Talk:Horizon League

School type/religious affiliation
The religious affiliation or designation as "non-sectarian" is not so clear cut. For example, Duke University describes its ties with Methodism as "formal, on-going, and symbolic" while Wake Forest University maintains "a dedication to the values rooted in its Baptist heritage". Both schools can be considered "non-sectarian" in that they are no longer under the direct auspices of their founding religious organizations. Likewise, Boston College maintains its Jesuit identity in spite of the fact that it severed its formal ties with the Jesuit Order (and thereby the Catholic Church) in the 1960s when it was independently incorporated under a lay board of trustees. Unlike the Catholic University of America, which is under the direct auspices of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, or the University of Notre Dame, which is governed by "fellows" who must be priests of the Congregation of Holy Cross, The Trustees of Boston College (BC's governing body) operate independent of any religious jurisdiction. This arrangement is probably similar to that at Duke or Wake Forest, except that the BC trustees have voluntarily chosen to elect members of the founding religious organization to the presidency (though they are not required to do so). In fact, similar arrangements exist at other Jesuit colleges and universities, where both women and non-clerics have been elected to presidency (most recently at Georgetown University). All of this is to say that I think the nature of a school's religious affiliation is beyond the scope of this article, and that "public" or "private" suffice in the context of the members table. --24.63.125.78 10:17, 7 January 2006 (UTC)


 * 24.63.125.78 has coppied and pasted this on almost every college conference discussion board. Please refer to Talk:Atlantic Coast Conference so we can keep all the discussion in one place.  Thanks. -- Masonpatriot

Here's an impressive statistic...
Over the last four NCAA men's basketball tournaments (2003-2006), 26 Big Ten teams have beaten a total of seven teams seeded sixth or higher (effectively the equivalent of top 25 teams), while five Horizon League schools - Milwaukee three times, Butler and Chicago - have beaten a total of five teams seeded sixth or higher. The Horizon League's total is sixth among all leagues, the Big Ten's is fifth.

Milwaukee

 * Since 2005 the school has been actively marketing itself as "Milwaukee." Many locals still call it UWM, and ESPN/CBS still call the school "Wisconsin-Milwaukee." But the school has made an effort to drop the "Wisconsin" in promoting athletics. The new logo shows "MILWAUKEE PANTHERS" while making "University of Wisconsin" in very small print, and the athletics website even calls the team simply "Milwaukee Panthers" or just "Milwaukee" with out the UW part. (I am alumnus of UWM) &mdash; Linnwood 19:29, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Further edits on this matter are now considered vandalsim. Both myself and Jjjsixsix have reverted this several times and left notes in the edit summaries. I also left a note on TimBoyee's talk page which he ignored. At no point in time has the University of Wisconsin &mdash; Milwaukee ever called it self "Wisconsin-Milwaukee." Only CBS and ESPN call the school that. The school in the past has gone by "UW-Milwaukee" and "UWM." As I have stated before, for the purpose of promoting athletics the school actively marketing itself as "Milwaukee" only. The school is attempting to move out of the shadow of the University of Wisconsin-Madison and become a larger school. To that point there was a recent effort to rename the school outright (new names being voted on are "University of Milwaukee" or "Wisconsin State University") See here for more info. &mdash; Linnwood 19:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Logo Removal
Ed, you are acting unilaterally in your interpretation of policy yet again. There is no consensus in support of the actions you are taking. You are well aware of the ongoing discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Logos. Johntex\talk 16:12, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Conference Affiliation
I couldn't help notice, but Cleveland State is listed twice as making it to the Sweet 16 in 1986. While this is true, CSU did not join the Horizon League until 1994. I am not sure if they should be listed, but it should probably contain a note.--Fbdave 00:55, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * That is indeed an error in the table I made when putting it together. The table should only contain accomplishments of teams that were current members of the conference at that time. Thanks for pointing it out, I'm going to fix it right now! - CollegeSportsGuy 07:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Milwaukee and Green Bay
There have been a lot of changes regarding the names of the two Wisconsin schools. The media guide for the Green Bay school says that the teams should be referred to as Green Bay. However, I can't find anything on the Milwaukee school. Their athletics website refers to them as Milwaukee, Wisconsin-Milwaukee and UW-Milwaukee. Fbdave (talk) 22:52, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It appears both schools are now only going by their primary athletics monikers (shown on all their team uniforms in all sports): "Green Bay" and "Milwaukee". The Horizon League website has apparently also been updated to show this: http://horizonleague.cstv.com/index-main.html


 * I also found this in the Official Horizon League Logo and Branding Guide: http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/hori/genrel/auto_pdf/07_brand_id_guide.pdf


 * "Preferred Athletics References: Milwaukee, UWM"
 * "Acceptable Usage: UW-Milwaukee"
 * "Unacceptable Name Usage: Wisconsin-Milwaukee"


 * So I'm not sure who UWMsports is, but he sure doesn't look like he is who he says he is given his edit history... 72.131.6.166 (talk) 13:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Historic section
The Historic section is parimarily about the history of the teams in the Horizon League, rather than the history of the league itself. For example, Valpo's 1998 Sweet Sixteen appearance, Loyola's NCAA tournament championship, and Butler's national championships all occurred before these teams joined the League (in fact, mostly before the League even existed). I'm not sure yet how to clean this up. Jpers36 (talk) 21:30, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I changed the historic section to reflect sweet sixteen appearances, etc., only accomplished while teams were part of the HL. However, I did leave mention of the three national championships because I think they are worth noting. City boy77 (talk) 03:31, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

UIC and Loyola labels
This is maybe an idiotic nitpick, but on the map of where the schools are located you have the northern of the two dots in Chicago labeled as UIC, and the southern of the two labeled as Loyola. This is backwards. The main campus of Loyola is on the far north side of the city; UIC is on the near west side, about eight miles south of Loyola.

I'd fix it myself, but I have no idea how to edit those maps. 75.34.58.73 (talk) 03:59, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Salem College?
I just basically reverted an edit which had added Salem College to the list of former members, mainly because that edit completely wrecked the table and the following section due to a syntax error, but also because Salem's certainly never been a full member of this league. The Salem College which was linked to is a women-only school which is only now getting itself up to NCAA Division III standards; the dab possibility, Salem International University, is a Division II school. If either of these schools did, in fact, participate as a league member in some sport, then feel free to put it back in -- but please note the sport and provide a cite. JFMorse (talk) 01:42, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Milwaukee Ranking 2004-05
As I've fixed this a few times now, I want to make it clear that Milwaukee was not ranked in the final ESPN/USA Today poll, which was released 3/28/05. The final poll can be viewed here. Please note that if you are viewing the March 7, 2005, poll, you will need to click on week 15, then click on week 17. There seems to be a glitch with ESPN's website. City boy77 (talk) 03:34, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Proposal to make timelines more consistent
I noticed that conferences in List of NCAA conferences have articles, usually including a membership timeline. While some of the decisions made for each conference make some sense, there is a wide variety of styles for the various timelines, particularly involving color choices, but also other matters of style that could be more consistent.

for example, a school with a yellow bar means:
 * An associate member in one sport (if part of the BE)
 * A former member of the conference (in the SEC)
 * A future member of the conference (in the SEC and Big West)
 * A football only member (in the Sun Belt)
 * A team that has moved to another conference (in the WAC, NEC)
 * A full member of the Big Sky

Some graphs have captions, some do not, and none are centered. To see the variety of styles, review Current conference timelines

I think it would be worth discussing how best to provide some measure of consistency, recognizing that there may be legitimate reasons for some differences from a standard presentation (for example, some conferences show the name of the new conference for former members. In some cases, this makes sense, in other, it may not.)

I've produced a draft of how the timelines would look with some consistency added. Please see Draft proposal of conference timelines.

I propose a discussion to see if there is consensus on improving the consistency.

Because it would not be practical to have this discussion on each and every conference talk page, I suggest centralizing this discussion at the Talk page of Project College football SPhilbrick  (Talk)  12:49, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Standardize facility sections
See the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College baseball.

Discussion about overview maps for US collegiate athletic conferences
A discussion on the Project College Football talk page has been created to discuss the proper format of the overview maps that are used for the US collegiate athletic conference pages.

If you're interested, please join the discussion here: Athletic conference overview maps and their lack of consistency. Mdak06 (talk) 00:00, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

College basketball team navigation templates
Please join the discussion at the College Basketball Wikiproject for forming a consensus on the creation of a basic navigation template for college basketball teams. CrazyPaco (talk) 09:10, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

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