Talk:Horizon Air/Archive 1

Inflight magazine
Should we link to the inflight magazine in the article? I thought we usually left external links to the final section. Is there a different style guideline for the airlines? Jwrosenzweig 20:01, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Splitting destinations into a new article
I don't think this would be a bad idea. The destinations section is getting rather lengthy, and it wouldn't hurt if it had its own section, like lots of other articles have. --Адам12901 Talk 21:21, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Good idea. I'm all for it.


 * Jarfingle 22:01, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree24.20.184.141 03:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I would maybe hold off until all Frontier JetExpress service ends then you can have one article dedicated to solely Horizon Air destinations. Sox 23 15:23, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I would rather have all the information on one page [as it is right now], in order to save the person who is doing research more time; rather than going on a scavenger hunt for the destinations, everything is clearly listed and can easily be accessed by the reader.

...I agree. Info on one page is easier to access; it's not like QX has dozens and dozens of destinations like NWA/KLM or UA.

...Frontier JetExpress service ended, so I am all for making a new article, because the list is getting quite long, and takes up a bit of space. Plane nerd (talk) 03:23, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Airplane Nicknames
My brother is a pilot at Horizon, and the pilot corps there has given comic nicknames to the three airplanes they fly.

The Bombardier Q-200 is known as the "Weed-Whacker" the 400 as the "Mega-Whacker" and the CRJ-700 as the "Barbie Dream Jet." Perhaps it's not the most informative stuff, but it could add some color to an otherwise bland article. -anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.81.193.106 (talk) 23:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Some of us rampers have come up with several names for aircraft as well: CRJ-700 N290RB "Casper" (Because of its single color white paint job) Bombardier Q400 N425QX as "Skittles" because of it's "Party Plane" livery. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Krullel (talk • contribs) 00:04, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Implausible assertions from press release
I removed the section "Services" which was advert-like, and contained the assertion "Horizon is known for being the first regional airline to have flight attendants, food, and a pressurized cabin", which is not even remotely true as regional airlines like Allegheny, Mohawk, and Lake Central flew the Convair 440, Convair 580, and BAC 1-11 in the 1950s-70s, all of which had pressurized cabins, flight attendants, and food. Sorry, but that's a howler. --MCB 07:34, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:CRJ College Livery.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:11, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

New photos
Dudes, pics of the new planes are already in. Anybody know how to put in those new pictures> —Preceding unsigned comment added by CrazyHermit (talk • contribs) 22:27, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

GEG?
I just noticed that recently, Spokane International Airport was listed as a hub. I don't agree. Any thoughts?

Maybe "focus city" would be better. GEG isn't really designed to be a true "hub" but its location makes it a good jumping-off point for several relatively high-load regional runs (see QX route map).... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.249.65.188 (talk) 23:02, 18 June 2007

Photo request--New Horizon Air livery
Could someone who lives in Seattle, WA please take a picture of a Horizon Air aircraft in the new livery? We had an image before, but that was a non-free rendering that was only here until a plane is actually painted in the new livery. But that has happened now, and the image that we had is now up for speedy deletion. Now we need a new picture of the livery. So could someone please upload a picture they took? That would be great. Thanks, Compdude123 (talk) 22:25, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Added one to the article. -- Hawaiian717 (talk) 00:54, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your efforts. &mdash;Compdude123 (talk) 17:34, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

SDSU
San Diego State now has a livery plane, but I don't know the N-number for it. If anyone knows, go ahead and add thgat to the list of university liveries. YellowAries2010 (talk) 05:12, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, I just found out. It was posted on my Facebook feed. It's N414QX. But I don't want to be guilty of "original research", so I'll let it be. A more experienced editor can add it. YellowAries2010 (talk) 18:40, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Integrate?
AFAIK, "Horizon Air" has been dropped. Shouldn't this article be integrated into the main Alaska Airlines article? YellowAries2010 (talk) 05:14, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Horizon Air is still an existent airline, despite the recent adoption of the Alaska Airlines brand and the Eskimo face. The actual name of the airline is still Horizon Air; "Alaska Horizon" is just a branding name.  "Horizon Air" is still the common name for the airline because the branding change happened fairly recently.  Horizon Air is an airline, not just a marketing brand for Alaska Airlines' regional flights.  &mdash;Comp dude 123 22:45, 31 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Weirdly (to me), as of May 2014 "Horizon now operates all of its flights under the Alaska brand name though it remains a separate company with separate contracts with its employees." - http://www.thenewstribune.com/2014/05/07/3184447/alaska-airlines-and-horizon-air.html#storylink=cpy


 * I think the article should make that much clearer. The change is why, for example, there are no Horizon aircraft listed at seatguru.com. -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 19:01, 25 May 2014 (UTC)


 * IMHO the only reason there technically is still a Horizon Air is for the convenience of existing union contracts (which expire when?) otherwise Horizon Air has ceased to exist and the article should reflect this.--Degen Earthfast (talk) 23:04, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Spokane hub?
I don't think Spokane (GEG) should be listed as a hub since its 4 destinations are all other 'hubs' (ANC, BOI, PDX, SEA)--crescent22 (talk) 20:21, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Q400 fleet
Did Horizon ever take delivery of those last two Q400s? They were ordered in January 2015 - https://www.bombardier.com/en/media/newsList/details.alaska-air-grouppurchasestwomorebombardierq400nextgenaircraft.bombardiercom.html - but still don't seem to have arrived.

The CAPA article (not behind a paywall as far as I can tell), https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/reports/alaska-air-and-jetblue-work-toward-key-fleet-decisions-airbus-and-embraer-await-the-outcome-388239, and older versions of Beyond magazine listed 52 aircraft delivered. If they currently have 49, they must have retired 3 aircraft this year. Given they were planning to retire 13, that leaves another 10 due for retirement. I have changed the notes in the fleet section to reflect that.

The source given for orders and deliveries on the Wikipedia page for Q400 was incorrect, it was actually the program status report for CRJ and Challenger aircraft. I can't seem to find an up to date source for Q400 orders, but it seems likely these last two Q400s aren't getting delivered/were cancelled. I don't see why Horizon would take them when they are already retiring the aircraft type. Any ideas on whether to keep the "2" in the orders column?

Also, at the January earnings call - https://alaskaairgroupinc.gcs-web.com/static-files/2745c966-dfa7-4cb8-a9f4-9ae45fd6bb3b - they reported they were retiring 13 Q400s this year, at the end of which the regional fleet will number 95, of which 61% (58) are E175s. That leaves 37 Q400s, meaning they started the year with 50. Either way, it seems unlikely they took delivery of those last two or ever plan to. Mirza Ahmed (talk) 15:15, 22 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Horizon had 52 Q400 aircraft as of October 2017 with plans to retire 13 by the end of the 2018. They have retired three aircraft (N419QX on 10/08/17, N418QX on 10/24/17, and N420QX on 01/04/18), leaving 10 to be retired. The orders for three new Q400 aircraft are a confusing subject, as of March 31, 2018 the aircraft have not been delivered more than three years after they were ordered, but Bombardier still has the aircraft on their order book (https://www.bombardier.com/content/dam/Websites/bombardiercom/supporting-documents/BA/Bombardier-Aerospace-20180331-Q-Series-Program-Status-en.pdf). That means that despite the current fleet trends, Horizon and Bombardier have not formally cancelled the order. That’s a very recent source and it supports that information, therefore I believe that it should remain on the page. --RickyCourtney (talk) 16:19, 22 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Great, thanks for the source. I'm still confused about the earnings call; 52 minus 13 is 39, but in a fleet of 95 aircraft, that's 41%, not 39% as would be the case if E175s comprised the other 61%. Mirza Ahmed (talk) 17:32, 22 May 2018 (UTC)