the local health department were asked to remove their badges and hats before going into the park to investigate an alleged case of food poisoning. While one could complain that it was inappropriate to ask the officials to go incognito, that's not the same as being restricted from doing their job yet the paragraph implies there is a lack of law enforcement. Similarly, the uncited paragraph on poor working conditions of Disney employees goes off the track when it discusses merchandising contracts with mainland China and their alleged lack of good working conditions. Then the paragraph complains about the alleged low pay of the Disney costume character workers without noting comparable wages for similar work in Hong Kong. The paragraphs on environment and so called problems are also fully uncited. 24.27.203.163 06:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The section on Guest Behaviour is also highly PoV and cites no references. Should simply delete in my opinion. --Benbattle 12:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge
I believe that Hong Kong Disneyland Resort and Hong Kong Disneyland should not be merged because;
 * Hong Kong Disneyland Resort is the collective name of
 * Hong Kong Disneyland
 * Disneyland Hotel
 * Disney's Hollywood Hotel
 * Inspiration Lake
 * Disneytown

The article Hong Kong Disneyland is about the actual theme park, whereas Hong Kong Disneyland Resort details on all aspects of the resort. As much as it may seem unclear, take a look at Disneyland Resort and Disneyland. The actual park and the resort it is in are two completely different things - this is how the documentation of Walt Disney Parks and Resorts works on Wikipedia. Please compare Hong Kong Disneyland Resort and Hong Kong Disneyland to these examples and you may get a clear picture; Disneyland Paris is a theme park in the Disneyland Resort Paris which also includes another theme park and several hotels as well as the Disney Village. The Magic Kingdom is the flagship park at WDW, yet it is just one part of a much bigger resort. Disneyland has been open for fifty years, whereas the Disneyland Resort was only inaugurated in 2001 - yet Disneyland is still a part of the Disneyland Resort.
 * Disneyland Paris and Disneyland Resort Paris
 * The Magic Kingdom and Walt Disney World Resort
 * Disneyland and Disneyland Resort

I hope you understand. Any further additions of the merge sign to either article will be taken as vandalism. Thanks in advance.--Speedway 17:18, May 24, 2005 (UTC)

Disneyland Railroad
I am wondering if the new railway in Disneyland uses Steam Engine or electric trains.

I am working in the Train...It is a gasoline train

Disney tradition vs. HK's
Quote: "Disney fans are unhappy as this is less Disney and more Hong Kong".

Comment: "More Hong Kong"? What does that mean exactly? Care to elaborate? --Menchi 07:05, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * maybe it means there is more Hong Kong culture then Disney..umm.. stuff? --AlexTheMartian 09:02, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC)


 * The entire "public view" section is POV. -- 17:12, December 7, 2004 (UTC)


 * Somebody removed the public view section.
 * ==Public Views==


 * Disney fans have voiced their disappointment at the direction the Chinese Disneyland will be taking. Although the layout will be mediumly based on the traditional Disneyland/Magic Kingdom design, it is focusing less on rides and more on visual beauty as the Chinese seem to prefer this. As 80% of the park's visitors will be based in Hong Kong, this is the best direction to take business-wise, but Disney fans are unhappy as this is less Disney and more Hong Kong.

I'm the author of the Public Views section. My reason for stating the 'more Hong Kong, less Disney' quote is that basically in order to please the Chinese more than traditional Disney fans - as the majority of visitors will be Chinese - the Imagineers have created a more visually beautiful park which the Chinese seem to prefer to traditional Disney 'magic', i.e. breath-taking rides. The park will focus on more elaborate gardens, and more detailed scenery etc. It's pretty sad that someone deleted the section because they didn't feel it fitted in with their personal views. Well it happens on Wikipedia all the time I suppose.

I personally believe that the lack of rides and the stress on a more aesthetically pleasing park has nothing to do with anything Chinese or non-Chinese. Rather, it's a matter of the small space in Hong Kong. They just can't build anything "gigantic" there, and so there are many facilities that can't be found in Hong Kong.

That's really not much of an excuse. Hong Kong is known for its land reclamation projects; just look at how much land has been created along both sides of Victoria Harbour over the past 40 years. Hell, much of Hong Kong International Airport is an artificial island. Most of the park's visitors will be from Hong Kong and mainland China... I'm under the impression that the park gives them a teaser of what the larger Disney parks in the US have to offer. If the park's successful, Hong Kong gets a new tourist moneymaker and Disney advertises their main parks in the US to the Chinese market.--Madchester 06:37, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

The views on whether the Chinese like flowers over fun are not mine, I took them from Disney's excuse. Sorry if it came across that way. --Speedway 19:22, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

"History" section?
With regards to a little tussle I had with User:Instantnood over whether an 82-year-old woman's unfortunate death is important for this page, I think it is obvious there seem to be no appiopriate place to report subsequent events since the park's opening...be it a positive or negative event. Surely it would be nice to report on subsequent visitorship figures and any impact on HK's economy and so forth? This should usually be found just after the "construction" section, since it is usually chronological?

Comments?--Huaiwei 20:49, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Information not specific to the park, e.g. impact on the economy of Hong Kong, should be included in the Hong Kong Disneyland Resort article. :-) &mdash; Instantnood 06:15, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Link removed
I do not believe that my link should be removed simply because it is perceived to be promoting a personal website. The fact is that the site is an additional source of information on the Hong Kong Disneyland Resort, including many things not found on the official site (trip reports, opinions, photos). If my link is to be removed, then so should the official site, as it is merely promoting a COMMERCIAL interest, as opposed to my fan-based one, for which we received no financial compensation. At the time of writing, HKDLSource was the ONLY unofficial view of the park that took a comprehensive approach. Thank you.
 * HKDL Source (Fan site)


 * Greetings. The link was removed in accordance with Wikipedia's policy regarding apparent conflicts of interest. Please review the guidelines regarding external links for further clarification. Thank you. Justin Eiler 02:59, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

In response to the above, I would direct you to point 5. "Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article". HKDL Source contains a number of useful statistics, prices, and reviews that offer opinion on the park. These would not be appropriate to the Wikipedia article, as they contain opinions. However, for the most part, the site is filled with additional detail that would be too numerous to list in the Wikipedia article. This is one of the many reasons the link should be included and be added to the directory once again.


 * Which brings us to an apparent conflict of interest. In general, it is best practice to improve your website to the point that others feel that it is notable enough to include in the article--this is the policy I take regarding the websites that I own or have a major operational task in. I do not, and will not, ever post those websites on Wikipedia. A pertinant line from the conflict of interest guidelines is "Don't write about yourself, nor about the things you've done or created. If they are encyclopedic, somebody else will notice them and write an article about them." Justin Eiler 03:14, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

This seems quite arbitrary. In other words, if somebody else (who couldn't possibly be a friend or relative) were to post a link to a website they have no immediate role in, then it would be an acceptable contribution under your guidelines. However, because it was determined that I have a role in the website posted, it is deemed a conflict of interest.

Link removed
original : news article is not there anymore &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.50.116.10 (talk • contribs). 23:39, November 1, 2005 (UTC)
 * Chinese Bring culture schock to HK Disney
 * There are other sources on the Internet, such as, by searching on Google. &mdash; Instantnood 15:10, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup tag
I've added a cleanup tag to the second half of the article because some of it is 100% un-encylopedia, e.g. "In other news". Whereas some other part seems also to me to read like a newspaper. Whether that is just because of writing styles, need for wikify, or hidden underlying copyright problems I'm not sure. I can see a need for improvement, but unfortunaly don't think I'm capable of doing it. -- KTC 03:58, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Construction section is weak
The Construction section contains details about only one event -- a ceremonial "topping off" of Sleeping Beauty Castle. Considering that the entire resort is built on reclaimed land (what was once an ocean bay), there's an opportunity for much more information here. Whoville 22:21, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree! I visited Hong Kong back in 2001 and stayed near the construction site. It was only in early stages but it was already under construction back then. At the time, it seemed like some kinda futuristic theme park but funny how its fully operational after all those years. I miss HK.

Should we merge the info of future extensions into the construction section? PoonKaMing 10:18, 4 March 2006 (HKT)

"Summer 2006"?
It says early on in the page that Phase 1 Extension should be complete around Summer 2006. Whose summer is that? Summer in Hong Kong, summer in the U.S.? Summer kind of varies with the hemisphere. --Anoma lee 14:53, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

It's the same; they are both in the northern hemisphere.

Oops, thought Hong Kong was southern hemisphere. My bad '_';; --Anoma lee 01:47, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

"Rudeness of employees"
This section needs to be changed. Add citations or links to news articles quoting celebrities who have complained about rude employees.

This section is horrible, written from POV and unsourced. I will seriously rewrite this section and possibly delete it unless someone can properly source it. --UCLARodent 11:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

October 2006 (has come and gone)
Although the park is the smallest Disneyland in the world, the park will reveal an expansion plan in October, 2006.

This sentence needs updating. Mip | Talk 22:29, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Ocean Park
Seems like this article lacks mention of competition between Disneyland and Ocean Park. HkCaGu (talk) 20:00, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Disneyland hotel guest and park entry
Please inform me if I am allowed free entry to the park as a hotel guest. Or I have to purchase the entry tkt at regular rates. Pranv, India —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.67.187 (talk) 12:44, 2 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, this is not really a question that should be answered in this talk section. You might consider visiting Wikitravel, which is designed as a how-to travel guide, or the resort's official website, which would provide contact information. --McDoobAU93 (talk) 19:04, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Controversy section
the controversy section has the line which says "Just before the grand opening, the park was criticised for overestimating the daily capacity limit" then goes to talk about how there werre too many people. so shouldn;t that be underestimated the capacity instead? Gman 124 talk 19:00, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

No, it means that they thought there was enough space for all those people, then they found out there actually wasn't enough. Jc86035 (talk) 07:09, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Bad Math?
The text claims that from 4 million to 4.5 million is an increase of 8%. Assuming standard rounding practices, that's, at a minimum, an increase of 4.05 to 4.45 million, which is an increase of 10% (0.4/4.05). If the figures were exact, it would an increase of 12.5% (0.5/4). 65.96.162.67 (talk) 06:40, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

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