Talk:Horse the Band

nintendocore
does NOT EXIST AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

this freaking reference used to defend the validity of that label is not even... valid... itself:

"Nintendocore (wherein musicians use specific instruments to mimic the sounds of Nintendo games)"

what specific instruments?? they use ONE keyboard in which only half of their songs use a square wave lead of some sort that somewhat sounds like this 8 bit sound

that article was also written long before the recording of A Natural Death so the author would have no knowledge of the use of the LSDJ cartridge that contributes to the 8bit sound on the tracks "Murder" and "[Crushing]".

as other people have said before interview after interview the band continues to express their opposition to "nintendocore" as a serious label. the name was used as a JOKE when they were just KIDS in a garage and is far from a legitimate sub genre.

If you can find ONE other band to whom this label applies to i will stop bitching about these changes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.139.177.99 (talk • contribs)


 * How about Powerglove? = ∫tc 5th Eye 23:06, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * i dont believe it is a real genre either. seriously, nathan (i think it was nathan?) said that as a JOKE, he was not being serious. --71.203.149.71 (talk) 17:21, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

There are a lot of bands that take a lot of influence from HORSE the Band. iamerror, As the World Fades, I Shot the Duck Hunt Dog, Breakdance Kickboxer, :(, GO! With Fourteen O, 100DEADRABBITS!!!, the list goes on. Nathan jokingly made the term, but other bands title themselves with the genre.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.99.117.129 (talk) 02:31, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

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powerglove is just a metal band experimenting with the videogame gimmick nintendocore would also imply a major punk/hardcore influence and powerglove does not have that —Preceding unsigned comment added by United c (talk • contribs) 23:04, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Archiving
I archived the last talk page because nothing related to the article was actually being discussed. Seegoon 00:37, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Deletion
Deleted the line "They have been rocking the fuck off of faces ever since" from the end of the "history" section's first paragraph. Umm, "not encyclopedic" i think. 24.233.40.212 23:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

deleted the sentence "Their uncontrolled energy was seen yet again in New Jersey when fans lit firecrackers inside the venue, which could have caused equipment to break and even the venue to catch fire. " that's way too long of a "could have", it's sensationalist, and it was more than likely just edited in by the kid who set off the firecrackers. 75.65.109.15 08:11, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Deleted "nintendocore" as a genre, because that was a joke. The band has made reference to Nintendo characters, and plays with an 8-bit sound, but their lyrics are very much not relating, and having the genre was misleading. Djuplina (talk) 06:39, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

band of horses
are we sure we need a link to them? Horse the band and band of horses seem pretty hard to confuse. --81.132.40.247 (talk) 18:31, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

agreed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by United c (talk • contribs) 19:50, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Help me with putting in references
I don't know how to do the footnote notation thing so I'm going to provide the links, where they go, and a bit of info on what they are about:

to finally get rid of that stupid nintendocore label, here's three sources:

http://www.killyourstereo.com/interviews/67/horse-the-band-interview-with-cameron-chambers/

http://www.rock-metal-music-reviews.com/interview-erik-engstrom-of-horse-the-band/

also i'm not sure how to use this but these are a scans of a magazine interview where the band express once again their disapproval of being called nintendocore and dismissal of the genre as a legitimate one: http://i27.tinypic.com/vepuua.jpg http://i29.tinypic.com/5nn23b.jpg http://i30.tinypic.com/160d6ba.jpg http://i25.tinypic.com/2pqj6hh.jpg

An interview concerning the 40+ country tour http://www.pickrset.com/musicnews/213/interview+with+horse+the+band —Preceding unsigned comment added by United c (talk • contribs) 02:55, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * First and foremost, stop removing the information from the article. It is relevant and sourced. It doesn't matter if you don't like it. If you can find something from a reliable source saying that the band rejects the labeel, then that deserves a mention, but that still doesn't mean the information should be removed. Bands don't get to decide how others describe them, and fans and media have overwhelmingly referred to HORSE the band as nintendocore. Edgar Degas rejected the term Impressionism, just as Albert Camus despised the label of Existentialism; it doesn't change the fact that Degas was an Impressionist and Camus was an Existentialist. faithless   (speak)  08:22, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hear hear. Nintendocore should stay. = ∫tc 5th Eye 14:17, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for helping me understand. Now since it's a true genre we need to make an article for Nintendocore in case these fans want to read about it! I'm not very good at the template stuff so can someone please make a page for Nintendocore? I mean it's obviously a real genre since you guys found two articles of non reputable people mentioning the name. Let's have a list of bands that fit under the genre nintendocore as well, since i dont think it makes sense that there can be a genre to which only one band exists, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by United c (talk • contribs) 18:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Nintendocore. = ∫tc 5th Eye 18:18, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * (ec)First, there is an article: Nintendocore. Second, MTV and the Deseret Morning News are hardly "non reputable." Third, I only included the first two sources I came across - there are innumerable more out there. A Google search returns 57,000 hits. I'll include one more source (hopefully you find San Francisco Chronicle reputable?). We get it - you don't like the term. But you know what? It doesn't matter what you think (just like it doesn't matter what I think). faithless   (speak)  18:22, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * oh cool, i didn't even think to check first.
 * huh, so nintendocore is metalcore and chiptunes/8 bit music. i didn't know using a short 8bit drum track as an intro to one song (murder - a natural death) and only again for another minute in another song ("crushing" - a natural death) qualified horse as nintendocore. that's interesting.
 * i mean using a squarewave synth patch shouldn't count as chiptunes alone right? does that mean that a ray charles song played on a synth is 8-bit/chiptune? that's awesome! —Preceding unsigned comment added by United c (talk • contribs) 18:35, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * also have you even bothered to check the discussion for the nintendocore article?
 * finding 57000 instances of the word nintendocore on google is poor and completely inaccurate "research" and hardly something to be used to defend the validity of the genre —Preceding unsigned comment added by United c (talk • contribs) 18:38, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Of course Google searching isn't a good way to determine notability at all. The sources ought to be enough. = ∫tc 5th Eye 19:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sigh...this is really getting old. Look, I'm not making any personal statement here. I couldn't care less what genre this band is. Maybe you don't realize this, so I'll spell it out for you: Wikipedia doesn't care what you think, and it doesn't care what I think. Wikipedia only cares what reliable sources have to say. Not happy that so many media outlets describe the band's sound as nintendocore? Fine - take it up with them, not us. Also, your snarky/sarcastic attitude isn't impressing anyone, and is making you look very foolish indeed. Drop it. No one here is even disagreeing with you; the San Francisco Chronicle, MTV and the Deseret Morning News are. But I suppose you know better than them, huh?
 * Oh, and the 57,000 G-hits are for "HORSE the band Nintendocore." So we're seeing either an amazing coincidence or a hell of a lot of people who disagree with you. faithless   (speak)  22:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


 * "flat" and "earth" as one query return 4,920,000 hits. astounding! i guess my astronomy book is wrong


 * also i understand that i might sound like i have an issue with you or with wikipedia or this is some personal thing, but it really isn't. i know my sarcasm makes me look bad, but this isn't even about me. i'm just trying to help this site achieve its purpose and provide facts! i mean, there are about as many sources saying nintendocore is a valid genre and there are several bands within it than there are sources denying this! i will stop removing the label from the article but it should be made clear that the validity of the term is still debatable. i mean, "nintendocore" keeps getting put back in as a genre but in the article itself (?!) it states it's a "tongue-in-cheek" labeling (and this can be verified from the same place the term was first used, by the band in a private message board from their pre-recording days)

we can't have an article that says in one place that it's a joke genre and then uses it seriously in another, agree?

also, suppose nintendocore is a real legit genre. according to our own article on here it claims that amongst other things it is a videogame soundtrack/music inspired version of metalcore. First of all, Horse the band had far stronger punk inclinations in the beginning, making them at most hardcore. they moved towards metalcore with their latest release, which is also the less "nintendo-y" album thus far. therefore they didn't meet the metalcore prereq of nintendocore back then. so now we have the "VG inspired" requisitite. as you will find in this interview: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=97293 videogame music was absolutely no where near the band's intentions when they wrote their first songs. the riffs for the pioneer "nintendocore" songs were written for a piano, and the use of a synth was an afterthought. nowadays the keyboard riffs are inspired by andrew lloyd webber, pat benatar and classical composers. so even if nintendocore is a real genre, the way that it is defined does not cover horse the band.

i apologize if i came off as anything but civil but i really want to end this confusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by United c (talk • contribs) 01:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You may very well be correct in your assertions, but it just doesn't matter. Personally, I really (really) hate talking about what "genre" a band is. I'm not even saying you aren't right, but the fact is that nearly every media outlet that has covered them has referred to HORSE the band as being Nintendocore (and for the record, I hate that term too). Even if you're right and you convince everyone here, it doesn't matter - as Verifiability says, "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth&mdash;that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true."
 * Don't worry, no offense taken. faithless   (speak)  02:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


 * fair enough. as an officer of the internet police force i guess i have to target these "reliable" sources and nip this hogwash in the bud —Preceding unsigned comment added by United c (talk • contribs) 02:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Introduction Paragraph
The keyboardist will always be in the band, as he writes the songs, so there is no need for "current". Also, HORSE had already shunned the label nintendocore before they started using LSDJ. Therefore I am removing that part of the introduction. --Skellyscribbles (talk) 01:13, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

-- It's also not a special keyboard at all, it's using the exact same engine as a Microkorg which is easily the most common synth. In fact it's the most sold synth ever which is saying much since it's so new. The whole sentence should be removed and not be added again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.183.200.215 (talk) 20:17, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Recent edits
Creating a space in the talk page to discuss the recent removal of sourced information. Waiting for the other party/parties in this dispute to argue his/their case. Chubbles (talk) 23:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Grammar
"...is a band from Lake Forest, California who are best known..." sounds a bit inconsistent. Is this band singular or plural? 86.164.23.31 (talk) 22:48, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

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