Talk:Horsham

Untitled
I'd like to challenge the necessity of listing the buildings on Hurst Road. They are fairly typical of any town of this size, so what value does it add?

West Sussex County Times entry
Whilst I can see the value of the entry of having a section on the West Sussex County Times, as it's offices have been in the town since it was launched, I am concerned that having the obvious references to its website in the title and repeated in the main body of text smacks of self-promotion. I edited the article in good faith to remove these references and just leave the link icons, but it seems they have been reinserted.

Do others feel the same way that the WSCT as a commercial operation is being overly promoted? Nshimbi 13:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


 * It helps detail the town - shows Hurst Road as a central area to it. I don't see the problem. Also it gives a section which can be expanded on to include other schools in the town. Equally is the Leisure facilities section relevent? Short answer - yes, because it details the town. -Erolos 13:34, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I agree, what good is this page for if not including all the detals of the town?

I do not know how to list a source. I added the "Trivia & Urban Myths" section, including a story about the last man to die of pressing in Horsham (and England)...but I don't know how to credit it. It is from a flat red A5 book called "Horsham's Hidden Horrors" by S. J. Scarry and is available in all the local bookshops.-Crieff405 05:48, 2 Jun 2006 (UTC)

Nshimbi, I think there's a fine line between valid information, 'infomercials', and blatant plugs. The WSCT is however an important and enduring part of the town's culture, so I would regard factual details of foundation date, location, current editor, and maybe a current circulation as justified content, whereas any subjective comment as to its quality would not be. The entries as they currently stand on Horsham's breweries are an example of objective information. I expect that a lot of organizations now employ people to raise their profiles in Wiki ...

Anyone wanting to add factual information about the town would do well to consult the 'Causeway' book, published as a magazine in 12 parts I think, in the 1970s. In reply to Creiff405, all you need to do for a reference is describe the author, date, title and publisher. (There are stacks of examples of good source referencing in Wikipedia and in published textbooks.) I prefer not to give an ISBN, because it's easy to make errors when copying them, and they may change between editions. The author, date and title should be enough for the curious reader to pursue. --Wally Tharg (talk) 17:17, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Population
Correct me, if I am wrong, but it says the population of Horsham is about 50000. However, some way down the page it then says 30000. Which is to be taken as true? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Me254065 (talk • contribs) 23:44, 27 July 2006.

on an unrelated note there is also a town calledhorshan in southeastern australia —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 61.68.162.75 (talk • contribs) 07:26, 17 November 2006.


 * There's a link to a disambiguation page at the top of the article. You can get to it from there. — jammycakes 09:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Reference in Domesday Book:

The local museum (Causeway) has a display which says the name Horsheham turns up in Domesday Book and has been taken to refer to Shoreham-by-Sea. It could just as easily refer to Horsham as the Norman bastards never could be bothered to spell things right.Jscb 08:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Population statistics: Both may be right! The problem is one of time and space. How do you define Horsham? Is it the town itself, the rural district, or the parliamentary constituency? Without saying which, it is meaningless to quote the statistic. Populations are also changing quite rapidly in SE England, with a minor baby boom, new housing and people moving for work, so there needs to be a time stamp on the figure, such as the 2001 Census. (When I was growing up in Horsham in the 1960s, people used to say it was 25000, but again, I don't know where they drew the boundary. I believe that over 100k people used to vote in the constituency when Peter Hordern was MP.)  It would be interesting to post some defined statistics from past censuses to show how the population has grown. --Wally Tharg (talk) 17:30, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


 * "How do you define Horsham? Is it the town itself, the rural district, or the parliamentary constituency?"
 * A somewhat belated reply, I accept. But the answer, surely, is that you define it according to the description in the introduction of the article, which is that Horsham is a "market town". Any claimed population should therefore refer to that of "the town itself". There are separate articles on Horsham district and Horsham constituency, where the population and electorate (respectively) of those can and should be entered. Grubstreet (talk) 15:06, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

The Capitol
I am some what confused as to why the name of The Capitol has twice been edited to The Forum. I have now included a link to he external website. Before any further edits it would be good to establish where the idea that this complex has another name comes from.

It was known as Horsham Arts Centre (1980s), and before conversion from a cinema to a multi-purpose venue, I think it was called the ABC Ritz ... or possibly the Odeon? The name 'The Capitol' refers back to the old theatre, just off the Carfax, located where M&S now is. This original Capitol was demolished around 1980. Someone needs to check the definitive naming history of the current Capitol, post it, and then the re-editing should cease.

On a similar thread, was the theatre in the Carfax where Michael Caine first performed called the Winter Garden? --Wally Tharg (talk) 18:13, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Twinned with Lerici
Currently, in the "Twinning" section, it says:

Although it is loathe to admit it, Horsham is also twinned with Lerici in Italy.

Could someone please explain why it is loathe to admit it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tris2000 (talk • contribs) 17:03, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Of course it isn't loathe to admit it ... it may, however, be loath or loth to admit it ... :-)  --Wally Tharg (talk) 17:36, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Trivia
In order to reduce the trivia section, with a view to losing it, I have removed the following items which were flagged as needing a citation. They can go back if people feel they add to the article, but they really need a citation to go with them.


 * There was a legend associated with a track in St. Leonard's forest to the East of Horsham, the track or footpath being called "Mick Miles' Race". Apparently a gentleman called Mick Miles one night beat the devil in a race in order to keep his soul, but no other details known except that no trees have grown on the 'race' since that fateful day.
 * When a robber tried to take thousands of pounds' worth of jewels from Amore jewellers in 2006, the shop owner was shot when trying to chase the robber. However, his life was saved because the bullet richoceted off the mobile phone in his top pocket.
 * Sir Michael Caine commenced his stage career in Horsham in 1953 at the Theater Royal, long closed-down, which was in the Carfax; in more recent years it was a dancing school, picture frame shop and estate agent.

MortimerCat (talk) 22:35, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I've removed the remnants of the trivia section. The first paragraph just duplicates information from the more relevant St Leonard's Forest article. The second doesn't seem to be particularly notable and would not fit well into the history section:

Grim23 ★ 17:44, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Folklore tells of a dragon in the nearby St Leonard’s Forest. St Leonard was a 5th century French hermit who actually never landed on British soil, never mind the forest. He is the patron saint of pregnant women and prisoners of war. He is also thought to protect lost souls at sea. His connection with Horsham is that, legend has it; he fought with a dragon in the forest now bearing his name. A sculpture depicting the dragon, along with a plaque telling the story, is now in Horsham’s Park. It was erected to celebrate the millennium. Photos of the dragon in its protective maze can be found on the Hidden Horsham site. The public house in nearby Colgate is called The Dragon by way of a reference to this legend.
 * Buffalo Bill's Wild West visited Horsham on June 15 1904 staging two shows on one day. See the advert and press report feature on Hidden Horsham. The shows took place on an area adjacent to Horsham Common known as Jew's Meadow. This area is now occupied by houses on Merryfield Drive.

Needles Estate
I was somewhat concerned to read that Needles estate was named after a destroyed farmhouse, as that is our house.

The beams still exist in our living room, which was originally a dining room. The house was owned by Lord Graham before the second world war, who later became governor of Bermuda post war, I believe. 201.103.11.57 (talk) 19:25, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for mentioning this, I've changed the sentence to reflect what I can verify. Grim<b style="color:#CC0000">2</b><b style="color:#FF0000">3</b> ★ 02:50, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Notable people sections
The WP:UKTOWNS guidelines says that all people should be referenced and that the section should not be a list but written in prose. The most important people could be included in a prose section. I was thinking of moving these two lists to their own page, in a format of something like List of people from Southwark. Any unreferenced people could be moved to the talkpage of the list until a reference is found. <b style="color:#000000">G</b><b style="color:#660000">ri</b><b style="color:#990000">m</b><b style="color:#CC0000">2</b><b style="color:#FF0000">3</b> ★ 23:55, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Compass-table
I've re-added the Compass-table that was removed from the article. I think it displays the settlements surrounding Horsham in a clear and simple way. The template has been used in several featured articles about English settlements and its use is suggested in the How to write about UK settlements guideline. <b style="color:#000000">G</b><b style="color:#660000">ri</b><b style="color:#990000">m</b><b style="color:#CC0000">2</b><b style="color:#FF0000">3</b> ★ 22:40, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The guideline does not tell writers to use a compass table. It merely suggests they "consider" using one.
 * Compass tables are an old Wikipedia invention that have since been overtaken by infoboxes with maps. Location maps show a place's position at a county level, and every good WP article about a town or other settlement also has a link to mapping information that gives a far superior representation of where a place is in relation to its more immediate neighbours. What is a compass table except a very poor substitute for a local map? Since maps exist and are so readily available, why create an inferior approximation? I have better things with which to fill Wikipedia's servers. Motacilla (talk) 00:02, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe the compass table post-dates the coordinate and infobox templates. Compass tables serve a different purpose allowing concise wikilinks to nearby settlements. If you still want a remove a template used in many of UK geography WikiProject's featured articles and mentioned in their guidelines, it might be better to discuss it there. Thank you for your quick response and explanation of your rationale. <b style="color:#000000">G</b><b style="color:#660000">ri</b><b style="color:#990000">m</b><b style="color:#CC0000">2</b><b style="color:#FF0000">3</b> ★ 01:22, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Horsham Fountain in the Bishopric
This fountain has finally been removed - but interesting that is was cited as one of the ugliest in the world.

Can someone add in a section about the Horsham fountain, some stories claim that Google has ranked it as the ugliest in the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.145.181.66 (talk) 18:28, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Closure of Faygate and Parkway Strategy - rail links
Can someone add background on the plans to expand Faygate, linking Horsham and Crawley, as well as plans of the Parkway strategy?

Will there be a new station, for Thameslink trains, will Littlehaven and Faygate stations be shut?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.180.168.22 (talk) 10:45, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

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Novartis
I believe the Novartis site is scheduled for closure; correct? If so, an update to the article is needed. MidnightBlue  (Talk)  18:26, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * This link may be of use as a ref . SovalValtos (talk) 18:48, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It's a while since I lived in Horsham. I take it no other pharma companies have set up shop in recent times? MidnightBlue   (Talk)  19:30, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

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Rising universe
There is a whole section on a fountain that is no longer there?

Can someone move it to section of former monuments in Horsham?

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Bishopric sculpture
Can someone remove the section on the Rising Universe - it is not there anymore?

Concentrate on things that still exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.224.32.138 (talk) 12:24, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * No. Wikipedia covers the past as much as the present per WP:Recentism. No reason to remove it. The text says the sculpture was removed.Charles (talk) 20:36, 31 January 2018 (UTC)