Talk:Hortensius (Cicero)

Page Creation
I wish to expand this page and categorize it. I came across the title in St. Augustine's Confessions; however, this page has not yet been created, nor has a proper page to re-direct. From my own work: "In section seven, Augustine is eighteen years old, and the Hortensius brings thoughts that cause him to doubt his current life style. Cicero’s Hortensius had flooded his mind, for it "contains an exhortation to study philosophy... The book changed [his] feelings. It altered [his] prayers... to be toward [God].” Tradereddy (talk) 20:33, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Expanding the Page
There is more content on the French and Italian pages that could help us expand the page. Tradereddy (talk) 13:56, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Thoughts for GA nominator
Hi, I've just added template:sfn formatting to the references here. I think the article is good, but could do with some tlc on the sources. Especially providing pages in inline citations. Augustine's Confessions, for example, is a massive book and some indication of where to find the bits referred to here would be invaluable. The same goes to the works cited here where lack of page numbers could be confused for an unread bolt-on citation. Anyway, these shouldn't be big things and I wish you the best with the nomination. —Brigade Piron (talk) 08:54, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I added more sources, if you wanted to give those a some TLC. Augustine writes about the Hortensius prodominately in Book III.4.7 - III.6.10. I plan to go through the book again, and I'll bring some additional information if there is some concering the work. Tradereddy (talk) 16:46, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestions, and the edits look really nice. I went ahead and made a few more minor adjustments. How does it all look now, ?-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   23:00, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

That's great! I like the inclusion of quotes which, given the nature of the subject, seem very appropriate. A couple of source things remain though I think: All best! —Brigade Piron (talk) 08:24, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * reference 4 (Augustine 2006) - could that be converted into the same format as the new references 1 and 2 (Confessions III.4 for example).
 * Is "Encyclopedia Americana, v. 2, p. 685. Danbury, CT: Grolier, 1997. ISBN 0-7172-0129-5." The same book as "Cummings, Mark, ed. (1997). Encyclopedia Americana. Grolier Incorporated. ISBN 0-7172-0129-5."? If so, I'll convert that to an sfn citatation like the other Cummings one.
 * Would it be possible (not essential of course) to have page references for the Rabinowitz 1957 citation?

Additional research and fragments
I discovered a scholarly article that would be a good launching point to several additional sources for our Wikipedia article, [https://www.academia.edu/7943427/Reconstructing_Cicero_s_Hortensius._A_note_on_fragment_43_Grilli_Philologica_Jassyensia_X_1_19_2014_Suppl._ 'Reconstructing Cicero’s Hortensius. A note on fragment 43 Grilli (Philologica Jassyensia X, 1 (19) / 2014 Suppl.)'].

In addition, I would like to open the discussion about creating a new section on the page for the quotation of selected fragments. As far as my sense of aesthetics goes, any additional side quotation boxes would be a step against GA status rather than toward.

Chadwick's edition of Augustine footnotes this senetnece as "a quotation or at least a paraphrase of Cicero (Hortensius, fragment 106 Grilli)": "For 'it is not the discovery but the mere search for wisdom which should be preferred even to the discovery of treasures and to ruling over nations and to the physical delights available to me at a nod'" (Page 145, VIII.7.17) -Tradereddy (talk) 16:08, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * This is an excellent article! I think a section like the one you suggest is a good idea.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   19:48, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I have used the article in addition to other sources to create a new section Scholarship. I haven't yet found a good source for an overview of fragments. I'm going to find a copy of Rabinowitz (1957) at my university library to fix that citation. Tradereddy (talk) 20:31, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

German speakers needed
Under the new section Scholarship, I included Laila Straume-Zimmermann's work. The only online resource commenting on her book is this German JSTOR article. Is anyone able to read the text and contribute to this article? Tradereddy (talk) 20:31, 19 December 2015 (UTC)