Talk:Honorific nicknames in popular music/Archive 5

Senseless?
This list is so stupid and made for idiots. I mean, you can't just put in douzens of artist and call them "God", "King" of whatever, "queen" of this and that, etc. This could be one of those stupid youtube lists, people make to show them their taste. Jay-Z, Snoop, Kurtis Blow and OBVIOUSLY Kanye West are NOT KINGS in Rap. 2pac and Biggie, and Eazy-E and Big L aren't neither. Nobody wants to have that. It's just confusing, because there are many perspectives about hip hop, so everyone could be a king. And it's so unnecessary and - yeah, stupid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.217.217.183 (talk) 00:00, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * If reliable sources have assigned an honorific name to an artist, then they should be included here, regardless of anyone's personal taste. If you look through past archives, and view the inclusion criteria above, you'll see that this article has stood the test of time. However, if you disagree with such long-standing consensus, please feel free to nominate it for deletion. Thanks. Hengist Pod (talk) 00:06, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

This article talks about artists who have been given a title by the Music industry, not by their fans. I don't know why you're getting so worked up about it. If a reliable source states that a certain artist was given a title by the industry, and there is proof of this, then they should be included in this list - it has nothing to do with youtube or anything of the sort. Mk762007 (talk) 14:56, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

BRRRITNEEEEYYYYYYY
put the title ULTIMATE POP PRINCESS...she has that title

sources: http://www.sodahead.com/entertainment/whos-the-ultimate-pop-princess-britney-or-christina/question-636257/

http://www.cocosteaparty.com/2010/08/ultimate-pop-princess-oh-excitement.html

http://www.ypulse.com/britney-remains-a-pop-princess-to-this-generation-of-teen-girls

124.6.181.91 (talk) 05:38, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think you understand the meaning of this list. 狐 Déan rolla bairille!   09:48, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Kraftwerk: "The Godfathers of Electronic Music"
I've noticed that Kraftwerk is frequently referred to as "The Godfathers of Electronic Music" and thought they should be included on this. For instance: http://www.last.fm/music/Kraftwerk "often described as 'the godfathers of electronic music'"

and here: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/4556-tour-de-france-soundtracks/ Pitchfork refers to them as "the godfathers of the genre"

A Google search for "The Godfathers of Electronic Music" yields tens of thousands of hits, the vast majority of which are in reference to Kraftwerk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmichelen (talk • contribs) 16:52, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Rei (King) Roberto Carlos
Roberto Carlos is cited like "King" in Brazil. His fan club is named "Clube do Rei" (King Club)

Isn't fair this topic includes Daniela Mercury and forget Roberto Carlos.

Google: http://www.google.com.br/search?aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%22roberto+carlos%22+rei

Profandrade (talk) 12:20, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

About Roberto Carlos,

In Brazil, Roberto is considered "King" or "King of Brazillian Music", because "initiated a major revolution of customs in Brazil in the '60s." and is responsable for the resurgence of the brazillian music, in a global landscape. But, around the world, he's is seen as the King of Latin Music and, sometimes, is cited as the Latin Version of Frank Sinatra.

source:
 * http://www.latercera.cl/contenido/30_22664_9.shtml {in Spanish}
 * http://www.allmusic.com/artist/p29015
 * http://latinmusic.about.com/od/artists/p/PRO01RCARLOS.htm
 * http://oglobo.globo.com/cultura/robertocarlos/

Bezaaum talk page 16:49, 4 July 2011 (GMT)

Diva of Japanese Pop
Utada Hikaru is always praised around the world. She has 33 Japan Gold Disc Awards, the Japanese Grammys; was considered, by The Japan Times, "the most influential artist of the decade" in the Japanese landscape"; and a Japanese/Asian Diva by Time/CNN.

references:
 * http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1000787-1,00.html
 * http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fm20091218a1.html

Bezaaum talk page 16:24, 4 July 2011 (GMT)

Rakim
The God Emcee — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.232.38.196 (talk) 07:59, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Lady Gaga
I've found a site that claims her as the "Queen Of Pop":

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a328537/lady-gaga-beats-britney-spears-to-digital-spy-queen-of-pop-crown.html

Could it be included? --79.199.33.69 (talk) 00:28, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

She asked to be called Hooker of Pop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuMMkakTDRM&feature=player_embedded — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.140.12.246 (talk) 16:18, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Beyonce's second source is not correct.
Delete her from the list, no one even calls her "queen of pop"

I agree --XtinoFrost (talk) 17:24, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Lee Hyori the "Queen of K-Pop"
I know that BoA is already there, but Lee Hyori is also very often considered the Queen of K-Pop. Any strong followers of K-Pop know this, but as far as full out references go, it's hard to find. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krasi183 (talk • contribs) 04:50, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Recent major changes to format
There have been some major changes to the article that were without an explanatory summary and not discussed on this talkpage, so here is an opportunity. I have reverted the addition of several pictures because they viewed badly on a narrow display - although I certainly have no objection in principle to more pictures if a technical fix can be found. On the other issues, how do editors feel about the change to a combined table that is alphabetical by name not title? Is this easier or harder to search? On balance I think I preferred the previous format, as it put the emphasis on the nicknames and not the artists. I am not sure that I would come to this article to find someone's nickname, I would probably go to their article, and I think this might increase the tendency to try to get titles "registered" which is the bane of regular editors, but others may differ in their view. There are also some issues with alphabetisation - but those can no doubt be resolved. I think the reorganisation of the group titles is the most problematic change, as this now mixes groups and individuals who have some shared (usually numbered) title. I can see why that was done in this scheme, but it means that potentially two searches might have to be done for an individual. Any thoughts or explanations, as ever, are welcome.-- SabreBD  (talk)  23:54, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I can understand wanted to organize the page by artist rather than title, but at first glance, it seems a lot messier than the previous format. If this page is specifically focusing on the phenomenon of nicknames then that should be how the article is organized. Though I don't have too firm of a stance either way. The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  04:35, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Eliyasbaran, 9 August 2011
Please change Shadmehr Aghili King of Persian Pop to mohsen chavoshi king of persian pop because he is very popular singer in iran and 3 year stable his albums bestsolding in iran

Eliyasbaran (talk) 07:00, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you have any sources that say that they are the new King of Persian Pop? Otherwise it would be considered original research.  Jnorton7558 (talk) 08:46, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Dennis Deyoung
Dennis Deyoung of Styx has been frequently known as both the "Synth Doctor" and "Mr. Sex" - both of which should maybe be included here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.103.124 (talk) 17:39, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That is just a nickname, not clearly a honorific.-- SabreBD  (talk)  19:32, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Wendy O. Williams
Wendy O. Williams is known as "Queen of Shock Rock", "Queen of Punk", and the "High Priestess of Metal", I believe she should be included. I also believe Lee Aaron is known simply as "Metal Queen", not "Queen of Heavy Metal Rock". Ostalocutanje (talk) 20:06, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Madonna
You should have the Material Girl as one of her nicknames. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.132.145.27 (talk) 14:20, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
 * This article is not just a list of nicknames.-- SabreBD  (talk)  14:42, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Rose of Gospel?
Where is Dorinda Clark Cole. She has been titled the "Rose of Gospel", yet we can't edit it to put her in. Well, anyone can edit, please add her to the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mfanforever (talk • contribs) 01:39, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Whitney Houston
Hello everyone. I would like to know the opinion of other editors regarding Whitney Houston's nicknames: "The Voice" and "Prom Queen of Soul" (source for the latter: ). I think both of these are honorific and can be added since they were coined by the industry [and not by Houston's relatives or acquaintances]. Novice7 (talk) 14:06, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * "Prom Queen of Soul" is definitely relevant to this page, I have added it. Not sure about "The Voice", but Frank Sinatra also have that title on the list, so I don't understand why your edit was reverted. Bluesatellite (talk) 11:35, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Whitney Is the Voice. Oprah stated it and pretty much everyone in the industry refers to her as that. please change it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tombo671 (talk • contribs) 10:05, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm surprised that anyone would doubt "The Voice" when it comes to Whitney. I mean, it's a worldwide thing, numerous people, on numerous occasions have called her that. Oprah gave her the nickname and it just took off after that, everyone knows it.

Check these links, and please, add the nickname, it's long overdue.

http://entertainment.time.com/2012/02/11/the-voice-of-america-whitney-houston-1963-2012/ http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/whitney-houston http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Voice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitney_Houston — Preceding unsigned comment added by NippyNBL (talk • contribs) 02:18, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Whitney Houston has been known as The Voice for a LONG time. It should be added to her on this page. NBJames (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:33, 18 May 2012 (UTC).

Faith Hill/Tim McGraw
The Queen and King of Country music? Sources:, , ? What do you guys think? Novice7 (talk) 16:38, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

John Farnham
He's widely regarded by the title "The Voice" by many in the industry, and that title is listed for Frank Sinatra as well. He was also crowned "King of Pop" for five consecutive years: (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_nominations_received_by_John_Farnham} but given that's an award, not sure if it counts. --Clarrisani (talk) 15:11, 11 November 2011 (UTC)


 * http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/the-voice-john-farnham-out-of-retirement-again/story-e6frfn09-1226071426568
 * http://www.couriermail.com.au/entertainment/music/john-farnham-stands-test-of-time/story-e6freqgx-1226183059161
 * http://www.v8supercars.com.au/championship/newsarticle/the-voice-visits-the-toll-holden-racing-team/tabid/70/newsid/11854/default.aspx

Edit request from, 18 November 2011
Conway Twitty: The High Priest of Country Music

NASCARFAN235 (talk) 04:11, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * ❌, needs a source-- Jac 16888 Talk 04:13, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

New pics
I am fine with the pictures added so far, but should we put the nicknames in the captions - perhaps in inverted commas?-- SabreBD  (talk)  13:21, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I'll make sure to add those. —DAP388 (talk) 16:33, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ —DAP388 (talk) 17:16, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, my first impression is that those pictures are mostly Pop-oriented, and from the US. For a worldwide view, we should strive to have at least one major artist from ever continent, as well as a dominant figure in every genre. There should also be a preference for historical acts (since that is what the introduction primarily discusses) not just recent high-profile acts. The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  08:27, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree, there is a lot of recentism here and a bias to pop in the US. It would be better to have a wider distribution of pics that reflects the content of the article.-- SabreBD  (talk)  09:27, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Made some changes accordingly. The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  10:28, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That is great. Much more balanced. I guess we fit a few more in at the bottom if there are suitable images of groups.-- SabreBD  (talk)  12:08, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

ABC
Would be great if you guys also list all the artists in ABC-order. Just a thought, tho. Uzerakount (talk) 18:42, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * "Also list" - does that mean you want the list twice?-- SabreBD  (talk)  08:49, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I mean(t) to arrange all the artists/groups in ABC-order as some of them appear disordered yet. Uzerakount (talk) 21:19, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

BRITNEY SPEARS is now dubbed as "Pop's Ultimate Femme Ftale"!!!!!!!!
MTV:She is pop's ultimate femme fatale http://m.mtv.com/news/article.rbml?id=1675474 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Apocalyp (talk • contribs) 08:44, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Please read the criteria at the top of this page. One person calling someone something doesn't make it a honorific nickname.-- SabreBD  (talk)  08:49, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

The Monkees
Back in the day they were called "The Pre-Fab Four", an obvious reference to the Beatle's honorific. Pcnky (talk) 15:00, 29 December 2011 (UTC) comment added by 204.110.16.11 (talk) 13:29, 29 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Its true. Disparaging, but its true --RThompson82 (talk) 03:30, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Loretta Lynn
First Lady of Country--Pcnky (talk) 15:00, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Jimmy Martin
"King of Bluegrass" --Pcnky (talk) 15:01, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 January 2012
mariah carey is also honored as the queen of r&b source from: http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Contemporary_R%26B http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2003-11/07/content_1165813.htm queen of christmas source from: http://www.wearepopslags.com/abc-christmas-special-mariah-carey-merry-christmas-to-you/ http://newsroom.mtv.com/2011/09/01/justin-bieber-mariah-carey-christmas-album/ http://itunes.apple.com/au/album/merry-christmas-ii-you/id401838840

Andrew7313 (talk) 09:01, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The reference.com source is a mirror of an old version of the Contemporary R&B article, which currently makes no such claim and the reference.com source provides no reference. The rest are the kind of general references mentioned in the inclusion topic above. Lastly, the iTunes source is referencing a user review, which is totally unreliable. Even one of the sources says "for all intents and purposes" and "unofficial". I don't think it's enough to go on. If you can find a reliable source that says she's "known as" or "widely regarded as" etc., then we can put it in. — Bility (talk) 17:36, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Why??
why were male and female artists combined? it just looks like a mess. --99.101.160.159 (talk) 05:20, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Christina Aguilera
This article lists Aguilera as the "Queen/Princess of Pop," however no listed source actually refers to her as "Queen of Pop." Under your listed sources, she is only deemed "Princess of Pop" and "Queen of Reinvention." Either a source should be added to verify usage of the term "Queen," or the word should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.147.78.168 (talk) 01:47, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Then, where in this world Beyonce is Queen of Pop? I mean please. --XtinoFrost (talk) 17:23, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Eazy-E
Eazy-E is most often recognized as the "Godfather of Gangsta Rap" and due to the lack of rap artists on here, I suppose it would be a proper addition due to it being his most affectionate nickname. Many sources can be found referring to Eazy-E as the Godfather of Gangsta Rap, including his own wikipedia article. In fact if one was to type in a google search for "Godfather of Gangsta Rap," Eazy-E's name pops up. Here is a source referring to him as such. http://thuglifearmy.com/news/90-godfather-of-gangsta-rap-eazy-e-dies.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.171.103.107 (talk) 02:57, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

This page needs a serious clean-up
I had a look at a few of these that made me think and there's a fair few where googling their so-called nicknames brings you only this page, or this page and perhaps one fawning interview somewhere. it's clear that this page is being edited by fans of certain artists despite that artist never being referred to by that so-called honorific outside of the editor's head, or perhaps at best amongst hardcore fans of the artist only. this page should be put on lockdown, edited by someone neutral and remove all artists whose name plus their alleged honorific fail a google test. otherwise this is a nonsense resource. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.2.88.238 (talk) 23:51, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You are right, there has been a build up of what looks like additions on very thin evidence. I will try to find time to do a clean-up and delete entries that do not meet the agreed criteria at the top of this page. If another editor familiar with the criteria gets there before me, then by all means go ahead.-- SabreBD  (talk)  08:32, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

edit request: Aguilera
Christina Aguilera's "Princess of Pop" and "Queen of Pop" should occur in separate wikitable boxes, like how all the other paired Queen/Princess of Pops are listed in the table (ie. Janet Jackson's, etc) 70.24.247.54 (talk) 14:05, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Already done Thanks, Celestra (talk) 23:15, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Rick Ross
What about "The Boss" for rapper Rick Ross. It has been a nickname that as been given to him since (about) 2008. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.89.243.100 (talk) 03:37, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit Request: Patti LaBelle
Patti LaBelle's been called 'Queen of Rock and Soul' and 'Godmother of Soul' since the 1990s I believe. Source — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.172.225.27 (talk) 02:23, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Lester Young
How about Prez? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:44, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Wasn't really expecting objections. But any preference between Prez and Pres? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:58, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It was Billie Holiday who originally gave Young his nickname "Pres", short for President."Lester Young: Biography by Scott Yanow" at allmusic.com Martinevans123 (talk) 14:16, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Queen of Fado - Amália Rodrigues (Portugal)
Fado ("fate or destiny" in English) is a world music genre of Portugal that belongs to UNESCO's Intangible cultural heritage since 2011. Amália Rodrigues is unanimously called "Rainha do Fado" (Queen of Fado) by both music critics (national and international) and the Portuguese people. I think she should be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.153.118.151 (talk) 17:02, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you have a WP:RS source, or even several, that could be used in the article? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:02, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Kings of Pop Punk
Blink 182 has been called the kings of pop punk numerous times, they have also been cited as an influence far more than any other pop punk band. Also, their hit song "All The Small Things" became the first pop punk, or any kind of punk, song to reach top 10 on the US Hot Charts, as well as #1 on Modern Rock charts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.239.116 (talk) 03:28, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reliable source (preferably more than one) that addresses Blink 182 as the Kings of Pop Punk?--kelapstick(bainuu) 03:31, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I tried posting this earlier but Wikipedia blocked the links, reference 1 ref 2ref 3 ref 4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.239.116 (talk) 03:43, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, as for sources, the first I would say is not acceptable (buzznet.com), second (Wikianswers) definately not acceptable, third (nicolefrehee.com) looks like she contributes to major publications, however this is her website, Southern Utah University News I would say probably not. Overall I would say these are not what you need to add to the page.--kelapstick(bainuu) 04:03, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Liberace?
Does Liberace belong on the list? His honorific nick-name was Mr. Showmanship. --RThompson82 (talk) 03:31, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * To be honest I am not sure. If this can be supported with reliable source, I am not sure if this is a honorific title or just a nickname. Any other view on this one?-- SabreBD  (talk)  07:46, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * There is a Mister Excitement and a Mister Country Music on the list, but I don't see either of the three as being honorific. --kelapstick(bainuu) 09:05, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The title Mr certainly is an honour in some parts! I think it's also meant to carry the connotation of "the personification of". But yes, the such titles are rather open to overuse, especially in tabloid headlines. Not that one ever reads any tabloids, of course. But wasn't Liberace Mr Showoffship? Perhaps he awarded the honour to himself. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:13, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Editing Issue:
It appears that somebody misplaced two of Britney Spears' honorifics under the name category instead of its appropriate placement in the column one over to the right.

Can somebody remedy this?

Zachsafteryou (talk) 10:19, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Also:

Can somebody add the honorific "Mother Monster" in Lady Gaga's honorific column. I believe it applies based on the introductory passage's references to religion.

Citation: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/may/14/lady-gaga-interview

Zachsafteryou (talk) 10:31, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Queen of R&B
Shouldn't Mariah Carey be the real Queen of R&B instead of Beyonce?--XtinoFrost (talk) 17:43, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Consensus on pictured artists
There was a discussion on this a while back but I think it needs revisiting. There was consensus that there needs to be a worldview, meaning using popular artists from around the world and not disproportionately representing the US or the UK. Additionally, all genres should be given equal weight. So I was thinking of a list of making a list of criteria that everyone else can comment on.

Genre
A list of essential genres to represent
 * Pop music - a concern question here is do we include sub genres from other countries (k-pop, j-pop etc) or not.
 * Rhythm and blues
 * Rock music
 * Hip hop
 * Rap music
 * Country music
 * Jazz
 * Classical music

There is also a concern for article structure. Before we listed the nicknames by gender and group. As of now its listed by surname and group. We could also consider remaking the article divided by genre instead.

Historical acts
Historical acts should be featured over recent acts. The article introduction cover the long history of assigning honorifics to artists, so the earliest known nicknames should be addressed and emphasized over the numerous modern artist that have adopted the trend.

Number of artists
I thought at first that only one artist from each genre would be sufficient, but 2 could also be reasonable. A second thought is that if anyone would be willing to make a composite picture with multiple artists, it could show how one nickname can be assigned to a multitude of artists (ex: King of Rock and Roll, Queen of Pop). A composite picture could also resolve any arguments of "fairness" where nicknames with a long history of multiple recipients are called into question. The Bookkeeper  (of the Occult)  23:55, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Just to endorse pretty much all the above, and especially running over a few of these issues. I think for now one per genre is good enough and think that historic acts are to be preferred. There are probably irresolvable issues about more recent acts, like the fact that if any female has two consecutive singles they will be called the "new queen of pop", but it doesn't make them a Madonna or Janet J. and we would be right to favour long established acts. I should also point out that the pictures display differently on different displays and on narrow one the current list does fill the page, so there may be little opportunity for more additions.--  SabreBD  (talk) 23:43, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * What do you think of the composite photo idea? An example like this is what I was driving at. For instance one picture caption could read The nickname "King of Rock and Roll" as been associated with Chuck Berry, Fat Domino, Alan Freed, Bill Haley, Little Richard, and most prominently, Elvis Presley. Each has an exceptional source and the intro does a good job of indication why multiple acts are associated with one nickname. Similarly, we could do a composite with Madonna, Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, Celine Dion and Mariah Carey who are long term established acts with exceptional sources who have been called the Queen of Pop. I'm bad at photo editing so we'd still have to find someone to do it. The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  01:11, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the composite pictures are a very good idea. I am a bit busy for the next few days, but if no one else volunteers I will give it a go, perhaps at the weekend.--  SabreBD  (talk) 06:40, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Two other considerations based on sources would be "King of Country" and "Queen of Country". The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  06:41, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Move to list
Someone brought this up ages ago and I just now dawned on me again. This is more accurately a list article correct? Meaning it should be moved back to List of honorific nicknames in popular music? The Bookkeeper  (of the Occult)  21:05, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * It probably is a good idea. What do we do with the introduction? Its probably a bit long for a list article. We could keep it here as an article and move the list to List of Honorific nicknames in popular music.--  SabreBD  (talk) 21:32, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think its long at all. I checked Featured lists and a few like List of castles in Greater Manchester and List of National Treasures of Japan (archaeological materials) have very detialed introductions. I'm going to go forward with the move. The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  01:50, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * ...Or I would, I think this page has a protection level that won't allow me to do so. But there is not reason this article does't qualify as a list. The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  01:53, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

New entry for page
Dong Bang Shin Ki: Kings of Kpop

Babyshinki (talk) 16:09, 3 June 2012 (UTC)


 * TVXQ ? Why not. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:13, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

TVXQ is the true Kings of Korean Pop & Hallyu Wave. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fanboy005 (talk • contribs) 16:43, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

TVXQ : Rising Gods of the East, labelled as Kings of KPOP due to their immense success in Asia & outside. More popular as Gods of KPOP with Fans. Yuriaoi (talk) 15:54, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Katy Perry - a.k.a. Queen of Pop, Teenage Dream, Darling of Pop — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.200.146.239 (talk) 09:22, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Rihanna
Rihanna has been referred to as the Queen of Pop & the New Queen of Pop.
 * http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/64137072.html
 * http://www.stlamerican.com/entertainment/living_it/article_9cf6db58-119d-11e2-ac8c-001a4bcf887a.html
 * http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/rihanna-heads-new-zealand-part-her-world-tour/1790286/
 * http://pulse.com.ng/2013/03/30/bow-down-beyonce-theres-a-new-pop-queen-in-town-and-its-rihanna/
 * http://www.nationnews.com/articles/view/rihanna-queen-of-pop/
 * http://welldoneagency.com/en/news/1219-rihanna-queen-of-pop-3.html
 * http://atlantablackstar.com/2012/06/01/rihanna-is-new-queen-of-popular-culture/
 * http://www.viva.tv/news/18498-rihanna-ist-die-neue-queen-of-pop
 * http://www.hilltopviewsonline.com/viewpoints/article_868cb6d6-3d6b-11e2-ae20-0019bb30f31a.html
 * http://urbanislandz.com/2011/10/07/rihanna-madonna-billboard-chart-record-pop-queen-music/

Rihanna has been referred to as the Barbadian Pop Queen.
 * http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/music/2013/03/19/rihanna_at_the_acc_barbadian_pop_queen_capable_of_so_much_more.html

Rihanna has been referred to as the R&B Queen, Queen of R&B, the New Queen of R&B & the R&B princess.
 * http://www.madametussauds.com/SiteImages/Assets/9/Rihanna_announce.pdf
 * http://www.celebuzz.com/photos/rihanna-wax-figure-unveiled/rihanna-wax-figure-unveiled-8/
 * http://books.google.com.pr/books?id=hRSiuAAACAAJ&dq=rihanna&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3m5YUaLFA4fO9QTv-4DIAg&ved=0CF4Q6AEwCQ
 * http://www.crushable.com/2008/10/02/entertainment/rihanna-passes-beyonces-bday-album-sales/
 * http://randb.about.com/od/industrynews/ss/Fall2010MusicPreview_2.htm
 * http://www.btvision.bt.com/music/rihanna-2/
 * http://www.portraitmagazine.net/archives/rihanna.html
 * http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=87235
 * http://www.wetpaint.com/network/gallery/rihannas-many-tattoos-photos
 * http://www.newspusher.com/EN/post/48764-9999/EN-/r-b-princess-rihanna-shopping-in-paris.html
 * http://globalgrind.com/music/rihannas-ex-boyfriend-claims-riri-doesn%E2%80%99t-have-time-anything-serious-any-guy-video
 * http://phatechee.com/unwrapped/item/404-rihanna-shines-on-newest-track-%E2%80%98diamonds%E2%80%99
 * http://www.mstarz.com/articles/9067/20130301/rihanna-and-chris-brown-party-together-exclusive-p-diddy-bash-video-songstress-says-i-will-have-child-beau-debuts-new-song.htm

Rihanna has been referred to as the Queen of Reinvention.
 * http://www.sofeminine.co.uk/beauty/album849064/celebrity-hairstyles-rihanna-s-hair-history-0.html
 * http://wonderwoman.intoday.in/story/raunchy-rihanna-invents-another-sexy-style!/1/87776.html

Update
Adele has been referred to as the Queen of Soul

http://www.latitudenews.com/story/the-queen-of-soul/

http://nerissairving.com/news/entertainment/adele-the-soul-queen/

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/entertainment/view/1182139/1/.html

Amy Winehouse has also been referred to as the Queen of Soul

http://www.spin.com/articles/amy-winehouse-dangerous-new-queen-soul

http://my.opera.com/Afro%20Mum/blog/2011/07/24/amy-winehouse-queen-of-soul-dies-at-27

Usher has been referred to as the King of Pop

http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/69768055.html

http://www.chron.com/entertainment/music/article/Usher-ready-to-be-crowned-new-King-of-Pop-1639642.php (98.181.62.167 (talk) 20:41, 19 June 2012 (UTC))


 * It seems that all kinds of popular music artists are given honorific names, by single journalists, in single articles, in both the entertainment and general media, on an almost daily basis. Is there any way of filtering or ranking these accolades? Are any publications more reliable, or simply carry more weight, than others? My local free newspaper might call a local pub singer Dez Prezley "King of Pub Rock" - but does that make it generally accepted? Should we use any one honorific name only once, on the basis of length of tenure, or on breadth of coverage, or on what? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:57, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * See criteria for inclusion section above. The nickname must be in regular use (meaning we can verify from multiple sources not just one) by exceptional sources such as qualified music critics or high profile journalists in music magazines, jounrnals, encyclopedias or major news organizations. The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  21:47, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks like we're finally having that discussion invited in September 2009. I think the existing list might need trimming! What is your view, for example, on Andre (band)? And can titles be shared by any number of artists? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:53, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * We do not apply the criteria at the top of this page as strictly as we could and perhaps should, not least because it is such hard work. We do have periodic purges of the weaker claims. There is a problem with nicknames like "princess of pop" which lazy journalists wheel out to describe any female artists who gets a hit record. That doesn't mean that the title is notable, or likely to last. Probably time for another cull.--  SabreBD  (talk) 22:02, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I am still a little perplexed about the relative notability of non-English speaking artists, in non-English speaking countries, in en-wiki. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:09, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * In order to keep a world view, the same criteria applies to non-english speaking countries/artists. Notability does not require the be household names in the US, so long as the artist passes the general notability guidelines for wikipedia. There are several Asian artists people in the US/UK have no clue about but are still international phenoms. As long as it fits the criteria, they have equal weight here. And to answer you other question, artists can share nicknames. Our goal is not to qualify the "most deserving" but relay what nicknames are attributed to who by reliable sources. The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  22:34, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Just to endorse that. We have to rely on the sources and apply the same criteria, whether we agree with the entries cannot be a consideration.--  SabreBD  (talk) 22:54, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no issue with that, in principle. I'm just at a loss to know whether the publication used as the source to support the inclusion of Andre (band), for example, can be considered adequate. I've never been to Romania. I can't speak Romanian. It's used in the article for the band, so does that make it good enough? Martinevans123 (talk) 07:29, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * This is a translation of the site. Even with the translation I'm not sure what the quality of the source is. It's design makes it look like Allmusic but at the same time it also looks like tv.com which we wouldn't consider reliable since users can change information as easily as they could on wikipedia. The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  10:24, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I used that to try and get a better English translation of the title. I tend to agree with you. Maybe we should consider those proposed at the start of this tread - Adele, Amy and Usher. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:17, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * None of the links above meet the criteria. None are from hihgly notable news sources (a few are blogs) and the only specialized music orgaization is Spin, but the article doesn't mention "Queen of Soul" in the text, only the title. For consideration the body of an article must actually use the nickname in prose to give the reader the context behind its usage. The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  17:15, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Jack Johnson
I think that Jack Johnson should have "The Genius" I've seen him called this many times. --Bassieboy666 (talk) 15:34, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reliable source for that description? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:43, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Lil B
Should Lil' B not be added with the honorific nickname "Based God"?

References: npr.org "Lil B, a.k.a. The Based God"

see box in top right of artist page: Lil B, "The Based God"

Thanks for your considerations.

"Country"?
Hong Kong a "Country"? Hahaha.

Refs revision
I have found a moment and revised all the references for artists listed "from A to V". I have put proper templates where a source is in dispute or missing. Hornik (talk) 05:33, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I am very grateful not to have to do this. I also note you have tagged the unreliable cases - which is even better work.--  SabreBD  (talk) 10:30, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, have tried to do my best to review the refs until "V"; I got to go now. Lots of thankless job here, so hope it will be clear what I meant to stress by those templates. If no-one finishes the rest refs, I will catch a moment to get it done possibly tomorrow. Hornik (talk) 15:31, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately adding all those templates means that the references no longer show.--  SabreBD  (talk) 16:31, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I tried removing the flag templates to see it that would allow the notes to display, but it didn't work. I have only one suggestion: that we delete all the dubious references and the entries that depend on them. Does anyone else have an alternative idea?--  SabreBD  (talk) 09:52, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I was wondering why all ref-links got disappeared while reviewing them. I wasn't aware such situation arises when adding a large(r) number of templates. I'd probably suggest to replace them with ref-label notes to keep also ref-links displayed along. So let's say, instead to use, for  to put , etc. Either way, the list must be supervised and some artists, respectively their "titles", removed as their fans include whatever they find (ir)relevant themselves. I didn't want to make the final decision(s) as for this, so I've just decided to check ref-links, using google translator tool when necessary. I also checked "About (company)" section(s) on particular websites if those looked questionably at the first sight, to verify their own end-source(s). In some cases, like Japanese webpages, most of them looked like shopping website(s) actually (as their equivalent to amazon/ebay, etc.), so we never know for sure where a cited information comes from, unless a native speaker shares a clear insight. I should be able to finish reviewing the rest links by tomorrow to get at least this part done. If anything of use springs my mind by then, I will leave a comment. Hornik (talk) 10:53, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * FYI: and  means the same; in other words a source was checked, information found/verified but the(ir) ref-link(s) miss the citation/quotation.


 * UPDATE: To minimize a number of originally used templates, respectively to make all ref-links visible as previously discussed, I have replaced the additional templates that were placed in column 'SOURCE' (next 'COUNTRY') with . Section entitled 'ANNOTATIONS' includes specific explanatory notes for each red letter/used template. Hope that makes it easier now. FYI: One artist (Siti Nurhaliza) was removed from the original list as she only missed any ref-link, actually. At the moment, I only need to finish revising the rest artists, i.e. those listed within section Group titles. Hornik (talk) 21:11, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Its unorthodox, but a workable solution. I will try to find time an enthusiasm to work through the list in the future.--  SabreBD  (talk) 21:41, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Group titles revised. Good luck with the rest then. Hornik (talk) 03:55, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Marilyn Manson issue
Marilyn Manson is widely referred to as Please help me find some suitable references so this can be added. 205.156.136.229 (talk) 20:35, 10 September 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd recommend you first of all to find one, and attach it along with a proper referrence here to see how the other media has handled your concerns, claimed as "widely referred". The problem solved, guess. Good luck ,-) Hornik (talk) 22:31, 10 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Perhaps even more widely referred to as "The God of F..k-all"? 109.153.196.85 (talk) 07:15, 11 September 2012 (UTC)


 * You better bring some relevant to the table, instead empty chatting. Hornik (talk) 14:23, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Madonna
I think as madonna is the biggest selling female artist 300 million albums, has the highest grossing tours of all time, most number 1 albums, highest paid female artist, most number ones at one time, the artist with the most world records, The World's Most Successful Female Musician. For these resons Madonna should be the only queen of pop just like michael jackson is the only king of pop.

Mariah?
Supreme Songbird? She was named that by the Guiness World Record. Why isn't that added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Penpaperpencil (talk • contribs) 15:35, 15 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Also Taylor Swift has been deemed the "Princess of Country" numerous times. Shouldn't it be added? Penpaperpencil (Talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:42, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Lady Gaga
I think you should add her nickname of "Mother Monster", since most artists have an affectionate nickname of their own added to their category, like Madonna with "Material Girl"

--CortexiphanJedi (talk) 23:36, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing this out; I've removed the improper Material Girl entry. Floatjon (talk) 09:04, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

John Entwisle?
What about him one of his 3 titles must get him in here! The Ox, Thunderfinger, bassist of the millenium, source: http://thewho.com/history/john-entwistle/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maplerocker (talk • contribs) 19:21, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Hey come on can we please get Mr. Entwistle on the the list? I mean seriously there are Teen Queens and the Queen of Christian Pop but not the bassist of the millenium? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maplerocker (talk • contribs) 12:07, 2 December 2012 (UTC)


 * ✅ Have started with "Bassist of the Millenium", although a better source might be used, or even the original primary source = Guitar Magazine? Not sure if "Ox" is actually an honorific title or just a nickname? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:36, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Finally thanks! ^^ well here's a pic of the magazine page http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j32/mcr4444/bass2kp1.jpg that's the best source I could find right now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.190.241.119 (talk) 15:00, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Can't be used as a source, I'm sorry, as no WP:RS publisher attribution is possible. In fact, someone (more clever than I) might even have constructed that whole image from scratch! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:52, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

ok, it was just a suggestion--Maplerocker (talk) 22:45, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Do you have any details of that Guitar Magazine edition? That would be the best source, I think. Martinevans123 (talk)

Frankie Knuckles
I was surprised to see that Frankie Knuckles wasn't included, given so many references to him as The Godfather Of House. (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/clubz/4644416/Godfather-Of-House.html http://www.mytravelguide.com/attractions/profile-101676394-United_States_Illinois_Chicago_Godfather_of_House_Music_Frankie_Knuckles_Way_Street_Sign.html etc)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:42, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

QUEEN KATY PERRY
She should be called Princess of Pop Gbegg (talk) 09:49, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure. The headline in that claims she is "a pop princess", not that she is "" (..also beware, that link has quite a nasty pop-up!) Martinevans123 (talk) 12:27, 6 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, I hope it does. There's an article from the : " 'Wide Awake' Video: Pop Princess Punches Prince Charming". Another is ryanseacrest.com, who referred her as the "reigning pop princess". GirlsAlouud (talk &middot; &#32;contribs} 03:04, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Katy Perry should obviously be on the list - it's shocking how she isn't yet, as we always hear of all the records she's broken and the fact that she is compared to and, who are in fact 'Pop Princesses' in their own right. She is often seen by the public as the female, having tied him with the most number-one singles from one album (5), along with her reigning status in the charts, surpassing , and even the Beatles. She is a cultural icon, a sex icon (her article even said it once) and her music is a good representation of what you would expect from the modern generation of musicians. Here are some sources that prove this:

In people's opinions, she may never be as 'good' or 'talented' as as majority would argue, but numbers don't lie, and she technically achieved what many would see as one only a music legend would be able to handle. Go Katy :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.200.146.239 (talk) 08:46, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh yeah and if she's not 'good' enough for Queen of Pop, she is also called the 'Teenage Dream' and 'KatyCat'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.200.146.239 (talk) 09:24, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm not in favor of Katy Perry being added for the title "Pop Princess". The title of the article states clearly "honorific nicknames". One could, and I would, argue that the "pop" and "princess", especially in this context, hardly qualify as honorific. Yes, she's sold albums and become quite notable in her own right. I am not for a second discounting this. But Pop music, and the inclusion of Pop in one's "nickname", is hardly an honor. Princess even less so. Many American artists in particular are called "princesses" more because of their "precious" attitudes than for the quality of their craft. Mariah Carey, for example, does a good job of personifying the "princess" meaning in pop culture. In calling her a "pop princess" they could mean anything ranging from respect, to a simple buzztag to state that she's a female in the pop genre, to it being downright insulting, depending on the context with which it was taken. as for her other nicknames, Teenage Dream, she gave herself these nicknames, and thus they do not qualify. Smokachu (talk) 10:37, 27 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.67.187.199 (talk)

Katy has FAR from earned any title. Britney's The Official Princess of Pop and Madonna is the Official Queen. She doesn't even come close to their careers. This is a joke. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.60.200.48 (talk) 03:46, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

princess katy perry?, hahaha she never could, only ARTISTS classifies them getting their alias with no efforts to PLAYBACK! ... if you were talking about Amy Winehouse, Madonna, Queen, Janet Jackson, Lady GaGa, Michael Jackson, Adele, The Beatles, etc ... YOU THINK!

Kelly.C
Kelly Clarkson: Miss Independent — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.96.54.199 (talk) 04:24, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, she certainly plays the title role in her song video Miss Independent. But is that enough evidence that she is commonly (or ever) referred to by this name? Do you have any direct source? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:00, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Aaron Carter
Honorific in tween magazines through late 1990s and early 2000s (Popstar!, M-Magazine, Tiger Beat, etc.) and title of official biography, "Little Prince of Pop."

This page is cluttered
There are multiple artists listed under each honorific title which I think is ridiculous just becasue an artist had been called something once or twice doesn't make them "king of Pop" or "Queen of Pop" we need to scale this down to whoever is more deserving of the title based on accomplishments, number of times being called this title and their contributions to music etc, there's just too much going on here. Anyone can be given a title at any given time but did the title stick for most of the people on this list? the answer is NO, we shouldn't be grouping people together who are not in the same category as far as accomplishments, sales, influence etc.--Colette89 (talk) 16:41, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Your idea break all three main Wikipedia rules: Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. If there are reliable sources, the text may be in Wikipedia and also not the editors of Wikipedia should decide who more deserving to be called a (eg) pop king and also Wikipedia is not the place for scale, analysis of accomplishments etc. Subtropical-man (talk) 18:33, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Please note the criteria for inclusion at the top of this page. It is perfectly valid to have criteria that limit inclusion.--  SabreBD  (talk) 18:39, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Paulina Rubio
Paulina Rubio is nearly constantly known in Latin American and Spanish speaking countries as La Chica Dorada (The Golden Girl). Please add - can be verified anywhere on line.
 * Why not provide a source - from anywhere reliable on line? Although not sure how far we are limited to English honorific names, as opposed to English translations of other language honorific names. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:53, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Rosa López
Rosa López, from Spain, should be included due to her honorific title "La rosa de España" (Spain's Rose). Can be verified anywhere on line. Thanks
 * Why not provide a source - from anywhere reliable on line? Although not sure how far we are limited to English honorific names as opposed to English translations of other language honorific names. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:53, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

"Random Country Legendary Popstar" or "Some Foreign Country Superstar" as honorifics?
I noticed recently that there is a horde of entries of popstars dubbed the Madonna of Some Foreign Country or Random Country Madonna and weeks later nothing is done with them, in contrast to my edits that got removed years ago because they are not considered honorifics, which my opinion was "fair enough". The reason I say against those entries is that there are plenty of young singers who gets hyped up with these so-called honorifics earlier in their career (like Cliff Richard as the "British Elvis" in his early career) only for it to fade away when most of them fail to achieve that status of their peer.

If we were to include those, I may as well say reinstate my edit that was removed years ago, including Sandra, who is known as the "German Madonna" in her home country.

So the question is shall we accept these entries. Donnie Park (talk) 23:04, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
 * No. They do not meet the criteria at the top of the talkpage.--  SabreBD  (talk) 23:08, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Trouble is there is plenty of it and nobody is doing anything about it, ie Rihanna, the Black Madonna. Donnie Park (talk) 23:17, 19 March 2013 (UTC)


 * They are clearly "alias" [Madonna's] used in various parts of the world (with reliable sources and varios languages). What is the misunderstanding of this? We are depriving readers to learn something that has reliable references that meets various political as verifiability. And more; One has to analyze each case separately. Regards, Chrishonduras (talk) 02:04, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

There's a pretty clear distinction in meaning between calling someone the Queen or Princess of something vs. comparing her to an established pop star. Having preeminence in a genre of music is clearly not the same as "the X version of Madonna" which sounds like a knock-off version. This article isn't about promoting musicians or indiscriminately aggregating info that doesn't fit in the established parameters. Tehw1k1 (talk) 12:17, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

T.I.
T.I. should be added, he's often considered the King of the South. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.129.127.242 (talk) 21:49, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 * His article suggests it's a self-designation - and the cover story from The Vibe in 2004, used as a ref there, no longer seems to work. But Pharrell Williams of The Neptunes did call him "the Jay-Z of the South", apparently. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:43, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Michael Jackson
Michael Jackson should be called King of music videos. source:http://corp.visiblemeasures.com/news-and-events/blog/bid/88819/Michael-Jackson-s-Top-10-Most-Watched-Music-Videos-Ever It's even mentioned in the michael jackson page on wiki. And it would be nice if he's given few more titles like king of dance,entertainment etc. b'coz he's with 1 title whereas likes of madonna are with more than 1 title.and now he's got to share the king of pop title with elton john and elvis presely.Moreover, Michael is recognized as the most successful entertainer of all time by Guinness World Records,so according to me there should be only 1 king of pop i.e. mj,as it was there some days ago.Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lifehp9897 (talk • contribs) 07:21, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * This is not evidence of common use of a title, which is what this article is meant to be about.--  SabreBD  (talk) 07:42, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

but what about king of music videos? it's even mentioned in the mj page in wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lifehp9897 (talk • contribs) 07:52, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia articles can't be used as a source for anything as they are not considered to be WP:RS. The single source you have provided here looks a bit borderline. But I'd be surprised if you could not find a better one. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:58, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Add Selena Gomez as "The New J-Lo"
Add Selena Gomez as "The New J-LO

204.116.145.130 (talk) 00:18, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 15:03, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


 * ❌ The primary source is her producer Jason Evigan, and some media mention this, yes, but as a way in question, and that is inconsistent. Do not confuse one thing with another. It is not the same with the "Madonnas" for example, that is clearly alias worlwide:

Yuri is a Mexican singer, but the English, Portuguese or French press have referred to as the "Mexican Madonna". In fact, Allmusic is a source specialized in popular culture and is a music guide service, and mention this datum. Gloria Trevi is other example, she is have referred by international media as BBC News and several others as "Mexican Madonna" and is "Some Foreign Country Superstar" but no is "Some Foreign Country Superstar" ;).... It is widely demonstrable that the "Madonnas" are not terms peacock, in fact, some have revealed wanting to be like Madonna, as in the case of Rihanna who said his goal is to be the "black Madonna" and has been treated well by the press in English, Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italian, German, etc. Additionally, worth noting that "Madonnas" are widely used in popular culture, many of these artists are known as the "successor", "heirs" or "musical daughters" of Madonna and this is exactly contrary with artists like Michael Jackson (by not mentioned to J-LO) for example. Regards, Chrishonduras (talk) 02:17, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Justin Timberlake, Usher, Robbie Willams, Elton John, Elvis Presley can not be called as King Of Pop
Justin Timberlake, Usher, Robbie Willams, Elton John, Elvis Presley can not be called as King Of Pop The only person who is named in this way globally is Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson also is recognized as King Of Music Videos or Kink Of Short-Films and would have to be mentioned as the King Of Reinvention — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.53.23.179 (talk) 18:15, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


 * ❌ What is the problem? are reliable sources. It is almost certain that MJ is more widely recognized that so the other artists (maybe, because Elton John have references in Spanish or English...), but we must not delete the rest. That would be totally inappropriate. Chrishonduras (talk) 02:17, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Damn it, this list is so stupid - Elvis Presley is the only King of Rock and Roll, Michael Jackson is the only King of Pop and Madonna is the Queen of Pop. What's your problem with that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.18.254.11 (talk) 14:37, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Where are your sources with the word "only"? They might be partly contradictory, of course but, if reliable, they could still be used, just like any other. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:44, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I have to say, I agree with the OP. Michael Jackson is the "King of Pop", Madonna is the "Queen of Pop" and Elvis is the "King of Rock." It's been that way for the past 20 years, and no random Billboard articles are gonna change that. When it comes to the likes of Justin Timberlake and Usher... "Kings of Pop?" Billboard calling those guys "King of Pop"... that's just a case of some idiot journalist bragging their way to a Billboard account, and poor copy-editing on behalf of editors. People need to stop talking about Billboard like they're the Holy Grail. Their editorial people are just a bunch of people... like everyone else. Homeostasis07 (talk) 00:50, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Elton John and Elvis Presley were Kings of Pop before Michael Jackson was even born. Jackson himself, were he alive today, would be the first to tell you he's nothing without their influences, and would gladly share his "title" with either of them. If you look at the tangibles, album sales and dollars in revenue, sure Michael Jackson outsold them. But if you look at the adjusted numbers based on the population of the planet at the time, accessibility to music, radio play, and inflation you'll find those numbers don't favor Jackson by nearly as much. When you further compensate for the manner in which music is presented, in Jackson's day it was pushed down your throat with several outlets while in Elton's heyday it was release an album, tour, release another one... Anyway I digress. The point remains if you compare the accomplishments, and what they did for the musical industry on the whole, Elton and Elvis paved the way for music's future far more than Michael ever did. But somehow Jackson deserves to be the only holder of the nickname? I have issues with that. Smokachu (talk) 00:50, 27 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.67.187.199 (talk)

Edit request on 24 April 2013
Hi! I really think you should add Cheb Mami to the list, as "The prince of Raï" - check his page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheb_Mami under "international recognition", and you can see, that it is in fact his nickname.

62.107.110.236 (talk) 22:15, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, the source given at that article does not seem to support that claim. Do you have a better source? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:31, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Alanis Morissette "Queen of Alt-rock"
"Alanis Morissette pulled off one of the most successful second acts in rock history in the summer of 1995, when the former teen dance-pop star reinvented herself as the undisputed queen of alt-rock angst with Jagged Little Pill "

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/artists/alanis-morissette/biography

"Alanis Morissette was a former teen pop star, dismissed by some as a footnote in Canadian pop history. Then her album Jagged Little Pill sold over 13 million copies worldwide, and a new queen of alternative rock was crowned."

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/381584.Alanis_Morissette

Can some of you add Alanis morissette as "queen of alt-rock"?

--200.8.77.82 (talk) 05:22, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 6 June 2013
The Taiwanese singer Teresa Teng should be added to the list of honorific nicknames. Ms. Teng was known in Japan as the "Diva of Asia" (Ajia no utahime). The recording from a Japanese TV program at the beginning of the following YouTube video uses the term: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vKDscF3x2E.

216.145.193.35 (talk) 16:12, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.
 * According to the criteria at the top of this page,
 * A clear, reliable and verifiable source must be provided that indicates widespread usage (e.g. "Elvis Presley, widely known as the King of Rock and Roll...". This means that it must be an actual title and cannot be a general reference or figure of speech. Appropriate sources include major authorities on popular music (including All music, Rolling Stone and NME, refereed books and journals, reputable national newspapers and appropriate specialist music publications.
 * I don't think one mention on a youtube video of a TV show is enough to support this at this point, but if you can provide suitable source(s), please feel free to reactivate this request, with the details. Thanks. Begoon &thinsp; talk  06:41, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 11 June 2013
Please move "Girls' Generation" to the "groups" section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.36.245.50 (talk • contribs)


 * Yes check.svg Done - Thank you. Begoon &thinsp; talk  06:41, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 June 2013
There are certainly errors in this page that I would like to fix

88.203.121.232 (talk) 11:52, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
 * There are several ways to do that:
 * If you create an account, usually after 10 edits and 4 days, you will become WP:AUTOCONFIRMED, and can edit the page yourself.
 * To use the tag, as you have done here, you need to provide the exact details of the proposed edit, and supply reliable sources to support the change(s). Another editor can then make the changes for you, if the details are ok.
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 * Feel free to supply details and source(s) and reactivate this request if you have specific change(s) to propose.
 * Thanks. Begoon &thinsp; talk  12:11, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 June 2013
Just would like to See Freddie Mercury's name on the list He was Known as the Great Pretender, Thank you

98.124.43.35 (talk) 01:11, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.
 * According to the criteria at the top of this page,
 * A clear, reliable and verifiable source must be provided that indicates widespread usage (e.g. "Elvis Presley, widely known as the King of Rock and Roll...". This means that it must be an actual title and cannot be a general reference or figure of speech. Appropriate sources include major authorities on popular music (including All music, Rolling Stone and NME, refereed books and journals, reputable national newspapers and appropriate specialist music publications.


 * I'm a huge fan of Mercury, too, and it does sound like this might be a valid addition, if supported, but we really do need the supporting sources in order to add it. Thanks. Begoon &thinsp; talk  02:39, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 September 2013
Chuck Berry is considered the father of rock and roll, while Elvis Presley is the king of rock and roll. In the page it stated that both were the king, which is very untrue. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/chuck-berry-the-father-of-rock-turns-75-20011206 - An article by rolling stone magazine stating the fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.203.170.125 (talk) 03:15, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Amália Rodrigues, Belinda, Haifa Wehbe
Amália Rodrigues, Portugal, A Rainha do Fado (The Queen of Fado).

Belinda, Mexico, Princess of Latin Pop.

Haifa Wehbe, Lebanon, Queen of Arabic Pop.

--187.114.76.175 (talk) 23:57, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Johnny Cash
What about the "The man in Black", "The king of outlaw country music", "The original Highway Man" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doublejwillis (talk • contribs) 20:49, 12 August 2013 (UTC)