Talk:Hormel Foods/Archive 2

Request edit 05-JUL-2018
Hello, for the infobox I would like to suggest some possible changes. Thank you. Suggested:

•	Delete: Jeffrey Ettinger (Chairman)[1] “"Hormel Foods Announces Chief Executive Officer Retirement And Appointment | Hormel Foods". Hormel Foods (Press release). 6 September 2016.

Add: Jeffrey Ettinger (Chairman)

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 21:43, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, for the infobox I would like to suggest some possible changes. Thank you.

•	Delete: James Snee (CEO)[1]“"Hormel Foods Announces Chief Executive Officer Retirement And Appointment | Hormel Foods". Hormel Foods (Press release). 6 September 2016.

Add: James Snee (Chairman) Hello-Mary-H (talk) 21:51, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Reply 05-JUL-2018
 spintendo   23:45, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I've listed James Snee as Chairman, President and CEO since those are the positions that this source has him filling.

request edit 10-JUL-2018
Hello, for the infobox I would like to suggest some possible changes, based on the statement that “As of April 29, 2018, the Company had approximately 20,600 employees worldwide” from a 10-K annual report SEC filing by Hormel. Thank you.

•	Delete: Number of employees 21,000 (2016)[4] https://csr.hormelfoods.com/about-this-report/data-summary/ Add: Employees 20,000 Hello-Mary-H (talk) 19:09, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Reply 10-JUL-2018
 spintendo   04:06, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

request edit 13-JUL-2018 (#1)
Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes, to update the source so that it is not a Hormel source. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: In 1901, the plant was expanded and the business was incorporated. Dougherty, Richard (1966). In Quest of Quality: Hormel's First 75 Years Austin, Minnesota: Geo A. Hormel & Company. ASIN B0006BOWUW. OCLC 988269

Add: In 1901, the plant was expanded and the business was incorporated. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 01:07, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes, to update the source so that it is not a Hormel source. Thank you. Suggested new info: Delete: The first directors were A.L. Eberhart and the four Hormel brothers: George, Herman, John and Ben. In Quest of Quality: Hormel's First 75 Years Austin, Minnesota: Geo A. Hormel & Company. ASIN B0006BOWUW. OCLC 988269

Add: The first directors were A.L. Eberhart and the four Hormel brothers: George, Herman, John and Ben.

The History of Mower County, Minnesota: Illustrated By Franklyn Curtiss-Wedge RareBooksClub.com (September 13, 2013). Retrieved July 12, 2018 Hello-Mary-H (talk) 01:21, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Reply 13-JUL-2018 (#1)
 spintendo   02:54, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

request edit 13-JUL-2018 (#2)
Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes, to update the source so that it is not a Hormel source. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: Gray replaced Corey as chairman of the board upon the latter's retirement in 1965, and M.B. Thompson became president.[10] "Company History". HormelFoods.com. Hormel Foods Corporation. Retrieved 28 September 2015.

Add: Gray replaced Corey as chairman of the board upon the latter's retirement in 1965, and M.B. Thompson became president.

https://newspaperarchive.com/austin-daily-herald-jul-20-1965-p-1/ Austin Daily Herald, vol. LXXIV No 213 Austin, Minn., Tuesday, July 20, 1965 Single copy retrieved July 13, 2018. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 13:28, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes, to update the source so that it is not a Hormel source. Also updating the date from 1972 to 1979 for Knowlton becoming president. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: In 1972, Holton became CEO That same year Richard Knowlton was elected as president, the first Austinian to hold that post since Jay Catherwood Hormel.[10] "Company History". HormelFoods.com. Hormel Foods Corporation. Retrieved 28 September 2015.

Add: In 1972, Holton became CEO. In 1979, Richard Knowlton was elected as president, the first Austinian to hold that post since Jay Catherwood Hormel.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 13:41, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Reply 13-JUL-2018 (#2)
 spintendo   16:59, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Updated reference percentage chart, as of 13-JUL-2018

 * Here is a listing of the sourcing percentages used in an earlier post, updated to reflect the recent reference additions to the article, with an additional column showing whether there was an increase, decrease, or no change when compared to the prior count.  spintendo   19:22, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

request edit 13-JUL-2018 (#3)
Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes, to update the source so that it is not a Hormel source. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: In 1986, Hormel Foods acquired Jennie-O Foods[14]

Add: In 1986, Hormel Foods acquired Jennie-O Foods

https://www.communitygiving.org/donor-stories/archived-stories/jennie-o-turkey-store?archived=1&q= Hello-Mary-H (talk) 20:49, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes, to update the sources. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: The SPAM Museum in Austin, Minnesota, was opened in 2001. That same year, Hormel Foods acquired The Turkey Store, the business was combined with Jennie-O Foods to form Jennie-O Turkey Store.[citation needed]

Add: The SPAM Museum in Austin, Minnesota, was opened in 2001. That same year, Hormel Foods acquired The Turkey Store, the business was combined with Jennie-O Foods to form Jennie-O Turkey Store.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/48465/000091205701007451/a2041000z8-k.htm Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:53, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Reply 13-JUL-2018 (#3)
 spintendo   04:33, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Archiving change from year-titled pages to number-titled pages 14-JUL-2018
For some reason the bot was not archiving the posts correctly. It may have something to do with my going back and adding dates to the headings. In any event, I've begun a new auto archiving under a different bot. This bot will archive the pages numerically, beginning with page #1. The two pages which were previously archived under years 2013 and 2018, I plan on waiting until the bot performs its first back up by creating page 1, then I will move the contents of the year pages to page 1 of the new archive. This will allow for listing of those pages (the ones archived by year) on the new system of pages (archived numerically). I will then change those year pages into redirects which point towards the new archive page number #1. Please be sure to date all headings on new posts and requests, this makes it easier to follow along with the discussion.  spintendo   05:06, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Just to follow up on my changes made to the autoarchiving, the new system of numbered archive pages has been setup. The new system will begin on Archive page 1. The previous, year-based system of archives has been left intact. Only 2 pages from this system were made, labeled Archives 2012 and 2018. I've included links to those two pages in the archive box, which contains the links for the new system as well. Putting all of the links in one location should make it convenient for anyone needing to search the archives. They should be reminded that although this new system starts on page 1, the archives themselves begin on the page marked 2012.
 * Also I've placed the running count for self-published sources versus independent sources under ToDo list for Hormel located in the talk page header. It defaults to collapsed, so anyone wishing to view it will need to click "Show".  spintendo   09:38, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

request edit July 14, 2018 #1
Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes, to update the source for one sentence. Thank you. Suggested new info:

The SPAM Museum in Austin, Minnesota, was opened in 2001.

http://www.mtv.com/news/1446824/spam-spam-spam-spam-spam-and-joe-walsh/ Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:39, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Reply 15-JUL-2018
The reference number count in the box shown in the talk page header has been revised to include this new reference.  spintendo   09:53, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

request edit July 20 #1
Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes, to update the source so that it is not a Hormel source.

Thank you. Suggested new info: Delete: He opened George A. Hormel & Co. in the northeast part of Austin in an old creamery building on the Cedar River.

Add: He opened George A. Hormel & Co. in the northeast part of Austin in an old creamery  building on the Cedar River.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 16:02, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Reply 20-JUL-2018
 spintendo   19:09, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

request edit July 20 #2
Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes that incorporate a quote from founder George Hormel. Thank you. Suggested new info: Delate: The remaining members of the Hormel family moved to Austin in 1895 and joined the growing business. George turned to full-time management in 1899, and focused on increasing production.[4]:24–38

Add: The remaining members of the Hormel family moved to Austin in 1895 and joined the growing business. George turned to full-time management in 1899, and focused on increasing production.[4]:24–38 “Originate, don't imitate,” was a mantra that George Hormel had learned from his father and that motto helped guide his business decisions and one that he shared with his employees often. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 00:12, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

https://www.meatpoultry.com/articles/18575-originate-don-t-imitate

Minnesota Compass American Guides, Greg Breining, 2005, Fodor’s, first retrieved July 20, 2018 https://books.google.com/books?id=-CuaJAtb6GQC&pg=PA123&lpg=PA123&dq=Originate,+not+imitate+hormel&source=bl&ots=mnBQsuxoYA&sig=y0FwpA0fdcNDPeiUKF9HXBlsbk8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiC9b-q8q7cAhUEXK0KHUqkDqM4ChDoAQgoMAA#v=onepage&q=Originate%2C%20not%20imitate%20hormel&f=false Hello-Mary-H (talk) 00:11, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

The reference provided for the quote is a government-run website for the city of Austin, Minnesota. The quote appeared under the Pillars of the City section of the website. The Pillar project's goals are laudable ones, "to give recognition to people, in Austin’s past and present, who have made significant contributions to improving the quality of life in Austin related to business innovation." The way to submit information is by filling out an application form, and anyone is open to make a submission.

Looking at the information submitted regarding the Hormel founder, it's difficult to conceive of anyone other than the company itself supplying this level of detailed information. Thus, the ultimate source of the quote is likely the company, and adding it would move the article in the opposite direction to where we want it to go, source-wise. As for the quote itself, its message of support for those in society who originate ideas and for those who are creators of innovation is nice and uplifting, but it does not add any vital information to the article. Regards,  spintendo   00:51, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Clarifying use of quotes: self-pub sources OK in BLP, perhaps others
I wanted to clarify that self-published information is usually considered acceptable for quotes made by individuals in BLP articles, and I think that could reasonably apply in situations like this too, where we have the quote coming from the founder of the company. So that was not my reason for mentioning my belief that the source of the quote was Hormel. The reason why I mentioned it was to reiterate the continuing need to move the article in the direction of independent sources, which to their credit the COI editor has been making a good effort to do.  spintendo   04:28, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

request edit July 22 #2
Hello, I would like to suggest a new lead section to adequately summarize key points of its contents. Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Delate: Hormel Foods Corporation is an American meat-based food products company based in Austin, Minnesota.

Add: Hormel Foods Corporation is an American food processor and meat-based food products company, including SPAM. Founded in Austin, Minnesota by George A. Hormel in 1891, who worked in a Chicago slaughterhouse before becoming a traveling wool and hide buyer. The company changed its name to Hormel Foods in 1995 and serves 80 countries globally, and has 40 manufacturing and distribution facilities. Hormel’s brand portfolio in 2018 includes: Applegate, Columbus Craft Meats , Dinty Moore , Jennie-O and Skippy. In 2018, the company reported annual revenues of 4.661 billion and employs 20,000. James Snee is the CEO.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 14:00, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

request edit July 22 #1
Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes that add a book source that seems to fit the WP guidelines and incorporates a quote from founder George Hormel. Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Delete: The remaining members of the Hormel family moved to Austin in 1895 and joined the growing business. George turned to full-time management in 1899, and focused on increasing production.[4]:24–38

Add: The remaining members of the Hormel family moved to Austin in 1895 and joined the growing business. George turned to full-time management in 1899, and focused on increasing production.[4]:24–38 “Originate, not imitate,” was a mantra that George Hormel had learned from his father and that motto helped guide his business decisions.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 13:02, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Reply 22-JUL-2018
The quote was integrated into a different section of the text.  spintendo   14:08, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Lead section
Hello,

Does the lead section now adequately summarize key points of its contents? Or are more key points needed?

Thank you, Hello-Mary-H (talk) 14:20, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Reply 22-JUL-2018 #2
Details were added to the lead, which still could do a better job of summarizing the information in the article (instead of just restating items like brand names and the like), but I've removed the maintenance template nonetheless since it's a bit better.  spintendo   14:27, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

request edit July 22 #3
Hello, I would like to suggest a new phrase for the lead. Many of Hormel’s products and brands (Justin’s nut butters, Skippy, Wholly Guacamole, salsas from Arriba, Chi-Chi’s, House of Tsang, etc.) are processed, and may not be meat based. Adding “food processor” may clarify that. Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Delate: Hormel Foods Corporation is an American meat-based food products company founded and based in Austin, Minnesota by George A. Hormel in 1891.

Add: Hormel Foods Corporation is an American food processor and meat-based food products company.

https://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/companyProfile/HRL

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 14:33, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I would like to suggest a new lead section to adequately summarize key points of its contents. Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Delate: Hormel Foods Corporation is an American meat-based food products company founded and based in Austin, Minnesota by George A. Hormel in 1891. The company serves 80 countries globally with brands such as Applegate, Columbus Craft Meats, Dinty Moore, Jennie-O and Skippy. In 2018, the company reported annual revenues of 4.6 billion dollars.

Add: Hormel Foods Corporation is an American meat-based food products company founded and based in Austin, Minnesota by George A. Hormel in 1891. In its early history, Hormel family members were heavily involved in production and management. The company first focused on packaging and selling ham, SPAM, sausage and other pork, chicken, beef and lamb products to consumers. By the 1980s, Hormel acquired a wider range of gourmet and international foods of packaged goods and refrigerated food brands, as well as a turkey product line. The company serves 80 countries globally with brands such as Applegate, Columbus Craft Meats, Dinty Moore, Jennie-O, SPAM and Skippy. In 2018, the company reported annual revenues of 4.6 billion dollars.

Waxman, Olivia B. (July 5, 2017), "Spam Is Turning 80. Here's How the Canned Meat Took Over the World", time.com, retrieved July 22, 2018

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 17:24, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Reply 22-JUL-2018 #3,#4
I've incorporated a few of your suggestions into the lead. If I recall, we've discussed the differences between calling it a meat-products company versus a processed-foods company, etc. I think that calling it a food products company is an altogether acceptable umbrella term to use in the lead, especially now that the lead further describes the company that Hormel started out as – including what it transitioned into with the addition of processed foods.  spintendo   01:11, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Reply 22-JUL-2018 #3,#4
"Food products company" is indeed a good umbrella term.

Thank you.Hello-Mary-H (talk) 20:51, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

request edit July 23 #1
Hello, I would like to suggest new sources on Project Spammy that are independent of Hormel. Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Delete: In 2014, Hormel Foods announced results of the nutrition research portion of Project SPAMMY.[48]

Add: In 2014, Hormel Foods announced results of the nutrition research portion of Project SPAMMY.

https://www.albertleatribune.com/2014/02/hormel-donates-6-5m-to-fight-hunger/ retrieved July 23, 2018

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 21:45, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * The claim that this was to replace in the article was removed because as a claim, it didn't really say much about the announced results ("Hormel Foods announced results of the nutrition research portion of Project SPAMMY."). I feel that in the end it's just as well that it didn't say anything. The results were that the spreadable SPAM gave "improvements in iron levels, reductions in the number of days of absence due to illness, significant increases of Vitamins D and B12 blood levels and positive correlations between Vitamin D, ferritin and gains in cognitive scores." But these would be the expected results in any person suffering from malnutrition who was given a protein-based product to consume. The fact that it was Hormel's product is not what is noteworthy here. The notable information to takeaway is that the spread obtained federal approval for use in food-aid programs, which still remains as a claim in the article. I'm afraid that including the results from the PDF you supplied may appear as if the company is saying that their product alone is what caused these benefits in nutrition, when any protein based product might be expected to do the same thing. I think its best that the results of the nutrition research portion be left out for that reason.  spintendo   02:06, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

request edit July 23 #2
Hello, I would like to suggest a new source on the Dairy Brand patent that are independent of Hormel. Thank you. Suggested new info: Add: The name Dairy Brand was registered with the U.S. Patent Office in 1903.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:00, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I've tried viewing this in two different browsers but I can't see anything displayed from this link. Do you have another?  spintendo   02:06, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

request edit July 23 #3
Hello, I would like to suggest a rewording that does not replicate some of the early history details and removes the apostrophe from the "1980s". Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Delete (from history): The company was founded as George A. Hormel & Company in Austin by George A. Hormel in 1891. It changed its name to Hormel Foods in 1995.

Add (intro): Hormel Foods Corporation is an American food products company founded 1891 in Austin, Minnesota by George A. Hormel. Originally focusing on the packaging and selling of ham, SPAM, sausage and other pork, chicken, beef and lamb products to consumers, by the 1980s Hormel began offering a wider range of packaged and refrigerated food brands. The company changed its name to Hormel Foods in 1995 and presently serves 80 countries with brands such as Applegate, Columbus Craft Meats, Dinty Moore, Jennie-O and Skippy. In 2018, the company reported annual revenues of 4.6 billion dollars. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:13, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

✅  spintendo   02:06, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

request edit July 28 #1
Hello, I would like to suggest new sources that are independent of Hormel. Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Delete: July 2009, Hormel and Herdez del Fuerte created the joint venture MegaMex Foods to market and distribute Mexican food in the United States.[31] Brands included in the venture include Herdez, La Victoria, Chi Chi's, El Torito, Embasa, Wholly Guacamole, Del Fuerte, Dona Maria, Bufalo, and Don Miguel.[citation needed]

Add: July 2009, Hormel and Herdez del Fuerte created the joint venture MegaMex Foods to market and distribute Mexican food in the United States.[31] [2]Brands included in the venture include Herdez, La Victoria, Chi Chi's, El Torito, Embasa, Wholly Guacamole, Del Fuerte, Dona Maria, Bufalo, and Don Miguel.

https://www.mexgrocer.com/megamex-foods.html Hello-Mary-H (talk) 14:45, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

MexGrocer.com is owned by Herdez del Fuerte, who is Hormel's partner. I don't see how this can be an independent source.  spintendo   00:19, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

request edit July 28 #2
Hello, I would like to suggest new sources that are independent of Hormel. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: In 2011, Hormel Foods announced a 2 for 1 stock split.[33]

Add: In 2011, Hormel Foods announced a 2 for 1 stock split.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/48465/000110465910062154/a10-22705_3pre14a.htm Hello-Mary-H (talk) 14:56, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

✅ The SEC source uses Hormel information, but as I indicated earlier, I did not count SEC as a Hormel source because, while performing the count, I initially took it to be independent due to the name. After I had already counted it in the non Hormel source column, I did not bother to change it back. This has been rectified.  spintendo   00:19, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

request edit July 29 #1
Hello, I would like to suggest a new source that are independent of Hormel. Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Delete: July 2009, Hormel and Herdez del Fuerte created the joint venture MegaMex Foods to market and distribute Mexican food in the United States.[31] Brands included in the venture include Herdez, La Victoria, Chi Chi's, El Torito, Embasa, Wholly Guacamole, Del Fuerte, Dona Maria, Bufalo, and Don Miguel.[citation needed]

Add: July 2009, Hormel and Herdez del Fuerte created the joint venture MegaMex Foods to market and distribute Mexican food in the United States.[31] [2]Brands included in the venture include Herdez, La Victoria, Don Miguel and Wholly Guacamole.

https://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/news/2012/02/01/hormel-megamex-foods-sales-up.html Hello-Mary-H (talk) 14:35, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I would like to suggest new sources that are independent of Hormel. Thank you. Suggested new info: Delate: In 2004, Jeffrey M. Ettinger succeeded Johnson as company president and introduced the Billion Dollar Challenge, setting a goal for the company to generate $1 billion in sales from new products by the end of fiscal year 2009.[17]

Add: In 2004, Jeffrey M. Ettinger succeeded Johnson as company president and introduced the Billion Dollar Challenge, setting a goal for the company to generate $1 billion in sales from new products by the end of fiscal year 2009.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/48465/000110465904015580/a04-6465_18k.htm

http://www.postbulletin.com/austin/news/hormel-achieves-goal-billion-in-sales-for-new-products-since/article_6a178c3d-bef3-5974-9009-472a80b64192.html Hello-Mary-H (talk) 14:48, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Reply 29-JUL-2018

 * 1) ✅ The BizJournals source was added to the article.
 * 2) ❌ The PostBulletin source, which was based on a press release, was not used as a replacement for the previously existing source, itself already a press release. This exchange of one press release for another press release would be inefficient in helping to achieve the article's goal of less company-produced information being used as references.
 * Regards,  spintendo   02:57, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

reply to 2018-July-29 reply
Hello, Spintendo,

Does the source possibly work for the Ettinger text possibly? I was thinking the SEC.gov financial filings were ok to use, please advise.

Thank you for your ongoing help, Hello-Mary-H (talk) 17:48, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

They are perfectly fine to use. Already, five separate claims within the article use that source as a reference. If you'd like to add it to a claim which is currently unreferenced, let me know.  spintendo   17:55, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

request edit Aug 1 #1
Hello, I would like to suggest new sources that are independent of Hormel. Thank you. Suggested new info: Delate: He did so by arranging for more reliable capital management, by dismissing unproductive employees, and by continuing to develop new products,[4]:90–103 reportedly with the mantra “Originate, don't imitate."[10]

Add: He did so by arranging for more reliable capital management, by dismissing unproductive employees, and by continuing to develop new products,[4]:90–103 reportedly with the mantra “Originate, don't imitate."[10]

https://www.meatpoultry.com/articles/1188-hormel-wins-stevie-award-for-innovative-strategies

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 16:50, 1 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I think this reference was placed with this text in error. It does not mention the quote or the subject of capital management.  spintendo   17:13, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit Aug 1 #2
Hello, I would like to suggest new sources that are independent of Hormel. Thank you. Suggested new info: Delate: In 2004, Jeffrey M. Ettinger succeeded Johnson as company president and introduced the Billion Dollar Challenge, setting a goal for the company to generate $1 billion in sales from new products by the end of fiscal year 2009.[17]

Add: In 2004, Jeffrey M. Ettinger succeeded Johnson as company president and introduced the Billion Dollar Challenge, setting a goal for the company to generate $1 billion in sales from new products by the end of fiscal year 2009

https://www.meatpoultry.com/articles/1188-hormel-wins-stevie-award-for-innovative-strategies

https://www.provisioneronline.com/articles/95017-staying-the-course-1 Hello-Mary-H (talk) 17:00, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

✅  spintendo   17:13, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit Aug 1 #3 (with corrected link)
Hello, I would like to suggest a new source that is independent of Hormel. Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Delate: He did so by arranging for more reliable capital management, by dismissing unproductive employees, and by continuing to develop new products,[4]:90–103 reportedly with the mantra “Originate, don't imitate."[10]

Add: He did so by arranging for more reliable capital management, by dismissing unproductive employees, and by continuing to develop new products,[4]:90–103 reportedly with the mantra “Originate, don't imitate."

https://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/stories/2006/06/05/story1.html Hello-Mary-H (talk) 18:01, 1 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I dont have a problem with this reference so much as I do with the text that it's referencing. The text in the Wikipedia article that the claim wishes to alter are words spoken by GA Hormel in I assume the 1930s. At the time the subject, George Hormel was discussing these three items in the claim statement, it was at least 30 years before the current CEO of the company was born. This is problematic when wanting to use a reference which verifies that this semi-quoted information could not have come from the CEO — the person in the interview for the reference you've provided (bizjournals) — because the words spoken in the Wikipedia article were made in the 1930s, before the current CEO was born. For that reason I'm going to go ahead and remove this request.  spintendo   00:58, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit Aug 3 #1
Hello, I would like to suggest a new source on the Dairy Brand patent that is independent of Hormel. I am resubmitting this as it is from the Austin Daily Herald. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: The name Dairy Brand was registered with the U.S. Patent Office in 1903.

Add: The name Dairy Brand was registered with the U.S. Patent Office in 1903.

The Austin Daily Herald. “The Austin Daily Herald Celebrates 125 Years” page 5. https://issuu.com/austindailyherald/docs/austindailyheraldcelebrates125years Published on Nov 2, 2016. Retrieved August 3, 2018 Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:25, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 3 #2
Hello, I would like to suggest a new source that is independent of Hormel. Note Mill on the Willow does source the Austin Daily Herald for some of its material, so I am resubmitting. Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Delete: That same year Richard Knowlton was elected as president,[16] the first Austinian to hold that post since Jay Catherwood Hormel.[17]

Add: That same year Richard Knowlton was elected as president,[16] the first Austinian to hold that post since Jay Catherwood Hormel.

Mill on the Willow: A History of Mower County, Minnesota http://lyle.mn/sites/default/files/Mill%20on%20the%20Willow%20OCR%20reduced%20combined_0.pdf, page 252. published 1984. First retrieved August 3, 2018. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:30, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit Aug 3 #3
Hello, I would like to suggest a new source that is independent of Hormel. Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Delete: The company has been included on the Corporate Responsibility (CR) Magazine 100 Best Corporate Citizens List for the last seven consecutive years.[citation needed]

Add: The company has been included on the Corporate Responsibility (CR) Magazine 100 Best Corporate Citizens List for the last ten consecutive years.

https://m.austindailyherald.com/2018/05/hormel-foods-ranked-in-magazine-list/

http://www.startribune.com/hormel-foods-eight-other-minnesota-companies-make-100-best-corporate-citizens-list/420082453/

https://www.austindailyherald.com/2017/12/hormel-aims-to-continue-evolving-in-the-new-year/

http://stevieawards.com/aba/hormel-foods-corporation

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 00:09, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit Aug 3 #4
Hello, I would like to suggest a new source that is independent of Hormel. I am resubmitting this as it is from the Austin Daily Herald. Thank you.

Suggested new info: Delete: July 2009, Hormel and Herdez del Fuerte created the joint venture MegaMex Foods to market and distribute Mexican food in the United States.[31] Brands included in the venture include Herdez, La Victoria, Chi Chi's, El Torito, Embasa, Wholly Guacamole, Del Fuerte, Dona Maria, Bufalo, and Don Miguel.

Add: July 2009, Hormel and Herdez del Fuerte created the joint venture MegaMex Foods to market and distribute Mexican food in the United States.[31] Brands included in the venture include Herdez, La Victoria, Chi Chi's, El Torito, Embasa, Wholly Guacamole, Del Fuerte, Dona Maria, Bufalo, and Don Miguel.

https://www.reuters.com/article/hormel-herdez/hormel-herdez-del-fuerte-form-u-s-food-venture-idUSN1841226820090619

https://www.austindailyherald.com/2009/06/hormel-rolls-out-plans-for-megamex-foods/ Hello-Mary-H (talk) 00:28, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit Aug 3 #5
Hello, I would like to suggest a new source that is independent of Hormel. Thank you.

Suggested new info: Delete: In 1986, Hormel Foods acquired Jennie-O Foods[17]

Add: In 1986, Hormel Foods acquired Jennie-O Foods

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1988-08-18/business/8801230897_1_hormel-kentucky-fried-chicken-teriyaki Hello-Mary-H (talk) 00:43, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit Aug 3 #6
Hello, I would like to suggest new sources that are independent of Hormel. Thank you.

Suggested new info: Delete: In 2010 MegaMex Foods, a joint venture of Hormel Foods and Herdez del Fuerte, acquired Don Miguel Foods.[33]

Add: In 2010 MegaMex Foods, a joint venture of Hormel Foods and Herdez del Fuerte, acquired Don Miguel Foods.

https://www.excelsior.com.mx/2011/06/07/dinero/742961

https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=878352

https://www.vendingtimes.com/articles/hormel-joint-venture-to-acquire-don-miguel-mexican-3102?iid=765E5B701C3C4822ADF7EF13E4930D9A Hello-Mary-H (talk) 01:35, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Reply 04-AUG-2018

 * 1) ❌ Please see Talk:Hormel Reply number #1 for the prior response to this request.
 * 2) ❌ Please see Talk:Hormel Reply number #5 for the prior response to this request.
 * 3) ✅ This reference was appended to the article.
 * 4) ❌ The Reuters source repeats what was issued in the press release.
 * 5) ✅ This claim was already made and referenced with another independent source and its note. The second instance of the claim which was referenced with a company based source had its note swapped out for the independent note used for the same claim in a different section.
 * 6) ❌ Please see Talk:Hormel Reply #2 for the prior response to this request.
 * Regards,  spintendo   04:34, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Spintendo. I re-requested these items using the Austin Daily Herald sourcing after the input from Jonathunder that the Austin Daily Herald is an ok source and that I should repost my requests. I am pasting the conversation thread below, hope that is a workable step. Thank you:

The Austin Daily Herald is an independent newspaper. Sure it gets a lot of advertising from the the largest companies in the area, including Hormel, and may do features on local history, of which Hormel is a major part, but it isn't a house paper. We can use them. Jonathunder (talk) 18:19, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Jonathunder. If it indeed works to use the Austin Daily Herald edits, what is the best way to proceed? Hello-Mary-H (talk) 00:44, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Can you repost links to the ADH articles you want us to look at? It kind of gets lost when there is so much else. Jonathunder (talk) 21:56, 2 August 2018 (UTC) Hello-Mary-H (talk) 13:51, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Spintendo, can you help me find where the appended link is for #3? Currently, I don't see it, and there's still a "citation needed." Also, Hormel has been on the Top 100 list for 10 years, not 7. Thanks.

Text: "According to Triple Pundit, Hormel Foods began CSR reporting in 2006.[46] The company has been included on the Corporate Responsibility (CR) Magazine 100 Best Corporate Citizens List for the last seven consecutive years.[47][citation needed]"Hello-Mary-H (talk) 14:00, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit Aug 5 #1
Hello, I would like to suggest new sources that are independent of Hormel. Thank you.
 * Request edit #1

Suggested new info: Delete: Jeffrey Ettinger retired as CEO, effective October 30, 2016. Ettinger remained Chairman of the Board. President & COO James Snee assumed the role of CEO effective October 31, 2016.[43]

Add: Jeffrey Ettinger retired as CEO, effective October 30, 2016. Ettinger remained Chairman of the Board. President & COO James Snee assumed the role of CEO effective October 31, 2016.

http://www.startribune.com/ettinger-to-retire-as-hormel-ceo-snee-to-succeed-as-foodmaker-s-transition-plan-kicks-in/392502371/ Hello-Mary-H (talk) 14:32, 5 August 2018 (UTC)


 * request edit August 5, #2

Hello, in the Corporate Responsibility paragraph, I would like to suggest updated text and new independent sources. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: In 2016, the company was named to the Human Rights Campaign's Best Places to Work for LGBT equality.[50]

Add: In 2016-2018, the company was named to the Human Rights Campaign's Best Places to Work for LGBT equality.[50]

https://www.hrc.org/resources/best-places-to-work-2017

https://www.hrc.org/resources/best-places-to-work-2018

http://tcbmag.com/news/articles/2015/report-15-minnesota-companies-get-top-marks-for-lg


 * request edit August 5, #3 

Hello, I would like to suggest a new source. Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Delete: Not-So-Sloppy-Joe Sloppy Joe sauce made its debut in 1985.[4]:183

Add: Not-So-Sloppy-Joe Sloppy Joe sauce made its debut in 1985. [4]:183

https://www.hy-vee.com/grocery/PD2688870/Hormel-Not-So-Sloppy-Joe-Sloppy-Joe-Sauce

Hello, I would like to suggest a new source. Thank you. Suggested new info:
 * Request edit #4

Delete: That same year Knowlton retired and Joel W. Johnson became president and CEO.

Add: That same year Knowlton retired and Joel W. Johnson became president and CEO.

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-12-07/business/fi-1382_1_fresh-meat-products first retrieved August 5, 2018


 * request edit August 5, #5 

Hello, I would like to suggest a new independent media source. Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Delete: The company added to their poultry offerings by purchasing Chicken by George, created by former Miss America Phyllis George, in 1988.

Add: The company added to their poultry offerings by purchasing Chicken by George, created by former Miss America Phyllis George, in 1988.

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-12-07/business/fi-1382_1_fresh-meat-products first retrieved August 5, 2018

Apologies. I can't figure out how to get the edit requests #4 and #5 to be properly labeled. If there is a fix I can do, please advise. Thank you for your patience and help. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 18:31, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Request edit #6

Hello, I would like to suggest a new independent media source. Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Delete: In 1986, Hormel Foods acquired Jennie-O Foods[18]

Add: In 1986, Hormel Foods acquired Jennie-O Foods[18]

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-12-07/business/fi-1382_1_fresh-meat-products first retrieved August 5, 2018

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 18:36, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Mary. I've renumbered them for you, I came up with #6 in total, I hope that's the same number you were thinking of, or close to it. I'll start reviewing them here shortly. Thank you!  spintendo   04:46, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Reply 05-AUG-2018
The following numbers correspond to the edit request numbers under the extended section just above.
 * 1) ✅ Done
 * 2) ✅ Done
 * 3) ❌ The "Customer Cart" page of an online customer order site is not usable as a reference for the article.
 * 4) ✅ Done
 * 5) ✅ Done
 * 6) ❌ This claim is already referenced in the article, per WP:TOOMANYREFS.
 * Regards,  spintendo   05:19, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Request edit 1-8 27-JUL-2018

 * Dairy Brand request edit July 27 #1

Hello, I would like to suggest a new source on the Dairy Brand patent that are independent of Hormel. The source are via screen shot PDF from The Austin Herald. Do I need the publishers explicit written ok to upload? Another way would be to get the Austin Herald publisher's permission so that Issuu (link) is viewable from any browser. Please advise. Thank you.

Suggested new info: Add: The name Dairy Brand was registered with the U.S. Patent Office in 1903.

The Austin Daily Herald. “The Austin Daily Herald Celebrates 125 Years” page 5. https://issuu.com/austindailyherald/docs/austindailyheraldcelebrates125years Published on Nov 2, 2016

PDF Retrieved July 27, 2018

Hello-it&#39;sMary-from-Hormel (talk) 14:55, 27 July 2018 (UTC)


 * request edit July 27 #2 

Hello, I would like to suggest one new source on Project Spammy that is independent of Hormel. Thank you. Suggested new info: Delate: In 2015, SPAMMY became available for purchase under Title I for U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) feeding programs and Title II for U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) programs under the name fortified poultry-based spread (FPBS).[48]

Add: In 2015, SPAMMY became available for purchase under Title I for U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) feeding programs and Title II for U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) programs under the name fortified poultry-based spread (FPBS).[48]

https://books.google.com/books?id=FPLQDQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA187&ots=84XvM1PK8k&dq=2011%20project%20spammy&pg=PA187#v=onepage&q=2011%20project%20spammy&f=false The First 1,000 Days: A Crucial Time for Mothers and Children and the World, Roger Thurow, page 187. PublicAffairs; 1 edition (published May 3, 2016). Retrieved July 27, 2018

Hello-it&#39;sMary-from-Hormel (talk) 15:20, 27 July 2018 (UTC)


 * request edit July 27 #3

Hello, I would like to suggest a new source that is independent of Hormel. Thank you.

Suggested new info: Delate: July 2009, Hormel and Herdez del Fuerte created the joint venture MegaMex Foods to market and distribute Mexican food in the United States.[31] Brands included in the venture include Herdez, La Victoria, Chi Chi's, El Torito, Embasa, Wholly Guacamole, Del Fuerte, Dona Maria, Bufalo, and Don Miguel.[citation needed]

Add: July 2009, Hormel and Herdez del Fuerte created the joint venture MegaMex Foods to market and distribute Mexican food in the United States.[31]  Brands included in the venture include Herdez, La Victoria, Chi Chi's, El Torito, Embasa, Wholly Guacamole, Del Fuerte, Dona Maria, Bufalo, and Don Miguel.

list of brands: https://www.delimarketnews.com/specialty-foods/jeff-frank-hormel-assumes-vice-president-foodservice-marketing-role/geneva-hutcheson/wed-03072018-1110/5636

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/48465/000110465909038973/a09-16345_1ex99.htm

https://www.mexgrocer.com/megamex-foods.html

Hello-it&#39;sMary-from-Hormel (talk) 15:44, 27 July 2018 (UTC)


 * request edit July 27 #4 

Hello, I would like to suggest a new source that is independent of Hormel. Hope that's ok, so that the number of Hormel based references can be lowered. Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Delate: In 1986, Hormel Foods acquired Jennie-O Foods[17]

Add: In 1986, Hormel Foods acquired Jennie-O Foods http://www.inforum.com/content/jennie-o-founder-olson-dead-91 Hello-it&#39;sMary-from-Hormel (talk) 16:13, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I would like to suggest a new source that is independent of Hormel. Thank you.
 * request edit July 27 #5 

Suggested new info:

Delate: That same year Richard Knowlton was elected as president,[16] the first Austinian to hold that post since Jay Catherwood Hormel.[17]

Add: That same year Richard Knowlton was elected as president,[16] the first Austinian to hold that post since Jay Catherwood Hormel.

Mill on the Willow: A History of Mower County, Minnesota http://lyle.mn/sites/default/files/Mill%20on%20the%20Willow%20OCR%20reduced%20combined_0.pdf, page 252. published 1984. First retrieved July 27, 2018. Hello-it&#39;sMary-from-Hormel (talk) 16:20, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I would like to suggest new sources that are independent of Hormel. Thank you.
 * request edit July 27 #6

Suggested new info: Delate: In 2004, Jeffrey M. Ettinger succeeded Johnson as company president and introduced the Billion Dollar Challenge, setting a goal for the company to generate $1 billion in sales from new products by the end of fiscal year 2009.[17]

Add: In 2004, Jeffrey M. Ettinger succeeded Johnson as company president and introduced the Billion Dollar Challenge, setting a goal for the company to generate $1 billion in sales from new products by the end of fiscal year 2009.

https://consumergoods.com/hormel-achieves-2b-new-product-sales

https://www.foodbusinessnews.net/articles/8097-hormel-continues-to-innovate-and-adapt Hello-it&#39;sMary-from-Hormel (talk) 16:31, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I would like to suggest new sources that are independent of Hormel. Thank you.
 * request edit July 27 #7 

Suggested new info:

Delete: The company was named to the Human Resource Campaign Foundation's Best Places to Work for LGBT Equality in November.[38]

Add: The company was named to the Human Resource Campaign Foundation's Best Places to Work for LGBT Equality in November.

https://www.hrc.org/resources/best-places-to-work-2016

http://tcbmag.com/news/articles/2015/report-15-minnesota-companies-get-top-marks-for-lg Hello-it&#39;sMary-from-Hormel (talk) 18:33, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, I would like to suggest new sources that are independent of Hormel. Thank you.
 * request edit July 27 #8 

Suggested new info:

Delete: In 2011, Hormel Foods announced a 2 for 1 stock split.[33]

Add: In 2011, Hormel Foods announced a 2 for 1 stock split.

https://www.twincities.com/2010/12/12/hormel-foods-board-approves-2-for-1-stock-split/ Hello-it&#39;sMary-from-Hormel (talk) 18:39, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Reply 27-JUL-2018
I appreciate the effort that you went into securing these sources. Your requests were misnumbered, as there are only 8 of them, not 9. Lets address them in kind:
 * 1) ❌ The Austin Herald is not independent of the company. Page 1 of their retrospective edition states the following: "With strong support from advertisers - among them Geo A Hormel - which uses the same date to commemorate its birth - the Herald published a 4-page daily from a corner of a room of a store on Austin's main street." This would seem to indicate that the publication is heavily interested in the well-being of its benefactor, which can compromise its position journalistic-ally, as the publication and the interests of Hormel may be conflicted with each other. Thus the reference for the Dairy Brand patent would count as a company reference.
 * 2) ✅ The claim regarding SPAMMY was given the new reference.
 * 3) ❌ Delimarketnews is an industry publication which may not be independent of the subjects it reports upon: "The Website may contain Content specifically provided by us, our partners or our users". As the claim regarding Fuerte is already in the article and referenced by that company, this change in references would not make a difference.
 * 4) ❌ Infoforum is not a news outlet which releases independent reporting, rather, it reprints press releases offered by companies. The information contained in this article is a word for word reprint of the same information offered in Hormel's press release concerning the death of this individual. The Postbulletin reference is not original reporting, but rather, a blurb from a timeline.
 * 5) ❌Mill on the Willow is an important collection of information regarding Mower County, and the publication itself is registered with the Library of Congress. However, its information on Hormel comes largely from the Austin Daily Herald (See Note #1 above).
 * 6) ❌ The claim regarding Ettinger is already in the article sourced by the NYTimes. The other claims regarding business practices and goals are sourced via press releases delivered to Consumergoods.com and Foodbusinessnews.net
 * 7) ✅ The HRC is an independent organization and their claim was added as the reference.
 * 8) ❌ The information on the 2-for-1 stock split is based on a press release from the company ("Hormel Foods Corp. said Tuesday that it has received stockholder approval for a two-for-one stock split.").
 * Regards,  spintendo   20:53, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The Austin Daily Herald is an independent newspaper. Sure it gets a lot of advertising from the the largest companies in the area, including Hormel, and may do features on local history, of which Hormel is a major part, but it isn't a house paper. We can use them. Jonathunder (talk) 18:19, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Jonathunder. If it indeed works to use the Austin Daily Herald edits, what is the best way to proceed? Hello-Mary-H (talk) 00:44, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Can you repost links to the ADH articles you want us to look at? It kind of gets lost when there is so much else. Jonathunder (talk) 21:56, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your input Jonathunder, it's much appreciated. There is no issue here with using the Austin Daily Herald as a source. It has been, and continues to be, suitable for inclusion in the article. When Mary and I are talking about ADH being used or substituted for another source, it's purely in relation to how the sources are tabulated in a chart which I drew up, which you can see at the top of this page under the collapsible "ToDo-List". That list is being used by Mary and myself to try and keep track of which sources are company based and which ones are independent, and the list has no bearing on what is or isn't allowed in the article. I created the table in response to Mary's query wondering if there was a better way to list these numbers, and it's being used here simply to give us a better look at all of the references in the article. The ADH source is already used elsewhere in the article, so when I use the red X in the entry above it's merely to communicate that adding ADH as a reference in that location would not lower the number of Hormel-associated sources, but would increase them, because ADH considers itself to be closely associated with Hormel. Thank you!  spintendo   07:27, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 10, #1
Hello, I would like to suggest updated text and a new independent media source. Thank you. I apologize, Spintendo, that I placed this request in the archive. I am unsure how to undo that, so am placing the info here. If I can do a fix, please advise and thanks for your ongoing help.

Suggested new info:

Delete: The company also announced James P. Snee was elected to the position of president and chief operating officer in October 2015.[38]

Add: In 2015, James P. Snee became president and chief operating officer.

http://www.startribune.com/hormel-s-profit-growth-exceeds-expectations-sets-optimistic-targets-for-2016/353160941/ Hello-Mary-H (talk) 21:07, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Mary. I fixed the archive page request and I'll add the StarTribune reference to cover the above sentence. Thank you!  spintendo   22:06, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 10, #2
Hello, for the animal welfare paragraph, would it work to update the text to include a comment from the (paid) livestock expert Temple Grandin? Let me know if I can/should provide other links or format the request differently. Thank you.

Suggested text: “Dr. Temple Grandin is a Colorado State University professor, author of the book, Improving Animal Welfare: A Practical Approach (2nd Edition, July 2015), Colorado State University, ISBN: 978-1-78064-467-7, and an autism spokesperson. She is a livestock industry proponent of non-reversal movement, nonslip flooring and circular corrals. Grandin’s writing on the Behavioral Principles of Livestock Handling was published in 1999 by Professional Animal Scientist, a science based, peer reviewed publication for the American Registry of Professional Animal Scientists. Grandin is also a paid consultant to the livestock industry on animal behavior. When she toured Hormel’s new Austin, Minnesota hog holding facility in 2010, Grandin reportedly had been working with Hormel for ten years.”

http://www.nationalhogfarmer.com/behavior-welfare/animal-welfare-expert-lauds-hormel-foods-0722

http://www.grandin.com/professional.resume.html

https://www.apbspeakers.com/speaker/temple-grandin

https://www.ted.com/speakers/temple_grandin


 * request edit August 10, #3

Hello, I wanted to check in with Spintendo and Jonathunder about the Austin Daily Herald. One of you says ADH is ok to use. May I then repost my earlier requests using ADH as a source? Getting those on the WP would also possibly change the independent source chart. Thank you.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:40, 10 August 2018 (UTC)


 * These are ok to use, and you are using them. If you have more sources from ADH that you'd like to use, then feel free to post them here on the talk page. Please be aware, as Im sure you already are, that ADH by its own account is closely related to the company. As a source, ADH is clearly  not  independent of Hormel, and thus the information they report on hormel would fall under a COI. The source counts as one "closely connected to the company," and increasing the use of ADH as a source in the article will not lessen the need for the article's maintenance template covering the use of sources "too closely connected to the article's subject".  spintendo   04:52, 12 August 2018 (UTC)


 * request edit August 10, #4

Hello, I would like to suggest a new source that is independent of Hormel. Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Delete: That same year Richard Knowlton was elected as president,[16] the first Austinian to hold that post since Jay Catherwood Hormel.[17]

Add: When Richard Knowlton was elected as president,[16] he became the first Austinian to hold that post since Jay Catherwood Hormel.

“Hormel Boss Threatens Move.” Argus-Leader (Sioux Falls, South Dakota. Published April 30, 1985. First retrieved August 10, 2018) https://www.newspapers.com/image/239708980/?terms=Richard%2BKnowlton%2Bhormel%2Baustin Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:28, 10 August 2018 (UTC)


 * request edit August 10, #5

Hello, I would like to suggest a new source on the Dairy Brand patent. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: The name Dairy Brand was registered with the U.S. Patent Office in 1903.

Add: The name Dairy Brand   was registered with the U.S. Patent Office in 1903.

Common stock shares listing, September 24, 1929. Star Tribune (Minneapolis, Minnesota). First retrieved August 10. 2018. https://www.newspapers.com/image/180428746/?terms=dairy%2Bbrand%2Bpatent%2Bhormel

“Hormel’s Provisions” Mower County Transcript. June 28, 1905. First retrieved August 10. 2018. https://www.newspapers.com/image/171411127/?terms=dairy%2Bbrand%2Bpatent%2Bhormel Hello-Mary-H (talk) 00:10, 11 August 2018 (UTC)


 * request edit August 11, #1

Hello, I would like to suggest a new source for some early Hormel history. Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Delete: George A. Hormel (born 1860 in Buffalo, New York) worked in a Chicago slaughterhouse before becoming a traveling wool and hide buyer. His travels took him to Austin and he decided to settle there, borrow $500, and open a meat business. Hormel handled the production side of the business and his partner, Albert Friedrich, handled the retail side. The two dissolved their partnership in 1891 so that Hormel could start a complete meat packing operation on his own. [4]:5–7

Add: George A. Hormel (born 1860 in Buffalo, New York) worked in a Chicago slaughterhouse before becoming a traveling wool and hide buyer. His travels took him to Austin and he decided to settle there, borrow $500, and open a meat business. Hormel handled the production side of the business and his partner, Albert Friedrich, handled the retail side. The two dissolved their partnership in 1891 so that Hormel could start a complete meat packing operation on his own.

“G.A. Hormel, Meat Packing Founder, Dies.” Wisconsin State Journal (Madison, Wisconsic. Published June 6, 1946. First retrieved August 11, 2018) https://www.newspapers.com/image/396786454/?terms=george%2Bhormel%2B1860%2Bbuffalo%2Bnew%2Byork Hello-Mary-H (talk) 17:38, 11 August 2018 (UTC)


 * request edit August 11, #2

Hello, I would like to suggest new sources that show the early company history and business relationship between George Hormel and Albert Friedrich. Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Delete: Hormel handled the production side of the business and his partner, Albert Friedrich, handled the retail side. The two dissolved their partnership in 1891 so that Hormel could start a complete meat packing operation on his own. [4]:5–7

Add: Hormel handled the production side of the business and his partner, Albert Friedrich, handled the retail side. The two dissolved their partnership in 1891 so that Hormel could start a complete meat packing operation on his own.

Mower Country Transcript newspaper. (Lansing, Minnesota. Published June 11, 1890. First retrieved August 11, 2018) https://www.newspapers.com/image/161569078/?terms=albert%2Bfriedrich%2Bgeorge%2Bhormel

Ad from Mower Country Transcript newspaper. (Lansing, Minnesota. Published July 9, 1890. First retrieved August 11, 2018). https://www.newspapers.com/image/161569804/?terms=albert%2Bfriedrich%2Bgeorge%2Bhormel

News of dissolution of partnership. Mower Country Transcript newspaper. (Lansing, Minnesota. Published October 7, 1891. First retrieved August 11, 2018). https://www.newspapers.com/image/171416688/?terms=albert%2Bfriedrich%2Bgeorge%2Bhormel Hello-Mary-H (talk) 18:03, 11 August 2018 (UTC)


 * request edit August 11, #3

Hello, I would like to suggest a new source that show the early company history. Thank you.

Suggested new info: Delete: George turned to full-time management in 1899, and focused on increasing production. [4]:24–38

Add: George turned to full-time management in 1899, and focused on increasing production.

Mower Country Transcript newspaper. (Lansing, Minnesota. Published August 23, 1899. First retrieved August 11, 2018) https://www.newspapers.com/image/171412784/?terms=geo%2Bhormel%2Beggs Hello-Mary-H (talk) 19:01, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Reply 11-AUG-2018
Many of these sources appear to be usable at first glance. At the moment, these references have been provided as plain URL's with minimal appurtenant information added in the citation. The Hormel article uses a specific citation template for its references. I would ask that when making a request for references to be added, that the COI editor place these sources in the correct Wiki Markup-formatted text, taking care to use the same citation templates that the article uses. Thank you!  spintendo   05:21, 12 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I just wanted to make clear why I was asking you to fill out the citation template's information. The link you've provided is to information which exists behind a Lock-red-alt.svg paywall which I cannot access, so there is no information for me to fill out for the template. The only way to add the reference would be as a bare link, which brings the issue mentioned in my previous post above into play. I need for the COI editor to fill this information out.  spintendo   10:42, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 12, #1
Hello, I would like to suggest a slight edit on text as well as a new source. I made an effort at the proper formatting and template this time. Thank you.

Suggested new info: Delete: That same year Richard Knowlton was elected as president,[16] the first Austinian to hold that post since Jay Catherwood Hormel.[17]

Add: When Richard Knowlton was elected as president,[16] he became the first Austinian to hold that post since Jay Catherwood Hormel.

Jeff Baenen (Apr 30, 1985). “Hormel Boss Threatens Move”. Argus-Leader. Retrieved Aug 12, 2018. https://www.newspapers.com/image/239708980/?terms=Richard%2BKnowlton%2Bhormel%2Baustin

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 14:07, 12 August 2018 (UTC)


 * request edit August 12, #2

Hello, I would like to suggest a new independent source. Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Delete: George A. Hormel (born 1860 in Buffalo, New York) worked in a Chicago slaughterhouse before becoming a traveling wool and hide buyer. His travels took him to Austin and he decided to settle there, borrow $500, and open a meat business. Hormel handled the production side of the business and his partner, Albert Friedrich, handled the retail side. The two dissolved their partnership in 1891 so that Hormel could start a complete meat packing operation on his own. [4]:5–7

Add: George A. Hormel (born 1860  in Buffalo, New York) worked in a Chicago slaughterhouse before becoming a traveling wool and hide buyer. His travels took him to Austin and he decided to settle there, borrow $500, and open a meat business. Hormel handled the production side of the business and his partner, Albert Friedrich, handled the retail side. The two dissolved their partnership in 1891 so that Hormel could start a complete meat packing operation on his own.

(Jun 6, 1946). “G.A. Hormel, Meat Packing Founder, Dies”. Wisconsin State Journal. Retrieved Aug 12, 2018.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 14:20, 12 August 2018 (UTC)


 * request edit August 12, #3

Hello, I would like to suggest new sources on the Dairy Brand patent. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: The name Dairy Brand was registered with the U.S. Patent Office in 1903.

Add: The name Dairy Brand    was registered with the U.S. Patent Office in 1903.

(Sept 24, 1929). “Common stock shares listing”, Star Tribune. Retrieved Aug 12, 2018. https://www.newspapers.com/image/180428746/?terms=dairy%2Bbrand%2Bpatent%2Bhormel

(Jun 28, 1905). “Hormel’s Provisions”. Mower County Transcript. Retrieved August 12, 2018. https://www.newspapers.com/image/171411127/?terms=dairy%2Bbrand%2Bpatent%2Bhormel Hello-Mary-H (talk) 14:34, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Reply 12-AUG-2018

 * Certain parameters are missing from the templates, such as author, title of publication, date of publication, etc. You've placed these in the request, but if you could place them in the template, that is where they are needed.
 * The quote parameter should also be utilized in order to insert the verbatim text from the source into the citation, since the information is behind a paywall, having it quoted in the citation template would be helpful. Thank you!  spintendo   18:14, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 12, #4
Hello, I would like to suggest a new source. I hope I updated the info correctly in the template, please advise and thank you for your patience.

Suggested new info:

Delete: George A. Hormel (born 1860 in Buffalo, New York) worked in a Chicago slaughterhouse before becoming a traveling wool and hide buyer. His travels took him to Austin and he decided to settle there, borrow $500, and open a meat business. Hormel handled the production side of the business and his partner, Albert Friedrich, handled the retail side. The two dissolved their partnership in 1891 so that Hormel could start a complete meat packing operation on his own. [4]:5–7 Add: George A. Hormel (born 1860 in Buffalo, New York)  worked in a Chicago slaughterhouse before becoming a traveling wool and hide buyer. His travels took him to Austin and he decided to settle there, borrow $500, and open a meat business. Hormel handled the production side of the business and his partner, Albert Friedrich, handled the retail side. The two dissolved their partnership in 1891 so that Hormel could start a complete meat packing operation on his own.

(Jun 6, 1946). “G.A. Hormel, Meat Packing Founder, Dies”. Wisconsin State Journal. Retrieved Aug 12, 2018. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:06, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

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This source only confirms the the birth in Buffalo and the 500 dollar investment, but other elements in the sentence, such as working in a Chicago slaughterhouse or being a travelling wool and hide buyer, are not.  spintendo   10:49, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 12, #5
Hello, I would like to suggest a new source. Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Delete: That same year Richard Knowlton was elected as president,[16] the first Austinian to hold that post since Jay Catherwood Hormel.[17] Add: When Richard Knowlton was elected as president,[16] he became the first Austinian to hold that post since Jay Catherwood Hormel.

Jeff Baenen (Apr 30, 1985). “Hormel Boss Threatens Move”. Argus-Leader. Retrieved Aug 12, 2018. https://www.newspapers.com/image/239708980/?terms=Richard%2BKnowlton%2Bhormel%2Baustin

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:45, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

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This only confirms that Knowlton worked summers at a Hormel plant, and says nothing about being elected president.  spintendo   10:49, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 12, #6
Hello, I would like to suggest a new source that show the early company history. Thank you.

Suggested new info: Delete: George turned to full-time management in 1899, and focused on increasing production. [4]:24–38

Add: George turned to full-time management in 1899, and focused on increasing production.

Mower Country Transcript newspaper. (Lansing, Minnesota. Published Aug. 23, 1899. First retrieved Aug 12, 2018) https://www.newspapers.com/image/171412784/?terms=geo%2Bhormel%2Beggs Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:09, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

 spintendo   10:49, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 16, #1
Hello, I would like to suggest a new source. Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Delete: That same year Richard Knowlton was elected as president,[16] the first Austinian to hold that post since Jay Catherwood Hormel.[17]

Add: When Richard Knowlton was elected as president,[16] he became the first Austinian to hold that post since Jay Catherwood Hormel.

Jeff Baenen (Apr 30, 1985). “Hormel Boss Threatens Move”. Argus-Leader. Retrieved Aug 16, 2018. https://www.newspapers.com/image/239708980/?terms=Richard%2BKnowlton%2Bhormel%2Baustin Hello-Mary-H (talk) 00:21, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

✅ Ill add this new reference, but I'm not deleting the other reference because the newer one says nothing about Jay Catherwood Hormel.  spintendo   03:16, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 17, #1
Hello, I would like to suggest new sources. Thanks.

Suggested new info:

Delete: George A. Hormel (born 1860 in Buffalo, New York) worked in a Chicago slaughterhouse before becoming a traveling wool and hide buyer. His travels took him to Austin and he decided to settle there, borrow $500, and open a meat business. Add: George A. Hormel (born 1860 in Buffalo, New York) worked in a Chicago slaughterhouse before becoming a traveling wool and hide buyer  . His travels took him to Austin and he decided to settle there, borrow $500, and open a meat business.

(Jun 6, 1946). “G.A. Hormel, Meat Packing Founder, Dies”. Wisconsin State Journal. Retrieved Aug 12, 2018. (Jun 6, 1946). "All Austin to Honor George A. Hormel During Rites Saturday." The Minneapolis Star. Retrieved Aug 17, 2018 (Jun 5, 1946). "George Hormel, 85, Packing Firm Founder, Dies". Chicago Tribune. Retrieved Aug 17, 2018 Hello-Mary-H (talk) 21:20, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

✅  spintendo   22:59, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

request edit August 23, #1
Hello, I would like to suggest deleting duplicated copy in the article. Thanks.

Suggested new info:

Delete: George A. Hormel (born 1860 in Buffalo, New York) worked in a Chicago slaughterhouse before becoming a traveling wool and hide buyer. George A. Hormel (born 1860 in Buffalo, New York) worked in a Chicago slaughterhouse before becoming a traveling wool and hide buyer. Add: George A. Hormel (born 1860 in Buffalo, New York) worked in a Chicago slaughterhouse before becoming a traveling wool and hide buyer. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 16:26, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

✅ That was my error, I'm sorry about that. Thank you for catching it!  spintendo   16:48, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

No problem, making mistakes is human. Thank you for the fix! Hello-Mary-H (talk) 17:46, 23 August 2018 (UTC)