Talk:Horse Protection Act of 1970

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Summary Page on H.R.6388


 * http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:h.r.6388:

Full text of the bill: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr6388/text

Hope this helps. When possible, in legal land, it's good to quote the exact language (anywhere else it's plagiarism, but not in law if you put it in quotes and provide a proper cite.  Montanabw (talk) 21:10, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'll add the full text link in as an external link, I think. I used the "All Congressional Actions" section of the first link as a reference already - that's a really cool site. Wish it went back to the 70s! Dana boomer (talk) 12:01, 19 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Me too. And I looked... might go back that far on LEXIS, but I don't have that at the office.  Montanabw (talk) 14:26, 19 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I think this is getting to a good place for a run at GA, unless there's something major we're missing. Might even be able to send it to FAC afterwards... Thoughts? Dana boomer (talk) 17:45, 21 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I'd run this past the people who do law articles on wikipedia as either formal or informal peer review first. I don't do much on law articles on-wiki and I think there could be some formatting stuff we aren't aware of.  I'm also wondering if we should do anything on the number of prosecutions/convictions under the act or not. But yes, I think it could get there pretty quick.  Congrats on the Saddlebred article, by the way!    Montanabw (talk) 22:02, 21 March 2013 (UTC) And, I'm going to let a couple people know we could use a bit of informal peer review.   Montanabw (talk) 22:06, 21 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I've dropped a note to User:Ironholds, who is one of the main editors working on legal articles on WP, although he does mainly British stuff. I think we're in pretty good shape for GAN, but it will be nice to have the extra eyes if we go to FAC. Wild and Free-Roaming Horses and Burros Act of 1971 is another law article that could probably go to GAN fairly easily - you've done awesome work there! Dana boomer (talk) 22:18, 21 March 2013 (UTC)


 * I think that would be fun too.  Montanabw (talk) 19:06, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

A few comments
Montanabw asked me to take a look at the article. Generally pretty good, it might be worth taking a shot at GA. Some specific things:


 * Lede
 * I suggest moving all or most of the legal citations to a footnote. Additionally, I think the first paragraph should be made as short as possible.  Consider a break after "it has been sored." "In the practice of spring", what's wrong with  "Soring is".
 * "some inspectors" how about some citizen-inspectors"
 * You should clarify that the amendments bill was reintroduced in January 2013.
 * Background
 * " trainers" clarify what sort of horse they were training (i.e. for what)
 * " outlawing through" perhaps "prohibition in"
 * Consider blockquoting the definition of soring here.
 * I think I've addressed everything from the Background section. Dana boomer (talk) 15:27, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Contents
 * I don't think Act should be capitalized except if used as part of a formal title. I note that you are inconsistent in this regard in any case.
 * Fixed, I believe. RF 22:18, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
 * All the invocations of 15 USC are a bit much. Can you not start with mentioning that the HPA is in Title 15 of the US Code, and transition to only having to mention section numbers?
 * I think I've addressed everything from the Contents section. Dana boomer (talk) 15:53, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Implementation
 * "In the original version of the Act, the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) branch of the USDA was charged with enforcing the Horse Protection Act." Perhaps "As originally enacted, the Act was to be enforced by [APHIS], part of the USDA.
 * "but will be in effect when the rider" Perhaps "but which will be administered before the rider"
 * Montanabw: Can you check this one please? I've checked the source, and cannot figure out what this sentence is referring to...I know you wrote it, so maybe I'm missing something? Dana boomer (talk) 15:53, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 * ANSWER:  Basically, there are several different tricks, (I'd have to do a bunch more sleuthing for all the details) but the idea is that the horse tests as OK at the inspection but is sored and in pain by the time the horse's class is called, thus getting the "big lick" action.  I cannot say for certain that things are done after inspection and before entering the class because, just for example, if drug testing protocols are weak, the animal could have an analgesic administered that causes the horse to not appear to be in pain, but which wears off before class time, for example, so... see next comment below--MontanaBW
 * "which are timed to wear off" strike "which are"
 * " courts with appeals rising to the Circuit Court level" how about "courts which have had their rulings appealed to the Circuit Court level"
 * "This led to the June 2012 strengthening of penalty systems." This sounds significant, and it's a bit unclear.
 * Amendment.
 * Since the original bill would have died with the Congress in January, the bill was presumably reintroduced, I'd check one of the Congress's website to cite if anyone wants any of the gory details.
 * I've updated the information both in this section and in the lead. The bill has not yet been introduced, although the reintroduction is expected soon...although with US politicians acting like spoiled toddlers...oops, did I say that out loud? :) Dana boomer (talk) 15:27, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Well done.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:24, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking a look! I've begun to make some of the changes above, and I'll leave comments here as I work. Dana boomer (talk) 15:27, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 * More work done. Montana, can you check the point above where I bolded your name, please? Dana boomer (talk) 15:53, 24 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Answered. The source is also vague, but I'm betting delayed action drugs or possibly stuff that doesn't hurt upon application until you irritate it by putting on chains, that sort of thing.   Montanabw (talk) 21:11, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you quote the part of the source that says that? I can't find the part about delayed effect soring agents in the Equus report... Dana boomer (talk) 15:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Not sure it's there, more that it's implied, I may have to do a little more research to verify.  Montanabw (talk) 19:39, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Montana, have you had a chance to look at this again? I think the sourcing for this bit is the last thing we need before a GA nom! Thanks, Dana boomer (talk) 12:42, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

My bad, been in other messes. We may just need to chop that bit and run it to GA without, I can dig it up later. Montanabw (talk) 21:04, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, cool, thanks for commenting it out. I've made a couple more tweaks and nominated for GAN, so we'll see what happens! Dana boomer (talk) 17:48, 1 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Groovy. Here goes!   Montanabw (talk) 21:27, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Ping ping!
BIG indictment!


 * http://www.thehorse.com/articles/31637/tennessee-grand-jury-indicts-mcconnell-for-horse-soring

FAC run?
After doing a bit more work after the GA pass (mainly integrating the external links and doing a bit of copyediting), I think we're in pretty good shape for a FAC run. Thoughts? Dana boomer (talk) 14:29, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * See if we can get a wikiproject Law/legal reviewer on it for a run-through. I think you are right.   Montanabw (talk) 22:24, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Ironholds (one of the best law editors on WP) looked through it before the GAN, and I addressed the minor issues that he came up with. The review is somewhere on/in the archives of my talk page, if you want to look, but it was only a couple of comments. I don't know who else we would ask, or did you have someone specific in mind? Dana boomer (talk) 22:28, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Not really, this just seems too easy for a GA/FA... just twitchy, I guess! LOL!   Montanabw (talk) 23:07, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Something to add?
Found this infobox, should we one like it to the article? I think it is a good thing to add. Will need to tweak the syntax, not sure I'm doing it right. What think you, Dana? As time permits, maybe we can sandbox it here to be right for this article and then add it when we have it finished  Montanabw (talk) 18:01, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Links for updates

 * Proposed regs 2016: http://www.thehorse.com/articles/37371/aphis-seeks-anti-soring-rule-change

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