Talk:Hortative

Adding of additional references
2 additional references added however I am unsure how to annotate them in that they are overall references and not specific to any single section or statement within the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drew.ward (talk • contribs) 20:55, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Parallelism
From the material it would seem that Adhortative and Dehortative, Exhortative and Inhortative, and Superhortative and Infrahortative are respectively positive and negative versions of the same degree of the Hortative. However, the examples have should being used at the Adhortative and Inhortative levels and must being used with the Exhortative and Infrahortative levels. Not only that, but there doesn't appear to be any other use of Superhortative and Infrahortative except this article and possibly the cited reference, so this seems to smack very much of original research to me. Carolina wren (talk) 19:42, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I seems so to me as well, this is the first time I've heard about any sort of subdivision of this mood and I don't know of any language that makes a distinction between them. Also, this article fails to point out what's so special about this mood, especially what the difference between hortative and jussive is, for to me they practically seem to be two words for the same thing. Nederbörd (talk) 14:32, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Contradictions?

 * The article says "If the person in control of the desired state of affairs is the addressee or addressees, the utterance is an imperative. In any other case, it is a hortative." Yet all of the hortative examples have the speaker urging the addressee to take or not take action which is under the addressee's control.
 * The Irrealis article claims that "it [the hortative mood] does not exist in English" (emphasis added) while this page defines the term as "...a group of semantically similar deontic moods in some languages, especially English. Hortative moods encourage or urge. There are seven hortative moods in English..." (emphasis added)

I can make guesses about what these contradictions mean (Hortative not having a morphological form in English, but being constructed other ways?). But I'm not going to make a clarifying edit based on a guess. (And the bit about a hortative not being under the addressee's control, I can't make sense of at all.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.104.25.91 (talk) 16:18, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Not a mood proper in English
Since these hortatives don't map 1-to-1 to specific grammatical structures in English, they're semantic interpretations with in some cases potentially vague boundaries between them. As such they aren't grammatical moods or tenses at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.81.0 (talk) 05:07, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

5.2 Exhortative
I've never heard of "ex-" having a meaning of "thoroughly", and both Wiktionary and Webster's Dictionary contradict this claim.


 * On Wiktionary, exhortative points to ex (via exhort), which lists the meanings
 * out of
 * outside
 * former, but still living (almost always used with a hyphen)
 * (biology) Lacking.


 * Webster's lacks an etymology listing for exhortative, but for exhort gives "L. exhortari; ex out + hortari to incite, encourage".

Unless a source can be found for this assertion, it should be removed. — Troyp (talk) 12:13, 23 July 2015 (UTC)