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The media
The media section of this article has a tag saying that it strays off topic. I tried to connect the dots by adding a single paragraph, four sentences, showing how the media - specifically pornography - and hookup culture relate. The Grump reverted, citing WP:COATRACK, which I admit is new to me, but I think the real nature of his objection is that I added it. Having now reviewed that essay, which is not even a policy, I believe that adding a single paragraph showing the connection between pornography and hookup culture is a case of What is Not a Coatrack, to wit: "It would be reasonable to include brief information of the background behind a key detail, even if the background has no relevance to the article's topic, as long as such information is used sparingly and does not provide any more explanation than a reasonably knowledgeable reader would require." At the very least, if a respected academic is arguing that pornography has "spurred" this culture, and plenty of other WP:RS talk about it playing a role, then surely a paragraph on the topic is not too much to include. With that in mind, I offer the following:


 * As the cost of personal computers dropped and online access has increased, internet pornography has "emerged as a primary influence on young people’s, especially men’s, attitudes towards sex and their own sexuality." Some have argued that the increase of access to pornography via the internet is what "spurred" hookup culture, in part by challenging the idea that "good sex" takes place in a monogamous relationship.   Pornography is "a cultural force that is shaping the sexual attitudes of an entire generation" and a "major form of sex ed today for boys."   The "ubiquitous of pornography" has changed "their expectations for their partners, and their understanding of desire, gender identity, and how one enters into various types of sexual intimacy."

Does anyone have any constructive thoughts on how to improve this paragraph? --Illuminato (talk) 02:24, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The notion that "pornography is a cultural force that is shaping an entire generation" is a statement of opinion. The quotes from Freitas are also her opinion and should not be stated as fact, but attributed to her directly (as all quotes must). "some have argued" is a weasel phrase and should also be attributed. And then of course we also need to have the opposite viewpoint represented. You don't seem capable at writing neutrally at all. If you are trying that is. User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 19:51, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Regnerus' book doesn't seem to cover "Hookup culture" anywhere in it so I don't see how content can be added based on it. Can you provide complete refs for Heldman and Frietas?  I need to see the source in context to determine if the content is supported.   20:00, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Tags
Can we remove the NPOV check and OR tags now? This article has undergone a lot of work since Jaytwist declared that he completed making it NPOV. If someone objects, please identify where you think the problem lies so that that section might be fixed. --Illuminato (talk) 01:26, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


 * As long as this article persists in citing articles on the behaviour of US college students, and extrapolating upon them to make assertions about some imaginary general 'hookup culture', the NPOV and OR tags are necessary. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:31, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The lead to the article says that hookup culture "is generally associated with Western late adolescent behavior and, in particular, American college culture." Where in the article is there information that applies to American college students and implies that it applies to other demographics?  Let's fix them.  Also, why do you refer to it as an "imaginary" hookup culture?  --Illuminato (talk) 01:50, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I have explained why the tags are necessary. If you persist in editing this article against the clear consensus established both here and during the recent AfD discussion, you can expect action to be taken against you. Wikipedia is not a soapbox for your moral crusade. Find another platform... AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:07, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I honestly don't know to what you are referring to here. Will you please assume a little good faith and explain it to me again?  Where does the article extrapolate on studies conducted on US college students and imply that it includes students in other countries, or other Americans not of college age?   I am honestly trying to understand your rational, and all you are doing is responding with threats.  Please, help me understand the nature of your objection.  Give me an example.  I truly want to know.  --Illuminato (talk) 02:29, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I am sorry but it is quite late at this stage to request good faith, I fully understand Andy's comment. It is at this point entirely reasonable to believe that your principal goal here to push a moral/political/religious agenda, and he is right that that is not compatible with wikipedias goals. You have clearly not taken notice of the dozen of editors who have pointed out that your edits are not compatible with the POV policy, and you have continued to push the same agenda over several articles, even creating new POV forks.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 19:43, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with Andy, EBY, and Maunus. Illuminato, you've burned through the good faith reserves of several editors who tried to work with you.  At this point, it feels like damage control, as you've had the relevant policies and guidelines explained to you numerous times to no effect.  Your most recent effort to insert more POV prose and remove the POV template is perplexing but not entirely unexpected.  Consensus is, and always has been, that your prose is entirely one-sided and highly biased.  Instead of fighting a one-man crusade against this consensus, you should be trying to learn how to follow the relevant policies and work with your fellow editors to achieve consensus. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 20:31, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It is awfully difficult for me to try and reach consensus when I ask a question and it goes unanswered. How many times have I asked The Grump for help, and had him simply ignore the question?  In this situation I proposed some text, no one offered any suggestions or commentary (the one question by The Grump which I still don't understand notwithstanding), and then after two weeks I assumed everyone was OK with it so I put it in.  The Grump reverted within minutes, and only then did Maunus offer any suggestions.  Can you please tell me what I did wrong in this situation?  I really am trying to work with people here, but it seems I just can't win.  --Illuminato (talk)

History section
In an effort to add some non-controversial material to the article, I propose renaming the "Rise" section to "History," and adding this short account.


 * ==History==
 * The rise of hookups, a form of casual sex, was a "cultural revolution" that had its start in the 1920s.  Technological advancements such as the automobile and movie theaters brought young couples out of their parents homes, and out from their watchful eyes, giving them more freedom and more opportunity for sexual activity.  During that time more people began having sex outside of marriage, though it was usually with their future spouse.
 * With the loosening sexual mores that came with sexual revolution in the 1960s, sex became uncoupled from relationships and non-marital sex became more socially acceptable, including with people the participants had no intention of marrying.  Dating, while it has not disappeared, has decreased as hookups have become more common.   By the mid-1990s, hookups were an acceptable form of relating among sexually active adults, especially on college campuses.
 * This is, according to a review published by the American Psychological Association, "an unprecedented time in the history of human sexuality." People are marrying and beginning families at ages later than previous generations, while they are becoming sexually mature earlier. As a result, young adults are physiologically able to reproduce but not psychologically or socially ready to 'settle down' and begin a family.
 * These developmental shifts, research suggests, is one of the factors driving the increase in hookups, a "popular cultural change that has infiltrated the lives of emerging adults throughout the Western world." Hookups are becoming increasingly normative among young adults and adolescents in North America and have taken root throughout the Western world, which represents a notable shift in how casual sex is perceived and accepted.
 * "The past decade has witnessed an explosion in interest in the topic of hookups, both scientifically and in the popular media. Research on hookups is not seated within a singular disciplinary sphere; it sits at the crossroads of theoretical and empirical ideas drawn from a diverse range of fields, including psychology, anthropology, sociology, biology, medicine, and public health." Difficulties in defining the term can lead to different perceptions of its prevalence.
 * These developmental shifts, research suggests, is one of the factors driving the increase in hookups, a "popular cultural change that has infiltrated the lives of emerging adults throughout the Western world." Hookups are becoming increasingly normative among young adults and adolescents in North America and have taken root throughout the Western world, which represents a notable shift in how casual sex is perceived and accepted.
 * "The past decade has witnessed an explosion in interest in the topic of hookups, both scientifically and in the popular media. Research on hookups is not seated within a singular disciplinary sphere; it sits at the crossroads of theoretical and empirical ideas drawn from a diverse range of fields, including psychology, anthropology, sociology, biology, medicine, and public health." Difficulties in defining the term can lead to different perceptions of its prevalence.
 * "The past decade has witnessed an explosion in interest in the topic of hookups, both scientifically and in the popular media. Research on hookups is not seated within a singular disciplinary sphere; it sits at the crossroads of theoretical and empirical ideas drawn from a diverse range of fields, including psychology, anthropology, sociology, biology, medicine, and public health." Difficulties in defining the term can lead to different perceptions of its prevalence.
 * "The past decade has witnessed an explosion in interest in the topic of hookups, both scientifically and in the popular media. Research on hookups is not seated within a singular disciplinary sphere; it sits at the crossroads of theoretical and empirical ideas drawn from a diverse range of fields, including psychology, anthropology, sociology, biology, medicine, and public health." Difficulties in defining the term can lead to different perceptions of its prevalence.

Any thoughts? --Illuminato (talk) 19:07, 26 August 2013 (UTC)


 * History of where exactly? AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:11, 26 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry I don't understand your question. --Illuminato (talk) 19:35, 26 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Illuminato - I will put this on your talk page as well: you appear to be gaming the system to push your agenda about sexual behavior. Several editors, for the sake of neutrality, have attempted to respond to your edits constructively but at this point it has clearly become a case of patrolling them and appealing to other avenues of relief. The preferred option in this situation would be for you to take a self-imposed wikibreak. EBY (talk) 23:46, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

After two weeks, with no objections, I tried putting this section in. The Grump did ask a question, but I didn't understand it, and asked for clarification. He never responded. Will you please tell me now, Grumpy, what it is exactly that you object to about this prose, aside from the fact that I wrote it? Let's try to fix whatever problems you may have with it, instead of edit warring. Many thanks to you. --Illuminato (talk) 02:09, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


 * "No objections". Utter bollocks, per usual. I will sleep on it, but unless I have a change of heart, I shall be raising your tendentious behaviour at WP:ANI tomorrow, and asking that you be topic-banned from all articles relating to human sexual behaviour. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:17, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Where did you object to it Andy? You added four words to the discussion, which I honestly didn't understand, and which you didn't clarify when I asked.  I thought you were asking a question, not raising an objection.  --Illuminato (talk) 02:36, 10 September 2013 (UTC)  PS - Once again, I have asked for your help to try and understand your thought process, and once again you have responded ad hominem.  I suppose it is better than when I ask for your help and you just ignore me all together, though.  --Illuminato (talk) 02:38, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The suggested section has the same problems as all of the other stuff you write. It represents particular opinions as fact. The only time you attribute something you misattribute the view to APA who publishes the journal and who are not necessarily vouching for the truth value of the review by publishing it, instead of attributing it to the actual author of the review as it of course should. None of the rest is attributed but represents one interpretation as fact. User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 02:25, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


 * That is helpful, Maunus. Thank you.  I wish you had jumped in before this point, but now that you are here do you think we can work together to improve the prose?  With the inline citations I didn't think it necessary to attribute every sentence to the particular author, but if that's what you would like to see then I would be happy to come up with another draft for your review.  Or perhaps you could, if you prefer.--Illuminato (talk) 02:36, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Attribution is necessary when ever a statement is clearly a matter of opinion rather than a well established or obvious fact. (for example saying that "young adults are not psychologically ready to settle down and begin a family" is opinion, because in fact they do, and many get away with it fine) Also you need to attribute directly every time that you use a quotation, which you do a lot.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 03:19, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

I read the relevant policies to say that a footnote is sufficient, but if that's what you are looking for then I'm happy to work with you.


 * ==History==
 * The rise of hookups, a form of casual sex, has been described by evolutionary biologist Justin Garcia and others as a "cultural revolution" that had its start in the 1920s.  Technological advancements such as the automobile and movie theaters brought young couples out of their parents homes, and out from their watchful eyes, giving them more freedom and more opportunity for sexual activity.  Sociologist Mark Regnerus agrees, saying that during that time more people began having sex outside of marriage, though it was usually with their future spouse.
 * With the loosening sexual mores that came with sexual revolution in the 1960s, sex became uncoupled from relationships and non-marital sex became more socially acceptable, including, Regnerus adds, with people the participants had no intention of marrying.  Multiple scholars, including Garcia, Regnerus, and Freitas, have found that dating, while it has not disappeared, has decreased as hookups have become more common.    By the mid-1990s, Freitas has found, hookups were an acceptable form of relating among sexually active adults, especially on college campuses.
 * This is, according to a review by Garcia, "an unprecedented time in the history of human sexuality." People are marrying and beginning families at ages later than previous generations, while they are becoming sexually mature earlier. As a result, Garcia and others argue, young adults are physiologically able to reproduce but not psychologically or socially ready to 'settle down' and begin a family.
 * These developmental shifts, Garcia's systematic review of the literature suggests, is one of the factors driving the increase in hookups, a "popular cultural change that has infiltrated the lives of emerging adults throughout the Western world." The review shows that hookups are becoming increasingly normative among young adults and adolescents in North America and have taken root throughout the Western world, which represents a notable shift in how casual sex is perceived and accepted.
 * Garcia and others have noted that the "past decade has witnessed an explosion in interest in the topic of hookups, both scientifically and in the popular media. Research on hookups is not seated within a singular disciplinary sphere; it sits at the crossroads of theoretical and empirical ideas drawn from a diverse range of fields, including psychology, anthropology, sociology, biology, medicine, and public health." Difficulties in defining the term can lead to different perceptions of its prevalence.
 * These developmental shifts, Garcia's systematic review of the literature suggests, is one of the factors driving the increase in hookups, a "popular cultural change that has infiltrated the lives of emerging adults throughout the Western world." The review shows that hookups are becoming increasingly normative among young adults and adolescents in North America and have taken root throughout the Western world, which represents a notable shift in how casual sex is perceived and accepted.
 * Garcia and others have noted that the "past decade has witnessed an explosion in interest in the topic of hookups, both scientifically and in the popular media. Research on hookups is not seated within a singular disciplinary sphere; it sits at the crossroads of theoretical and empirical ideas drawn from a diverse range of fields, including psychology, anthropology, sociology, biology, medicine, and public health." Difficulties in defining the term can lead to different perceptions of its prevalence.
 * Garcia and others have noted that the "past decade has witnessed an explosion in interest in the topic of hookups, both scientifically and in the popular media. Research on hookups is not seated within a singular disciplinary sphere; it sits at the crossroads of theoretical and empirical ideas drawn from a diverse range of fields, including psychology, anthropology, sociology, biology, medicine, and public health." Difficulties in defining the term can lead to different perceptions of its prevalence.
 * Garcia and others have noted that the "past decade has witnessed an explosion in interest in the topic of hookups, both scientifically and in the popular media. Research on hookups is not seated within a singular disciplinary sphere; it sits at the crossroads of theoretical and empirical ideas drawn from a diverse range of fields, including psychology, anthropology, sociology, biology, medicine, and public health." Difficulties in defining the term can lead to different perceptions of its prevalence.

How is that? --Illuminato (talk) 19:26, 12 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Phrases like "last year", and "last decade", etc. tend to date fast. When did Garcia actually write this text and to what decade is he referring? Dimadick (talk) 18:03, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * When it comes to in-text attribution, I go by what I discussed with Maunus in this discussion; Maunus and I somewhat disagree on the topic. And on the flipside of in-text attribution being argued as providing neutrality, a WP:GA reviewer, when reviewing the Female genital mutilation article, argued that it can provide non-neutrality. Bottomline on the matter of in-text attribution is that there are positive sides and downsides to it.


 * On a side note, I noticed around the time that it happened that an IP restored Illuminato's Sexual behavior of American adolescents POV fork. And just minutes ago, this IP restored a lot of material to the Adolescent sexuality in the United States‎ article. I don't think that the former IP is Illuminato, but I do think that the latter IP is Illuminato. Flyer22 (talk) 00:33, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Shouldn't this just redirect to Casual sex?
This article is deeply flawed and pretty much just supports that casual sex happens and not just in America or on college campuses. The rest is one note ringing on if/or if not casual sex (or sex that is not bound in a legal marriage) is moral or natural. Isn't that covered in Casual sex already?Saltybone (talk) 00:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Consensus seems to be that the term is notable, but I agree that the article is problematic. It is heavily biased and needs to be completely rewritten from a neutral point of view. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:18, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I saw there was a discussion to delete it and I agree that it _could_ be a reasonable article, but I think it should be completely thrown out and started anew. This page is just a mess and doesn't help anything.Saltybone (talk) 04:12, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It was nominated for deletion a few months ago, but it was kept. The consensus was that the topic is notable, even if the article is a mess.  You could boldly attempt to clean up the article yourself, but that will probably ignite an edit war.  You could hold an RFC to establish consensus to stubify the article, but that will take a month to run its course, and it might end up with no consensus at all.  And, if you have a specific complaint and are ready to produce diffs and evidence that you've tried to solve the issues on this talk page, you could bring this article to the neutral point of view  noticeboard.  Or you could just give up and edit other articles, like I think most of us have done. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 07:41, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

I mostly agree with the person above, but also think this article had a lot of great points. I think this article had a lot of generalizations on the hook up culture. Do hook ups happen everywhere, or just in America and at college? A lot of religions and beliefs do not believe in sex before marriage, or sex at all. For example, Mormonism. This religion requires that you cannot have sex until marriage, so how is it that supporting the claim of hook up culture happening everywhere. Do you think this should be named as casual sex rather than a certain culture? Aalbaeck (talk) 22:16, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

I feel that everything is properly cited. In addition to this, the article has a lot of really good sources that backup the over all topic of Hookup CultureGhmcinnes (talk) 01:01, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Some of the information about relationships and students in college feels biased or opinionated. Not all students are hooking up simply because they feel like their peers are doing it or they are busy with schoolGhmcinnes (talk) 01:17, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

I think that this is very valid but I think that "hookup culture" is more than just within college students. The "hookup culture" now a days, is between not only young adults, but every age. 2602:306:BC2E:1A20:B5C9:2A76:364E:68AB (talk) 19:09, 23 September 2016 (UTC)Dakota Himmelman

According to the book Hooking Up: Sex, Dating, and Relationships on Campus, "the only major similarity between hooking up in college and dating after college is the location where men and women meet" Dakotahimmelman (talk)Dakota Himmelman 9/23/16 —Preceding undated comment added 19:24, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Adding Religion Section?
I plan to add to History, Religion, and maybe Risk and Drugs and Alcohol with reference to cited sources such as: HollyElizHart (talk) 00:48, 30 September 2016 (UTC)Holly Hart HollyElizHart (talk) 00:48, 30 September 2016 (UTC)


 * HollyElizHart, thanks for letting us know your plans for the article. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:58, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

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I am thinking about adding adult hook up culture into this section. They talk a lot about youth and college, but I read up on it and adults have a hookup culture too. I think that it's an important aspect of the term "hookup culture" because it is not only happening within the teenage and young adults anymore.

—

I am finalizing what I want to contribute to the article. I have created a new subheading to go under ==College== called "Peer Culture" where I want to talk about how sexual activity amongst college students is very publicized because everyone is trying to find their sexual identity and explore their sexual beings, which is based off of what others around them are doing sexually as well. I want to convey that this "Peer Culture" and lack of privacy, is what contributes to a hookup culture where many people know and talk about what is sexually occurring in their peer's lives. I plan to reference Kathleen Bogle, a source I mentioned earlier in the talk page, referring to a study she did at a college about how there is a lack of privacy and how peer's are basing their sexual selves off of what is the "norm" in the hookup culture.

I also want to use reference from the citation below, to add more on slang terms for the hookup culture in part of the ==History== section. As well as add about ==History== of what hookup culture has lead to with reference to Shannon Boodram, who I mentioned in the talk page before, in a way to describe the hookup culture in a different way.

Let me know your feedback on these ideas! Thank you! HollyElizHart (talk) 00:38, 21 October 2016 (UTC)Holly HartHollyElizHart (talk) 00:38, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

The Hookup Culture and Religion
The hookup culture has become a huge part of society for both adolescents and adults. This new form of dating can not only cause psychological effects, but it can also cause confusion for someone spiritually. College students are specifically exposed to the hookup culture and may feel pressure from peers when it comes to engaging in casual hookups. Furthermore, "Certainly, abstaining from the hookup scene is possible, but this decision is rife with social consequences that all contribute to the perpetuation of the hookup culture." Religious young adults may find college to be a testing time when it comes to their faith. The hookup culture can encourage premarital sex which can be conflicting for Christianity's ideologies. For example, "Broad social changes such as the delay in marriage, greater acceptance of premarital sex, and the availability of birth control create conditions ripe for hooking up" Not only does premarital sex conflict with a lot of different religious beliefs, but the use of birth control amongst young adult women is also very controversial. Even if the college campus is religious, most colleges have residence halls where it is easy for the opposite sex to access and engage in premarital sex. With the glamorization of casual hookups in the media, premarital sex amongst young adults does not seem like it will decline any time soon. For those struggling with their faith and the hookup culture amongst their college campuses, it would be important for them to engage with others who are facing the same struggles. Morganludlow7 (talk) 21:25, 4 November 2016 (UTC)Morgan Ludlow

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Sociology and hookup culture
I added some sociological and social historical perspectives to the article, citing D'Emilio and Freedman and Lisa Wade's new book on hookup culture. Also clarified some statements that were incorrect. This article is really starting to take shape.AnaSoc (talk) 22:41, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I attempted to integrate Wade and D'Emilio & Freedman throughout for more balance. Also added sociological and social scientific information in the Wider culture subsection to expand the discussion beyond college students.AnaSoc (talk) 00:58, 17 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Regarding this and this, I think it's best to stay on the topic of hookup culture. I don't think that the article should have much "casual sex in general" material. By this, I mean that I think that the sources should typically be specifically about hookup culture. That stated, I do see how what you added about older adults is relevant. I also questioned you adding dating apps, but I do see that one of the sources uses the term hookup-apps in its title. I don't know if the other sources use that term, but, again, I can see how the content is relevant.


 * On a side note: If you reply to me on this talk page, pleas don't ping me. As the edit history shows, I've been watching this article for years. So it's on my watchlist. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:27, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Delete or rework?
I deleted this section from the Article as it reads more like an essay than a Wikipedia article. It also gives incorrect information, e.g. not "everybody" is having hook up sex. I suggest we either rework this section, integrate its good parts into the article, or delete it.

Adults in hookup culture

Adult hookups have become more apparent within the last ten years. Instead of a monogamous relationship, men and women have started to have one night stands. Not only is this within the younger generations, but the older as well. According to the American Psychological Association, "evidence suggests that both pleasure and reproductive motives may influence these sexual patterns, as seen in participants' reactions following uncommitted sex." Because of the lack of belief in no premarital sex, hookups have become a norm for everyone. According to the Archives of Sexual Behavior and Attitudes, "In the nationally representative General Social Survey, U.S. Adults (N = 33,380) in 2000–2012 (vs. the 1970s and 1980s) had more sexual partners, were more likely to have had sex with a casual date or pickup or an acquaintance, and were more accepting of most non-marital sex (premarital sex, teen sex, and same-sex sexual activity, but not extramarital sex)." In other words,more and more adults are now okay with having sex without being in a committed relationship or marriage. This is the reason for the growing hookup culture, as adults are changing their ways. According to the American Psychological Association, "today, sexual behavior outside of traditional committed romantic pair-bonds has become increasingly typical and socially acceptable." Also, divorce has risen in the United States making the hookup culture available to just about anyone. Because of the higher divorce rate in the states, there are more and more single baby boomers which are creating the hookup culture within the elder generations. Lastly, there are many dating websites on the internet that are for adults to meet up only for hookups. Adults can now download an application or make an account for a dating website to find another person who is looking for the same thing.

Your suggestions? Revert and keep? Rework and keep? Integrate into the other parts of the article? Or delete?AnaSoc (talk) 01:04, 17 June 2018 (UTC)


 * You were right to delete it. If re-added, it definitely needs better wording, and it should have decent sourcing and no WP:Synthesis. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:27, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

plagiarized? unencyclopedic tone?
The section Hookup culture begins ''What does it mean when one uses the phrase "hooking up"? The term's definition can vary depending on the person or on the age group.'' My Spider-sense is buggy, but that phrasing "feels" different from most of what i read on Wikipedia, like maybe someone copy-pasted it from somewhere. (My first guess would be the cited source, but that page isn't loading for me right now.) Any suggestions how to check if there's plagiarism in play? i tried copy-pasting into a search engine... but i'm not sure if some of my search results aren't plagiarizing Wikipedia, rather than the other way around. --71.121.143.119 (talk) 23:50, 8 August 2018 (UTC) p.s.--i just found this at User:7&6=thirteen's page, and it feels appropriate here:

Questionable sources Comment
Hello, was just browsing through and in reading this article, something caught my attention at the end of section 4 (College): "The casualty of the hook up culture has made the rape culture increase tremendously.[43]" That sounded rather opinionated and unsubstantiated to me, so I checked the source. Turns out it in fact is: The source is published in the opinion section of a university student newspaper and even labels itself as opinion, so it's not really a valid, reliable source for Wikipedia. I haven't done any editing in a long, long time, but I wanted to bring this to the attention of those who are actively editing so that it can be discussed and rectified accordingly. Thanks, Wikipedians. :) --Animated Cascade (talk) 13:11, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll tweak that. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 04:00, 29 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I removed the entire piece. Was not worded in an encyclopedic manner. And the source is not strong. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 04:08, 29 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for taking care of that, Flyer22 Reborn. I appreciate it. --Animated Cascade (talk) 02:21, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Tagging things as uncited
Vontheri, when it comes to tagging things as uncited, as you did here and here, make sure that none of the sources support the statement. Often, a paragraph on Wikipedia will have a topic sentence and the material will be sourced at the end of the next sentence or at the end of the paragraph. It's not always the case that every sentence in a paragraph will have a citation behind it; this is because editors feel that it's not needed and/or they are trying to avoid citation overkill. If you reply to me on this, I prefer that you don't WP:Ping me since this article is on my watchlist. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 11:31, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Adding more about hookup culture for a school project
I will be re-creating an article about hook-up culture and how it is viewed in our society for a graduate class, COM 563 at the University of Alabama. Here is my bibliography for this assignment.

Bruce, M., & Stewart, R. M. (2010). College Sex : philosophy for everyone : philosophers with benefits. : Philosophy for everyone. : Philosophy for everyone. Chichester, West Sussex, U.K. ; Malden, MA : Wiley-Blackwell, [2010]. Retrieved from http://libdata.lib.ua.edu/login?url=https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=cat00456a&AN=ua.2949564&site=eds-live&scope=site

Freitas, D. (2018). Consent on Campus : A Manifesto. New York, NY: Oxford University Press. Retrieved from http://libdata.lib.ua.edu/login?url=https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=nlebk&AN=1854268&site=eds-live&scope=site

Garcia, J. R., Reiber, C., Massey, S. G., & Merriwether, A. M. (2012). Sexual hookup culture: A review. Review of General Psychology, 16(2), 161–176. https://doi-org.libdata.lib.ua.edu/10.1037/a0027911

Grello, C. M., Welsh, D. P., & Harper, M. S. (2006). No Strings Attached: The Nature of Casual Sex in College Students. Journal of Sex Research, 43(3), 255. https://doi-org.libdata.lib.ua.edu/10.1080/00224490609552324

Kuperberg, A., & Padgett, J. E. (2017). Partner Meeting Contexts and Risky Behavior in College Students’ Other-Sex and Same-Sex Hookups. Journal of Sex Research, 54(1), 55. https://doi-org.libdata.lib.ua.edu/10.1080/00224499.2015.1124378

Lewis, M. A., Atkins, D. C., Blayney, J. A., Dent, D. V., & Kaysen, D. L. (2013). What Is Hooking Up? Examining Definitions of Hooking Up in Relation to Behavior and Normative Perceptions. Journal of Sex Research, 50(8), 757. https://doi-org.libdata.lib.ua.edu/10.1080/00224499.2012.706333

Lovejoy, M. (2015). Hooking Up as an Individualistic Practice: A Double-Edged Sword for College Women. Sexuality & Culture, 19(3), 464–492. https://doi-org.libdata.lib.ua.edu/10.1007/s12119-015-9270-9

Lufkin, K. M. (2017). Hookup Culture in Gay Men: An Application of Minority Stress Model, Just World Belief, and Attachment Style on Interpersonal Relationship Choices (Master's thesis, Portland State University) (pp. 1-34). University Honor Theses. Retrieved January 23, 2019.

Monto, M. A., & Carey, A. G. (2014). A New Standard of Sexual Behavior? Are Claims Associated With the “Hookup Culture” Supported by General Social Survey Data? Journal of Sex Research, 51(6), 605–615. https://doi-org.libdata.lib.ua.edu/10.1080/00224499.2014.906031

Poost, A.-S. (2018). Bromance and Hookup Culture: A Study in the Performance of Masculinity by College Men. International Social Science Review, 94(3), 1–38. Retrieved from http://libdata.lib.ua.edu/login?url=https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=bsu&AN=134080025&site=eds-live&scope=site

WEITBRECHT, E. M., & WHITTON, S. W. (2017). Expected, ideal, and actual relational outcomes of emerging adults’ “hook ups.” Personal Relationships, 24(4), 902–916. https://doi-org.libdata.lib.ua.edu/10.1111/pere.12220

Williamsen, K. (2013). The High Cost of “Hooking Up”. (cover story). New American (08856540), 29(1), 10. Retrieved from http://libdata.lib.ua.edu/login?url=https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=pwh&AN=86214924&site=eds-live&scope=site

Brand72093 (talk) 22:34, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Brand72093, see WP:Student assignments. Also, per WP:Synthesis, make sure that any sources you use are on-topic. And regarding the links, it's best not to link to school sites that editors do not have access to. We shouldn't be linking to sources that require editors to log in when they very well can't log in. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:51, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Peer Review for COM 563 Class
The lead section defining hook up culture clear and easy to follow. The article is well organized and has appropriate categories of adolescents, college, drugs and alcohol. The sub-categories of relationships, risk and peer culture are appropriate sub-groups for the topic of Hook up culture. The addition of links connecting to mobile hookup apps and dating service website added value to lead section and the article itself.

The tone is neutral. I could not tell if the article agreed or disagreed with the hookup culture which is a positive and the structure is clear and to the point. I tested some of the citation links and they worked properly. The citation links were also updated from a generic web citation to specifically cite a journal and newspaper source with the specific authors noted. The addition of bold font to major terms in the article brought clarity to the reading as well.

I was unable to locate additional text that may have been added. I apologize for missing it.

Tgsmith1908 (talk) 02:37, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Merge proposal
I suggest that Hook-up culture should clearly be merged into Hookup culture as they are clearly about identical topics, just with a differing spelling. Jono 99 (talk) 06:53, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support merge Quite a big oops there, with nobody catching that the 2019 article creation was redundant. Schazjmd   (talk)  14:23, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per norm. Surprised this wasn't caught earlier too. Bennv123 (talk) 23:15, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think is active. I'd forgotten all about this proposal until your comment brought it up on my watchlist. I seriously doubt anyone is going to object to this merge., are you interested in taking it on? If not, I'll do it.  Schazjmd   (talk)  23:50, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I have no objections to you merging the articles. I considered redirecting the duplicate article to this one myself, but it looks like a lot of effort went into the duplicate article, so a proper merger would be better. Bennv123 (talk) 00:43, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Great, I'll take care of it. Thanks! Schazjmd   (talk)  00:47, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Schazjmd   (talk)  15:41, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Jono 99, Bennv123, and Schazjmd, for the merge, a lot of redundancies were added into the article. I think it would have been better to just delete the identical-topic article, or redirect it to this one with no merge, since this one has been around for much longer and the newer one had a lot more issues. Of course, if the newer one had anything in it worth keeping, it could be added to the article. But, here, too much was merged. Are there any objections to me unmerging and only keeping what should be kept? Enlightenedstranger0 (talk) 23:41, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , feel free to reduce redundancies in the existing article. I'd suggest that you don't unmerge or revert to before the merge because another editor has made a lot of edits since then. Schazjmd   (talk)  23:50, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Schazjmd, yeah, I see the intermediate edits. There are just a few, and I can edit around those while editing the version before the merge. It's easy for me to edit the old version while retaining any intermediate edits that should remain. Enlightenedstranger0 (talk) 23:56, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Megtro22 made more than a few edits, but I'll keep what should stay. Enlightenedstranger0 (talk) 00:00, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment
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