Talk:Hormel Foods/Archive 7

request edit April 23, #1
Hello, wondering if we can update the logo to improve the article quality. The current logo being used is warped and the colors are not quite right.

Hormel has made their Company Logos available for download, so a good replacement would be to use the one found here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hormel-Foods_logo.pdf Thank you.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 21:19, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Reply 23-APR-2019
Hi Mary. I agree that the newer version is much better, unfortunately, the image has the following tag added to it: To resolve this issue, the following decision tree should be taken: Personally I think your best bet would be to skip to step number 2. In either event, the file will need to be uploaded in a more suitable container. PDF's are not used for images; PNG or SVG are preferred. Regards, Spintendo  22:38, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The uploader did not provide sufficient information (a valid and suitable tag) on this media's copyright status. Unless the copyright status is provided, the file could be deleted seven days after the upload (23 April 2019). Please note that Commons does not accept files claimed under fair use.
 * 1) Does the file meet the threshold for originality ? The image appears to be simply letters and shapes, so the file may not meet the criteria for originality, in which case it should be uploaded to the Commons with that type of license.
 * 2) If it meets the threshold for originality, can it be uploaded under the fair use exemption ? If this is the case, then the file should be uploaded to Wikipedia (not Wikimedia Commons) and given a fair use license. If uploaded under fair use, the file will need to be drastically reduced in size (to less than 250x150px, for example).

Thank you and let me do some work on this. Appreciate your response and hard work, as always! Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:47, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. As I stated above, I think your best bet would be to do #2. Converting the PDF to an SVG (using a raster-to-vector program) even though its a reduced size, the SVG generated by it is superior in quality to any other type of file. For example, take a look at the logo for American Airlines. Even though that file is only 300 × 46 (25 KB)	in size, you can see how large the image ultimately is, with a crystal clear quality. Incidentally, the American Airlines logo was uploaded to Wikipedia under a fair use exemption, which is step #2 I described above. Regards, Spintendo  23:02, 23 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Here is the logo file in 300 x 46, does that work?
 * HORMEL FOODS-logo.svg Thank you.
 * Hello-Mary-H (talk) 18:19, 24 April 2019 (UTC)


 * The file looks good, however, the license uploaded with this file is incorrect. That license is currently stating that the logo is your own work, which it isn't. By "own work" what it means is the development of the logo, which invariably took place at Hormel years ago, and did not involve yourself. The license which should be used is a fair use exemption. To upload the file with the correct license, follow the steps below:
 * Upload the file here on Wikipedia using the File Upload Wizard.
 * The system will ask if the image is copyrighted, if you own the copyright for the file, and if it is a logo. Choose copyrighted, and select the choice that states you do not own the copyright, and that yes, it is a logo.
 * One the file has been uploaded, you'll need to edit the file's page, and make sure that the following is entered in the categories exactly as worded here (excluding the bolded headings which should already be placed there):

Description: This is the logo for Hormel Foods.

Author: Hormel Foods

Source: https://www.hormelfoods.com

Article: Hormel

Purpose: The image is placed in the infobox at the top of the article discussing Hormel, a subject of public interest. The significance of the logo is to help the reader identify the organization, assure the readers that they have reached the right article containing critical commentary about the organization, and illustrate the organization's intended branding message in a way that words alone could not convey.

Minimality This is an SVG vector image of a registered trademark or a copyright-protected logo, seal or computer icon. This image should not be rendered any larger than is required for the purposes of identification and/or critical commentary. The default rendering of this image is of a size and resolution sufficient to maintain the quality intended by the company or organization, without being unnecessarily high resolution.

Commercial: This image does not limit the copyright holder's ability to profit from the original source, nor will it dilute the importance or recognition of the logo in connection with its organization.

Replaceability: Because it is a non-free logo, there is almost certainly no free representation. Any substitute that is not a derivative work would fail to convey the meaning intended, would tarnish or misrepresent its image, or would fail its purpose of identification or commentary.

Other information: Use of the logo in the article complies with Wikipedia non-free content policy, logo guidelines, and fair use under United States copyright law as described above.


 * Make sure you choose "preview" to ensure that you are entering the information on the correct lines.
 * Save the file.
 * Because it's not going to be used, the logo uploaded to Commons needs to be nominated for deletion. To do this, nominate the file directly by going to the media description page for that file and clicking on Nominate for deletion in the Tools menu on the left.
 * Return to this talk page with the new file name that you just uploaded here on Wikipedia so that I can add it to the article.
 * Regards, Spintendo  07:05, 25 April 2019 (UTC)


 * This is awesome help, much appreciated. Issue I'm having is I'm not sure what to do to save or get you the new logo. My work is saved here I think https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Hormel_Foods_logo.svg&action=edit&section=1 -- if you can tell me what I'm doing wrong or the next best step possibly. Thanks. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:12, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The only sections you have left to fill in are:
 * Author
 * WP:NFCC (listed as Replaceability, or "Not replaceable with free media...")
 * WP:NFCC (listed as Commercial, or "Respect for commercial opportunities")
 * WP:NFCC (listed as Purpose, or "Purpose of use in article")
 * Create a new line that says Other information and enter that from the list.
 * Then click to make sure it looks right, then click .  Regards,  Spintendo  03:08, 26 April 2019 (UTC)


 * OK, looks like I completed it. Thank you. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 15:58, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I've added the image, but I've noticed that the file's whitespace on either side of the logo is very wide. As you can see in the pic of the file above, there is a lot of white space on either side of the logo, such that the box surrounding it is a long rectange. I had to use  markup in order to get it to fit right in the infobox. It's not really a pressing issue, just more of an annoyance — but you might want to fix that at some time in the future. You just need to click "Upload a new version" on the file's page. Usually the svg format eliminates all of the whitespace around a logo, so I'm not sure what happened here. Also remember to nominate the Commons version of this logo for deletion. thanks Spintendo  22:03, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks again. I'll see if I can get a fixed logo. I agree that the current version is off/annoying. The Commons version has already been deleted. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:19, 26 April 2019 (UTC)


 * I uploaded a new file however it looked warped and way off, not a good replacement for the current version. So I am not sure how to remedy. Thank you. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:59, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Edit request #1, May 2, 2019
Hello, I uploaded a new file however it looked warped and way off, not a good replacement for the current version. So I am not sure how to remedy. Is it possible that the container being used makes the visual not work correctly? Any help appreciated. Thank you.

Suggested new info:

Add:

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 21:51, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

request edit July 8, 2019, #1
Hello, wondering if we can delete Muscle Milk as it is no longer a Hormel brand. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: Muscle Milk in the “Brands” box listing on the far right of the page. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 13:52, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Reply 08-JUL-2019
Spintendo 15:01, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

request edit September 23, #1
Hello, wondering if the image currently on the page labeled Strike at Hormel Packing Plant, Austin, 1933 is appropriate for fair-use and free usage on Wikipedia. Thank you. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 21:46, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Reply 23-SEP-2019

 * Questions over fair-use legitimacy may be posed at files for discussion, where informed editors over there may assist you better than I can in that subject. Regards, Spintendo  05:07, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

request edit September 23, #2
Hello, in the 2010–present Corporate Responsibility paragraph, I would like to suggest updated text and new independent sources. Thank you.

Suggested new info: Delete: In 2016, 2017 and 2018, the company was named to the Human Rights Campaign's Best Places to Work for LGBT equality.[51]

Add: Since 2016, the company was named to the Human Rights Campaign's Best Places to Work for LGBT equality for each consecutive year.

https://www.chowhound.com/food-news/230616/2019-best-and-worst-companies-for-lgbt-rights-and-protections/

https://www.hrc.org/resources/best-places-to-work-2017 https://www.hrc.org/resources/best-places-to-work-2018

https://assets2.hrc.org/files/assets/resources/CEI-2019-FullReport.pdf?_ga=2.180780775.1198793162.1569275368-1767889406.1569275368

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:00, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Reply 23-SEP-2019
Spintendo 05:07, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Request edit Sept 24, 2019, #1
Hello, for the infobox I would like to suggest some possible changes, based on the statement that “As of July 28, 2019, the Company had approximately 18,700 employees worldwide” from a 10-K annual report SEC filing by Hormel. Thank you.

Suggested new link: Delete: Number of employees	20,000 (2018)[3]

Add: Employees 18,700

http://www.snl.com/Cache/c399450492.html

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 19:17, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Reply 24-SEP-2019
Spintendo 20:41, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

request edit Sept 24 #2
Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes. Can we please delete:

The line was developed in concert with three parties, as "Hormel brought food formulation, packaging and shelf stability knowledge, (chef de cuisine) Ron DeSantis brought taste and texture expertise, and the Cancer Nutrition Consortium offered the nutritional framework."[45]

Add suggested text: The line was developed in concert with three parties, as "Hormel brought food formulation, packaging and shelf stability knowledge, (chef de cuisine) Ron DeSantis brought taste and texture expertise, and the Cancer Nutrition Consortium offered the nutritional framework"[45] with input from nutritionists Dr. Stacey Bell and Kathy McManus.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/health-wellness/2013/12/02/new-nutrition-group-offers-dietary-help-cancer-patients/dyTOo8ICzthcIgOYmUrwLL/story.html

https://www.cancernutrition.org/board/dr-stacey-bell/

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 21:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)


 * The problem with this claim is that while the Weintraub Boston Globe source does mention Bell and MaManus as being part of the Cancer Nutrition Consortium (CNC)'s board, that same source does not say that those two members of the board are the ones who provided input on CNC's nutritional framework delivered to Hormel for the development of the Hormel products. The Chicago Tribune source currently used in the article likewise doesn't state their involvement. Dr. Bell's info page at CNC does not mention her work with Hormel. To suppose that these two individuals had involvement merely because they were members of CNC's board would constitute WP:SYNTH. What we need is a company provided source which clearly states that they provided a "nutritional framework" for these products. Regards, Spintendo  23:18, 24 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you Spintendo. I wonder, does this https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/results-of-first-of-its-kind-cancer-nutrition-research-project-to-be-released-232506631.html press release cover the nutritional framework? Perhaps the "nutritional framework" would need to be stated differently. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 21:35, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

request edit Sept 25, #1
Is it possible to add a red link for Cancer Nutrition Consortium for a new article to be created since it is notable and verifiable? Thank you.

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/mayo-clinic-radio-cancer-nutrition-consortium/

https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/health-wellness/2013/12/02/new-nutrition-group-offers-dietary-help-cancer-patients/dyTOo8ICzthcIgOYmUrwLL/story.html

http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/sSrhtFb3M0h/Cancer+Nutrition+Consortium+Celebrates+Launch

https://www.fooddive.com/news/hormel-takes-cue-from-nestle-with-new-medical-foods-line/418505/

https://www.cancernutrition.org/research/

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:17, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * HI Mary, I can add a redlink, but I'm not sure that CNC would meet WP:ORGCRITE based on the material supplied here. More material meeting those requirements would have to be found for the article to be created. Regards, Spintendo  04:53, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Oct 30 request edit #1
Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes. Note I have included new company sources that hopefully show nutritional expertise.

Can we please delete:

The line was developed in concert with three parties, as "Hormel brought food formulation, packaging and shelf stability knowledge, (chef de cuisine) Ron DeSantis brought taste and texture expertise, and the Cancer Nutrition Consortium offered the nutritional framework."[45]

Add suggested text: The line was developed in concert with three parties, as "Hormel brought food formulation, packaging and shelf stability knowledge, (chef de cuisine) Ron DeSantis brought taste and texture expertise, and the Cancer Nutrition Consortium offered the nutritional framework"[45] with input from nutritionists Dr. Stacey Bell and Kathy McManus.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/results-of-first-of-its-kind-cancer-nutrition-research-project-to-be-released-232506631.html https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/health-wellness/2013/12/02/new-nutrition-group-offers-dietary-help-cancer-patients/dyTOo8ICzthcIgOYmUrwLL/story.html

https://www.cancernutrition.org/board/dr-stacey-bell/

https://www.cancernutrition.org/board/katherine-mcmanus-m-s-r-d-l-d-n/ Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:10, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Hormel page Oct 30 #2

Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes. Can we please add:

In June 2019, the company announced the product launch of a vegan pizza topping for foodservice customers and in September 2019, launched a vegan, soy-based, non-GMO ground meat substitute called Happy Little Plants for foodservice and retail customers.

https://www.happylittleplants.com/

https://www.convenience.org/Media/Daily/2019/Sept/6/4-Kellogg-Hormel-Start-Plant-Product_Marketing https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/10/hormel-ceo-plant-based-meat-line-went-to-market-in-just-two-months.html https://www.livekindly.co/hormel-vegan-meat-happy-little-plants/

https://www.foodbusinessnews.net/articles/14443-hormel-enters-meat-alternative-market-with-happy-little-plants

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:49, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes. Can we please add:

In April 2019, together with Harvard University Dining Services, the company hosted the first ever Small Change Big Impact Food Summit at Harvard University, where ideas were offered to improve the future of food.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/food-dining/2019/04/08/tackling-tough-topics-small-change-big-impact-food-summit-harvard/BKOSKGwyhdOmqCaHPpDNmM/story.html

https://www.triplepundit.com/story/2019/7-insider-predictions-about-future-food/83156/

https://foodforfree.org/what-were-up-to-summer-2019-edition/

https://www.theshelbyreport.com/2019/04/04/hormel-hosts-food-summit/

http://thefoodimpactsummit.com/summit-2019/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielknoebel/2019/04/15/hormel-harvard-team-up-to-change-minds-about-big-food/#6aea0812607c

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 00:03, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Reply 30-OCT-2019
Regards, Spintendo  00:57, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) ❌ Regarding the Cancer Nutrition Consortium information, I'll reiterate my original objections to adding these two names to the article. The Weintraub Boston Globe source does mention Bell and MaManus as being part of the Cancer Nutrition Consortium (CNC)'s board, but that same source does not state that those two members of the board are the ones who provided input on CNC's nutritional framework delivered to Hormel for the development of the Hormel products. The Chicago Tribune source currently used in the article likewise doesn't state their involvement. Dr. Bell's info page at CNC does not mention her work with Hormel. The Cision source mentions Kathy McManus, but does not state her involvement in the development of these products. To suppose that these two individuals had involvement merely because they were members of CNC's board would constitute WP:SYNTH. What we need is a company provided source which clearly states that they provided a "nutritional framework" for these products.
 * 2) ❌ The second request is not referenced by reliable, independent secondary sources.
 * 3) ✅ The third request was added to the article, as it was referenced by the Boston Globe.

Edit request Oct 31 #1
Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes. Can we please add:

In June 2019, the company announced the product launch of a vegan pizza topping for foodservice customers and in September 2019, launched a vegan, soy-based, non-GMO ground meat substitute called Happy Little Plants for foodservice and retail customers.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 16:26, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Daily Mail and other sources are not considered reliable for use on Wikipedia. Please also avoid citing trade publications and articles based on company press releases. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:30, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree with . The only two independent reliable sources are CBS News and CNBC, but in this case they would both be considered as company-related, as the CBS News source is based on a Hormel press release while CNBC is an interview with the CEO. The article's percentage of sources originating from Hormel (calculated under the To-do list shown at the top of this talk page) currently hovers at just under 40% (with the number of ref tags linked to Hormel at 42%). Using these two sources would not improve those figures. Regards, Spintendo  01:44, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * That said, I do think that it's worthwhile to mention (briefly) Hormel's foray into vegan food products, but only if this are given coverage that is clearly independent. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:40, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you and, I will reformat the request to see if two new sources work for this. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 20:16, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Edit request Nov 5 #1
Hello, I would like to suggest some possible changes. Can we please add:

In September 2019, the company launched a vegan, soy-based, non-GMO ground meat substitute called Happy Little Plants for foodservice and retail customers.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 20:49, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Reply 5-NOV-2019
Regards, Spintendo  03:00, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The claim from the New York Times may be used, but only saying that Hormel introduced a vegetarian meat alternative product, as that is what the only line mentioning Hormel says. The claims that it is GMO-free and soy based are not found within the NYTimes piece. Yahoo is not an acceptable reference.

request edit November 26, #1
Hello, looking to update article. Thank you. Suggested new info: Add: Hormel acquired the nut butter producer Justin's for reportedly $286M on May 18, 2016.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 18:08, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi Mary, the reference that you're proposing to use here is Crunchbase, but the use of that site as a source in articles is deprecated, owing to this RfC held in February of this year. Do you have any other sources that may be used? Please advise. Thank you! Regards, Spintendo  19:11, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

request edit November 26, #2
Hello, looking to update article. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Add: Hormel acquired the nut butter producer Justin’s for 280M on May 26, 2016.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 21:08, 26 November 2019 (UTC)


 * ✅ Regards, Spintendo  00:52, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

request edit December 26, #1
Hello, wondering if we can update the article. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: Number of employees	18,700 (2019)[4] Add: Number of employees	20,000 (2019) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hello-Mary-H (talk • contribs) 20:24, 26 December 2019 (UTC)


 * This is an odd source to use for that figure. Even though it's a news publication, the story is not about Hormel's employees — but rather — one employee. Aren't there company related sources we can use? If you're wary of adding another company source to an article that is already top heavy with them, it wouldn't make a difference because that source would replace the one being used now. Please advise. Also remember to sign all talk page posts using four tildes. Thank you! Regards, Spintendo  20:39, 26 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the reminder, I am not sure what happened with my signature on the last one. Do either of these sources possibly work instead? https://krocnews.com/hormel-employees-share-in-the-profits/ https://www.hormelfoods.com/ask-and-answer/how-many-people-work-for-hormel-foods/ Thanks again. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 20:42, 26 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Hello-Mary-H (talk) 20:24, 26 December 2019 (UTC)


 * ✅ Spintendo  21:13, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

request edit December 28, #1
Hello, wondering if we can update the article. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: Total assets US$ 8.142 billion (2018) Add: Total assets US$ 8.10 billion (2019)

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 19:14, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

✅ Spintendo  19:25, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

request edit December 28, #3
Hello, wondering if we can update the article. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: Net income US$ 4.661 billion (2018)[3] Add: US$ 9.49 billion (2019) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hello-Mary-H (talk • contribs) 21:23, 28 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Earlier you had stated that Net Sales was to be placed under the revenue parameter. Now you've asked for a net sales figure to be placed under net income. Please clarify. Regards, Spintendo  23:36, 28 December 2019 (UTC)


 * does it make sense to just remove the net income parameter with that in mind? Thank you. Also, when looking at both the Campbell Soup Company and Smithfield Foods pages for reference, it shows these parameters: revenue, operating income, net income, total assets and total equity. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 17:52, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ Please note that in my reply dated December 14, 2019, I already mentioned each of those parameters. Spintendo  18:34, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

request edit December 29, #1
Hello, wondering if we can add this info to the article. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Add: Throughout the 1930s, Hormel ads were featured on the radio program The George Burns and Gracie Allen Show.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 18:19, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Reply 29-DEC-2019
Regards, Spintendo  18:34, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The requested claim is already in the article.


 * sorry, should have clarified that the source that is on the page for this claim does not match. So I am providing new sources. Thank you! Hello-Mary-H (talk) 18:50, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Mary, if you take a look at this edit request (also shown in this diff) from December 14, 2018, you'll see that it was you yourself who requested that the reference in question be added to the Burns and Allen claim in the article. This page from the reference in question shows that it verifies the claim made in the article. Please clarify why you'd like this reference replaced. Spintendo  19:12, 29 December 2019 (UTC)


 * that December 2018 citation seems to need an update because it has a "citation needed" message, so I am adding updated relevant sources. Thank you. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 19:36, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * It was actually a inline template, which I've since removed because the reference is a digital copy without any page numbers. The source otherwise does not need to be replaced. Regards,  Spintendo  19:42, 29 December 2019 (UTC)


 * sounds good, thank you! Hello-Mary-H (talk) 19:54, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

request edit January 3, 2020, #1
Hello, wondering if we can update the article with this info. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Add: According to the Military Times, the company has been listed in the Best for Vets Employers Top 100 consecutively since 2013.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 20:12, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Reply 3-JAN-2020
Regards, Spintendo  20:21, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * This claim is already located in the 11th paragraph of the 2010—present section.
 * Please note that this is the second request inside of a week which has asked for items already in the article.


 * Thank you. It looks like the claim is only sourced for the years of 2013 through 2018. So I was providing the 2019 information link. If it was not needed, please advise. Thank you. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 21:54, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Done My apologies, but it wasn't clear that the URL was all that was needed to be added in the initial request. I've since added the link to the references. Thank you! Regards, Spintendo  02:31, 4 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks! For future requests, I will be sure to clarify when I am providing an updated link vs. making a request for new text, so that it is not confusing. Regards, Hello-Mary-H (talk) 19:05, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Spintendo 00:01, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

request edit December 13, #1
Hello, wondering if we can update the info box in the article. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: Net sales US$ 9.55 billion (2018)

Add: Net sales US$ 9.50 billion (2019)

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 01:20, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello, wondering if we can update the info box in the article. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete: Operating income US$ 459 million (2018)[2]

Add: Operating income US$ 673 million (2019) Hello-Mary-H (talk) 01:26, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Reply 14-DEC-2019
Regards, Spintendo  08:14, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ The operating income parameter was updated.
 * ❌ The net sales could not be updated, because no such parameter exists within the template. Please note that this template features only 6 financial indicator parameters and their related year parameters:
 * 1) revenue
 * 2) operating_income
 * 3) net_income
 * 4) aum
 * 5) assets
 * 6) equity
 * Usually, net sales are indicated through the revenue parameter. However, in this case the old figure to be deleted was described as 9.55 billion, while the revenue parameter is not currently used in the article. Please advise.


 * It looks like the operating income for 2019 is actually listed as "$1.20 billion, up 1%." --Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:12, 14 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I've omitted the figure until an accurate one can be found and proposed here on the talk page. The figures listed in the source require the previous years figures in order to extrapolate a definite number, because they apparently only show increase or decrease amounts from the previous year, which we don't have. Even though combining the two sources to extrapolate a figure would be allowed under WP:CALC, it would be easier if we just had the updated figures in one source. Thank you!
 * Regards, Spintendo  02:32, 15 December 2019 (UTC)


 * could it work to say 9.5 billion dollars for sales, as reported https://csr.hormelfoods.com/about-hormel-foods/ and "Sales for 2019 were $9.5 billion dollars, down 1%" on https://www.fool.com/earnings/call-transcripts/2019/11/26/hormel-foods-corp-hrl-q4-2019-earnings-call-transc.aspx ? Thank you. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 21:27, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
 * There is still the question of where this information is to be placed, as there is no "sales" parameter in the infobox. Regards, Spintendo  01:21, 27 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I would suggest revenue since revenue refers to the money a company earns in the normal course of business. ... In accounting, "sales" means the same thing as revenue – and "sales" makes the concept even clearer. Would that possibly work? Hello-Mary-H (talk) 19:57, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ Regards, Spintendo  20:15, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
 * last thing, for revenue, can we possibly have it say 2019 since the source is from this year? Thank you. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 18:45, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The source says 2018. Regards, Spintendo  19:04, 28 December 2019 (UTC)


 * can we possibly add back in operating income and net income? Operating income is $1.20 billion per this financial filing press release https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/hormel-foods-reports-fourth-quarter-and-fiscal-2019-earnings-provides-fiscal-2020-outlook-300965055.html and net income is 979M per https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/hrl/financials Please advise and thank youHello-Mary-H (talk) 01:47, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

request edit January 27, 2020, #1
Hello, wondering if you can help me figure out if there is a broken link for Stagg Chili in the info box? Did a Stagg Chili WP page used to exist? Thank you.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:39, 27 January 2020 (UTC)


 * It looks like the Stagg Chili page existed until March 2017, when at that time it was redirected to the Hormel page. No reason appears to have been given for the redirect. A standing request to merge the article with Hormel had been in place since February 2017, although I can find no evidence that a discussion took place. At the time of its redirect, the Stagg Chili article appears to have been a poorly-sourced stub. Regards, Spintendo  03:08, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you. That's interesting. What would you recommend? Best regards, Hello-Mary-H (talk) 02:08, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

request edit February 3, 2020, #1
Hello, wondering if we can update the article with this info. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Add: Can we possibly add back in operating income and net income? Operating income is $1.20 billion per this financial filing press release and net income is 979M per Market Watch. Please advise and thank you.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/hormel-foods-reports-fourth-quarter-and-fiscal-2019-earnings-provides-fiscal-2020-outlook-300965055.html

https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/hrl/financials

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 18:08, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Reply 3-FEB-2020
Regards, Spintendo  20:55, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) ✅ The operating income parameter was added to the infobox.
 * 2) ❌ The net income parameter could not be added, because the source indicated a net sales figure. Although some companies make a comparison between net income and net sales, others do not. Please provide a source which unequivocally states the net income as "net income".


 * Thank you. I will check into a source that provides that info. Best regards, Hello-Mary-H (talk) 20:57, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

request edit Feb. 14, #1
Hello, wondering if additional links can help restore the Stagg Chili page possibly. Or please advise if there is another way to proceed. Thank you.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-mar-25-sp-12551-story.html

https://www.staggchili.com.au/history/

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/168379/bon-appetit

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 21:38, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Reply 14-FEB-2020
Regards, Spintendo  01:18, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Mary! If I understand you correctly, you'd like to re-create the article on Stagg Chili. Depending on the reason why the page was deleted, there are several ways you can try to have it undeleted:
 * 1) If you feel the page was deleted in error, first contact the administrator responsible for the deletion. If you are still not satisfied after discussing it with the deleting admin, you may then start a deletion review. This review may take place only if there was a procedural error in deleting the page – for example, if there was no consensus to delete the page, or if it was deleted without discussion for a reason that did not apply to the page in question.
 * 2) If the article was deleted as a result of a proposed deletion ("prod"), any administrator should normally restore it on your request. In that case, please make your request at this noticeboard.
 * 3) If the page was deleted for any other reason, you may try resubmitting the article through articles for creation.
 * I hope that helps, and if you have any additional questions about these steps, please feel free to ask here or at the Help desk.


 * Thank you. I will check into the options and post here if needed. Best, Hello-Mary-H (talk) 18:16, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

request edit March 6, #1
Hello, wondering if we can update the article so that the source is independent. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Add: In 1986, Hormel Foods acquired Jennie-O Foods

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 23:22, 6 March 2020 (UTC)


 * ✅. Thank you for the request -- the old reference was improper as it was not about that particular acquisition, but a different one entirely. The new reference you gave covers this properly. – Erakura (talk) 04:36, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

request edit March 9, #1
Hello, wondering if we can update the article in two places so that the source for each one is independent. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Add: Key People James Snee (Chairman, President, CEO)

Add: Leadership timeline James Snee

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 22:34, 9 March 2020 (UTC)


 * ✅. I replaced the existing citations with this new one. We don't like identical citations appearing twice, so although it is cited twice, it appears once in the reference list. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:00, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

request edit March 11, #1
Hello, wondering if we can update the article so that the source is independent of Hormel. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Add: That same year, Hormel Foods acquired The Turkey Store, the business was combined with Jennie-O Foods to form Jennie-O Turkey Store.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 00:49, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

request edit March 12, #1
Hello, wondering if we can update the article so that the source is independent. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Add: Leadership timeline Jeff Ettinger 2006-2016

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 00:12, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

request edit March 15, #1
Hello, wondering if we can update the article so that the source is independent. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Add: Leadership timeline Jeff Ettinger 2006-2016

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 16:53, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

request edit March 15, #2
Hello, wondering if we can update the article so that the source is independent. Reformatting the request. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Add: That same year, Hormel Foods acquired The Turkey Store, the business was combined with Jennie-O Foods to form Jennie-O Turkey Store.

Hello-Mary-H (talk) 16:58, 15 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Unless there is something wrong with the references currently used (such as they do not corroborate the information) I'm not inclined to replace them. Regards, Spintendo  13:28, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know, it might be better to replace primary sources with secondary sources if possible. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:43, 19 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I provided updated sources because they are from news outlets that are not perceived to be affiliated with the company. Which may hopefully improve the article. Thank you. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 18:42, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Using secondary sources is something which I would usually prefer as well, especially in an article such as this one which is already top-heavy in sources related to the company. However, in this case the information that is being referenced is/are merely dates of employment and/or the date of an acquisition. In those cases, I would think that there would be no better source than the company itself (or a primary source dated closer to the event) as (a) the company is the final word on when an employee of theirs worked and (b) the date of when they acquired another company was certainly acquired by Mr Albala from the company itself (or other primary sources available to that author, which are likely no more accurate than the source already used here). There are many other claims in this article which would be better serviced through replacement with secondary sources, than are the ones that are simply referencing a CEO timeline. Unless the company is trying to hide employment dates (which is not the case here) the company is really the best source to use for these types of things. My question to Mary would be, are any of the dates being used here in this timeline under question? Please advise, thanks! Regards, Spintendo  19:41, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I would add that the Simply Wall St reference, as a publication which markets itself as "being open to new contributors" and "providing you with high quality financial data and analysis presented in a beautiful visual way everybody can understand, at a fraction of the cost" leaves a lot to be desired, and should not be seen as some kind of improved alternative to the company itself just sourcing this information. Regards, Spintendo  21:13, 19 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you and . There are no dates that are under question for the timeline. It sounds like you'd prefer to keep the article source list as is. I will keep in mind to not use Simply Wall St again. Thank you and best regards, Hello-Mary-H (talk) 21:58, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

request edit August 17, #1
Hello, wondering if we can update the article since there is new information that is not properly formatted. Also the source has not been verified and comes from an activist organization instead of a neutral one. Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete:

2020 Abuse: Mother Pigs and Piglets Abused by Hormel Supplier https://investigations.peta.org/mother-pigs-piglets-abused-hormel-supplier/?utm_source=PETA::Google&utm_medium=Ad&utm_campaign=0518::gen::PETA::Google::Grant-Dynamic::::searchad&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIkMrZgaqb6wIVksDACh0jBgISEAAYASAAEgJCzvD_BwE


 * ✅, but not for the reason you stated. I have no objection to including that material in a separate section such as "legal issues" or similar, properly cited and formatted, if secondary sources exist. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:19, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

request edit August 19, #1
Hello, wondering if we can update the article for accuracy. Hormel stopped processing lamb decades ago and currently has one U.S. gyro product under the Fontanini brand. It is a 83% beef, 17% lamb gyro meat product listed on the Hormel Foodservice site: https://www.hormelfoodservice.com/brand/fontanini/additional-offerings/

Thank you. Suggested new info:

Delete:

Hormel Foods Corporation is an American company founded in 1891 in Austin, Minnesota, by George A. Hormel as George A. Hormel & Company. Originally focusing on the packaging and selling of ham, Spam, sausage and other pork, chicken, beef and lamb products to consumers; by the 1980s, Hormel began offering a wider range of packaged and refrigerated foods.

Add: Hormel Foods Corporation is an American company founded in 1891 in Austin, Minnesota, by George A. Hormel as George A. Hormel & Company. Originally focusing on the packaging and selling of ham, Spam, sausage and other pork, chicken, and beef products to consumers; by the 1980s, Hormel Foods was a well established global branded food company producing food products including SPAM, Skippy Peanut Butter Skippy, Justin's, and Applegate. Hello-Mary-H (talk) 19:05, 19 August 2020 (UTC)


 * . You have reported that Hormel still sells a gyro product including lamb, so there is no need to remove lamb. As for "well established global branded", that is marketing puffery that belongs on the Hormel website, not in a neutral encyclopedia article. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  23:14, 19 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Lamb was a part of Hormel's offerings but that changed years ago. The amount of packaged, refrigerated and snack products (meat snacks referenced in https://www.fooddive.com/news/hormel-launches-line-of-on-the-go-meat-cheese-and-chocolate-snacks/447882/, Skippy, Justins) far outnumbers the one 83% beef, 17% lamb gyro product. With that in mind, is it possible to detail that the company did have lamb but now has one gyro item, or some other phrasing? Best regards, Hello-Mary-H (talk) 01:35, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , please explain why you think that it is necessary to emphasize that the company now sells only one item containing lamb? Is that something discussed in independent reliable sources? I fail to see how that 2017 reprint of a Hormel press release is relevant to this issue in any way. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  05:14, 30 August 2020 (UTC)