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Manchester and Sheffield Turnpike Company?
I have two sources for the name of the company that built the turnpike road over Mam Tor. The information board at the Odin Mine calls the company the ' Manchester and Sheffield Turnpike Company' but the British Geological Society call the company the 'Sheffield Turnpike Company'. Can anyone with knowlege of turnpikes clarify the correct name of the company? See the http://www.bgs.ac.uk/landslides/MamTor.html web page for the BGS's information. Thanks. 86.168.63.42 (talk) 22:30, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Later sources refer to the 'Sheffield and Chapel-en-le-Frith Turnpike Roads Trust' eg Saturday 19 September 1840 edition of the Derbyshire Courier, Derbyshire record office 1824 and An Appendix to the "Description of the Intended Line of the Sheffield and Manchester Railway" Containing an Abstract of the Act of Parliament 1831. The railway appendix refers to a proposed tunnel under Mam Tor. I've not found any documentary evidence, but it used to be said in Castleton that the police station was built there, rather than Hope, because the railway was planned to run nearby. There was a police station there from at least 1880, as mentioned in a Friday 02 January 1880 article in the Sheffield Daily Telegraph.

The A625 road article quotes the National Trust history as referring to the Sheffield Turnpike Company. The Sheffield to Hathersage Turnpike article says "In 1758 the road from Little Sheffield over the moors to Hathersage which ran through Castleton to Sparrow Pit Gate on the Chapel-en-le-Frith Road was turnpiked." That statement is copied from an Hunter Archaeological Society article in Vol 10 (1971–1979). That same article says, "In 1809, the Sparrow Pit Trustees prepared estimates to expend some £9,000 on improving their road on Dore Moor, near the Odin Mine at Castleton and at Mam Tor through to Chapel-en-le-Frith. Two years later, they obtained the necessary statutory powers to effect these improvements whereby the long hauls up from Hazleford Bridge and through the Winnats were at last eliminated." So it seems the Sparrow Pit Trustees initiated the road, but it was later known as the Sheffield and Chapel-en-le-Frith Turnpike Roads Trust. Can anyone find out when the change was made and amend all these articles appropriately? Johnragla (talk) 07:40, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your advice on chasing up the Sheffield & Chapel-en-le-Frith company. I have just had a look at the http://www.turnpikes.org.uk/Tollhouses%20of%20Derbyshire.htm page. I did a text search on 'Chapel-en-le-Frith' and found a number of entries relating to locations in the Hope Valley along the old route of the A625, including 'The Dale, Sheffield Road', 'Hill Foot', 'Hathersage Road on E side of Mytham Bridge', 'The Toll Bar (Toll Bar Cottage, next to Cross Street', 'Winnats Pass (old road) lapsed in 1811' and 'just E of jct with old road to Speedwell mine built after 1811 improveme' (sic). The last entry certainly applies to the Mam Tor road. The turnpikes.org.uk appears to well researched and cites 'Roberts A.F. (1992) Turnpike Roads around Buxton; Dodd A.E. & Dodd E.M. (1980) Peakland Roads & Trackways' as the authority. I am not sure if turnpikes.org.uk is a suitable reference to quote but I am going to change the Wiki entries and cite it until someone checks the original source. 86.168.63.42 (talk) 21:14, 20 December 2017 (UTC)