Talk:Honorificabilitudinitatibus

Thanks
Thanks a lot. I had to abruptly cut off, having pressing business to attend to. - Arthur George Carrick 02:09, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Nice entry on this word, missing one thing ... what does it mean? - David Gerard 10:32, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)

and how do you pronounce it

Incorrect use of "hapax legomenon"
"Only appearing once in Shakespeare's works, it is a hapax legomenon." According to the Wikipedia entry for hapax legomenon, this usage is in fact incorrect. Is it acceptable to use it in this looser sense?


 * According to the hapax legomenon as of 2007-01-15, the use would in fact be appropriate, being a word that occurs once and only once in the works of an author. All works currently attributed to to Shakespeare being the corpus, "Honorificabilitudinitatibus" does indeed occur only once.  Thus, it would be sufficient to fit the criteron established for a hapax legomenon of Shakespeare.  (Of course, not more diversely as in the corpus of all modern English work, or even Latin.) --Puellanivis 00:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Where does the word appear?
Where in Love's Labour's Lost do we find honorificabilitudinitatibus? Can anyone give a quote?--Siva 21:44, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Right here...
"Shakespeare’s wondrous creation appears in Act 5, Scene 1: I marvel thy master hath not eaten thee for a word; for thou art not so long by the head as honorificabilitudinitatibus: thou art easier swallowed than a flap-dragon."

It means 'with honour'.

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Sorry for the unorthodox method of interjection, but I am otherwise incapable. could somebody include the number of letters (27) in the last line of the main section? I am unable to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.201.164.233 (talk) 23:10, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Other anagrams for honorificabilitudinitatibus
According to Doctor Crypton, there were several other anagrams for "honorificabilitudinitatibus" that credit bacon. They include "Abi. Invit F. Bacon. Histrio Ludit" ("Begone. F. bacon has entered. The actor is playing."), "Fair Vision, Bacon built it, hid it." and "But thus I told Franiiiiii Bacon" (The six "i"'s are presumably Roman numerals for 6, thus making "Fran-Six"). Also, isn't "honorificabilitudinitatibus" an anagram for the Italian phrase for "Wherever an italian is, there honor is paid to Dante."? Orville Eastland (talk) 02:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

hoolly moly —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.103.181.145 (talk) 14:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk PURPLESEMEN (talk) 05:55, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Use it in a sentence
Could someone use this word correctly in a sentence? I've looked around and the only place it's ever used is in the Shakespeare excerpt. I would love to see an example sentence in the text of the article as well if we can agree on one. Broooooooce (talk) 05:44, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

The word appears falsely "translated", a short analysis
I think "the state of being able to achieve honours" should be just honoricaficability, analyzed as:
 * honours - should be clear
 * honorify - the act of giving honours
 * honorificable - able to be honorified
 * honorificability - "ability", that is, the state of being able, to receive honours.

The rest of the morphemes in the word:
 * Honorificabilitude - not so self-evident anymore (to me at least)
 * compare: alto, high -> altitude, height; similar -> similitude, "similarness"
 * this would make honorificable -> honorificabilitude, "honorificableness", that is, the property of being in the state of being able to receive honours
 * Honorificabilitudine - this is something I'm not very familiar with
 * There is, or course, a plethora of worlds ending with -ine: canis, dog -> canine; feles, cat -> feline; mundus, world -> mundane, material; masculus, male -> masculine; and so on.
 * this would imply (by my limited empirical induction) that honorificabilitude -> honorificabilitudine, either (adj.) being able to receive honours, or (noun) something or someone in the state of being able to receive honours
 * obviously my examples used this morpheme to turn an unfamiliar feeling Latin word into a more comfortable English one. Hence, Shakespeare's use of this morpheme can, in my humble opinion, be regarded as a brutal mistake showing his lack of professionality in the use of the English language (:
 * Honorificabilitudinitate - starts to feel slightly contrived, even to me
 * compare: facile, easy -> facilitate, "make easy"; nihil, nothing -> annihilate, "turn something into nothingness"
 * thus, honorificabilitudine -> honorificabilitudinitate, turning things into something in the state of being able to receive honours, or shorter: enable receiving honours
 * Honorificabilitudinitatibus - useless ):
 * can't think of many words ending with -bus /:
 * omnibus, "for all"
 * Antabus, Pluribus
 * has something to do with Latin adjective conjugation. Honorificabilitudinitate, however, is a verb.
 * context gives no hint; Shakespeare obviously just wants to put a long word on display, nothing more

So, who am I to criticize Shakespeare's use of English? Well, nobody really, but on adding morphemes to words I might be better (:  My native language being Finnish, I read words like Chomsky's constitutionalization without even thinking twice what it means. --Sigmundur (talk) 14:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Aww, scrap that, the translation was not from English, but from Latin. Ok, not going to wise-ass around on that area :) --Sigmundur (talk) 14:54, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Sentence?
Can we get a possible sentence with the word? -- Iliada 16:41, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Here it is in James Joyce' Ulysses: "Like John o'Gaunt his name is dear to him, as dear as the coat and crest he toadied for, on a bend sable a spear or steeled argent, honorificabilitudinitatibus, dearer than his glory of greatest shakescene in the country."Smatprt (talk) 07:50, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

The Latin Construction
The following shows the augmentation of Latin endings to the Latin root word to result in the word of interest.
 * 1) Honos, honoris (N): Honor


 * 1) Honorifico, honorificare, honorificavi, honorificatum (V): Honorify, do honor to, to confer honor. The added -ficare ending is derived from facio, facere, feci, factum - to make or do.


 * 1) Honorificabilis (ADJ): Honorificable, able/worthy to be honorified/receive honor. The added -abilis ending creates the adjective of having the ability or worthiness of the stem word. In this case, the stem is the fourth principle part of the verb in 2., honorificatum, the perfect passive participle which translates to "honorified, having been done honor to."


 * 1) Honorificabilitudo, honorificabilitudinis (N): The quality of being able/worthy to be honorified/done honor to. The added -tudo, tudinis ending denotes a quality or condition. In English, this is the -tude ending, as in "plenitude."


 * 1) Honorificabilitudinitas, honorificabilitudinitatis (N): The quality of the quality of being able/worthy to be honorified. The -tas, tatis suffix also denotes a quality. In English this is the -ty ending, as in "sanity."

Since it is a 3rd declension noun, the ablative plural form of the noun honorificabilitudinitas in 5. is honorificabilitudinitatibus.

The use of the ablative case here is the ablative of manner, so honorificabilitudinitatibus literally translates to "with the quality of the quality of being able/worthy to be honorified."

Note: Latin nouns are shown with their nominative and genitive singular forms; suffixes are typically added to the stem of the genitive in Latin. Verbs are shown with the four principle parts.

--ShyamBhakta (talk) 10:14, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Longest Word in English?
According to the Wikipedia Article Longest English words, Honorificabilitudinitatibus is the longest Shakespearean word, and is the longest word in English featuring alternating vowels and consonants. It is not the longest word in English, unlike what the article suggests. Pianone (talk) 14:19, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

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German article
Herrad Spilling: Schreibkünste des späten Mittelalters. In: Codices manuscripti 4 (1978) 97-119, esp. 107 --2001:16B8:1319:F00:4CDF:6D5E:A90F:A8DD (talk) 19:57, 12 September 2018 (UTC)