Talk:Horwich/Archive 1

Food Places
I wish I could think of a way to explain how many food places there are in Horwich, and how good they are!

My favourite restaurant is a tie between Harvesters and Scotts My favourite take-away is Nightbar (everyone loves Nightbar!) My favourite cafe is Cafe Brambles, but that new "Taste Buds" was nice when I got something to take out, must try it properly sometime! TR_Wolf

Town/Village
I know this article says we're a town, and we have a town hall etc, but are we a town or a village? I mean I thought Bolton was the town, and everyone living and working here seems to call it a village, I mean its only about 2 streets for a town centre. I kinda like the idea of it being a village :P

TR_Wolf


 * I'm not from the area, but given its population size, this is close. I'd say a large village or small town. Jhamez84 20:42, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Horwich waddles like a town and quacks like a town, so, a town it is. It's huge, anyway! You could fit ten villages into the Middlebrook Retail/Business Park and Stadium. Jemmy.
 * Ah no, Middlebrook is in Lostock officially. Horwich's town centre doesnt have a square or a plaza, its just a couple of streets. Everyone here calls it a village, and the buildings are quite villagy. TR_Wolf
 * The Middlebrook site lies on the boundary between Horwich and Lostock. Before the site was developed it was farmland for Sefton Farm in Horwich. Some of that farmland stretched over to Lostock. Old maps and good new maps show the boundaries. If anyone takes the time, they’ll find the Royal Mail's official addresses at Middlebrook are “store/shop, The Linkway, Horwich, Bolton, BL6 6JA”. The Royal Mail doesn’t use the name Middlebrook. Also the name Bolton is only added on for postal purposes. Up and down the country there are small towns and villages which have the addition of a larger town. It seems to me that some people dislike Horwich and hate to see the town having any recognition. Cayden 14:07, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Royal Mail postal addresses and postcodes are not really an indication of anything apart from how the Royal Mail sorts mail. But it seems reasonable to call Horwich a town, I have always considered it to be a town.  Looking at the online 1849 map, Lostock seems to have been an area around Lostock Hall which is further East.  The Bee Hive Inn is shown as nearer to Lostock Hall than Sefton Fold Farm but I would have thought the pub is thought of as in Horwich rather than Lostock?  Lostock was actually considered to be part of Westhoughton.  --jmb 16:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * LOSTOCK, a township in Bolton-le-Moors parish, Lancashire; on the Bolton and Preston railway, 4 miles W of Bolton. It is connected cclesiastically with West Houghton chapelry. Acres, 1,426. Real property, £2,146. Pop., 580. Houses, 121. Lostock Hall here is a timbered house of 1563, with oriels; belonged to the Andertons; and passed to the Blundells. There are a Wesleyan chapel and a national school. John Marius Wilson, Imperial Gazetteer of England and Wales (1870-72)
 * Horwich was called a town in 1870 when it was much smaller so does not seem unreasonable to still call it a town. --jmb 16:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * HORWICH, a town, a parochial chapelry, and a subdistrict in Bolton district, Lancashire. The town stands 1 mile N of a station on the Bolton and Preston railway, and 5 WNW of Bolton. The railway station serves for it and for Blackrod, and has a telegraph. The town occupies the site of a Roman settlement; was a seat of cotton manufacture so early as the time of Henry VIII.; carries on now cotton spinning, bleaching, and dyeing; also conducts trade in connection with stone quarries, fire brick, tile, and terracotta works in the chapelry, and with collieries there and in the neighbourhood; and has a post office? under Bolton, a church, three dissenting chapels, a national school, and charities £392. The church was rebuilt in 1831, at a cost of £6, 000; is in the pointed style; comprises nave and two aisles, with lofty tower; and contains a monument, by Westmacott, to Joseph Ridgway, Esq. Two of the dissenting chapels are for Independents; and one of these is a large and handsome edifice of 1855. The national school is a spacious structure of 1832. The chapelry contains also the village of Wilderswood, and is in the parish of Dean. Acres, 3, 230. Real property, £15, 880; of which £170 are in mines, and £82 in quarries. Pop., 3, 471. Houses, 682. The Stoner family and the Rev. Henry Wright are the chief landowners. The reservoir of the Liverpool water works, a large sheet of water, is in the W. The living is a vicarage in the diocese of Manchester. Value, £334. * Patron, the Vicar of Dean. The sub-district contains also a township of Bolton-le-Moors. Acres, 4, 656. Pop., 4, 051. Houses, 803. John Marius Wilson, Imperial Gazetteer of England and Wales (1870-72) 
 * Jmb, Yes, the Bee Hive Inn is in Horwich, as does the Alexandra Road/Fall Birch Road area, however the Royal Mail deems that area, for postal purpose, as in Lostock. It seems the Royal Mail is a law to itself and when it suits changes one place’s identity to another one. Lostock has never been part of Westhoughton, it was a township. Lostock, together with the neighbouring township of Blackrod, originally formed a detached portion of the Parish of Bolton-le-Moors. In 1898 Lostock ceased to be an independant township and became part of the County Borough of Bolton. Cayden 17:29, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Could it be pressure from residents, preferring a Lostock address to a Horwich one? It does not make any difference to the Royal Mail as they rely on the postcode.  You get the same in Bolton with people preferring to be thought of as living in Heaton to Doffcocker or Halliwell.  --jmb 00:13, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Those residents don’t have a say one way or another on whether they have a Lostock address or a Horwich one. The Royal Mail decides which postal locality they have. In June 2006 the Royal Mail decided to change a part of Lostock to Heaton. See: http://archive.theboltonnews.co.uk/2006/6/10/908770.html. So the Royal Mail doesn’t just rely on the postcode, they now use the locality as well. Cayden 14:55, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Middlebrook - in Horwich or Lostock?
Middlebrook is split between Horwich and Lostock. The retail part of Middlebrook is in the Horwich side of the boundary. The remainder of Middlebrook (including Reebok Stadium) is in the Lostock side of the boundary. Postalwise the whole of Middlebrook comes under the Horwich postal-locality within the Bolton postal-town area. So it is quite exceptable to mention about Middlebook on this Horwich page, although it should be made clear that Middlebrook's location is split between Horwich and Lostock. Cayden 15:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Coat of arms
Does anybody know of an online source that shows the Horwich Town Council arms? --Jza84 | Talk  16:36, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * How about ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paypwip (talk • contribs) 16:40, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not bad, but not ideal really. I was thinking about showing them in the infobox, like Selby does, but it'd need to be a little more crisp than that version. Failing that, I guess we could put them into the governance section like, say, Rochdale. --Jza84 | Talk  17:27, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * There is another version here but with an express statement about not reusing the image. I'm not sure whether there's one on the town hall that I could photograph. Paypwip (talk) 17:49, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * If I get a chance, I might redraw it so we can use them. I've done it before! --Jza84 | Talk  17:58, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Question
This is probably a "dumb" question, were the Pilkington's mentioned here Glass makers? I thought they were from St Helens, there's no mention of making glass in Horwich or anywhere nearby. Should it be removed? --J3Mrs (talk) 15:55, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I have added a tag. This needs a reliable verifiable reference as I feel sure the Glass people are from St Helens.--J3Mrs (talk) 18:19, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The Rivington and St Helens Pilkingtons of Lancashire were/are probably distant relations. They use the same cross in their coat of arms. The Rivington Pilkingtons were well associated with Horwich, but the St Helens Pilkingtons haven't had anything to do with the town. – HLE (talk) 21:36, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Stations
Is this correct? I don't think it is. "The original Horwich railway station closed to passenger traffic on 27 September 1965; and reopened as Horwich Parkway 34 years later in 1999." I think it should say, "The original Horwich railway station closed to passenger traffic on 27 September 1965. A new station opened as Horwich Parkway 34 years later in 1999."--J3Mrs (talk) 21:23, 14 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Two different stations. Horwich railway station was in the very town centre but closed in 1966. Horwich Parkway railway station is just outside of the town's boundaries near Reebok stadium. – HLE (talk) 21:40, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

ODNB
Athough the reference to ODNB (Oxford Dictionary of National Biography) is a subscription site, members of many libraries (UK) can access it, and other online resources, by joining their local library and getting a pin number. :-)--J3Mrs (talk) 09:13, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Notable people
What does anybody think about moving these "notables" into the Bolton list and doing away with the section?--J3Mrs (talk) 20:01, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Do away with it. None of them really associated with Horwich. Vernon Kay grew up in Lostock although educated at St Joseph's High School, Horwich, Bernard Wrigley was born in Bolton and educated at Thornleigh Salesian College but there is no proof he has anything to do with Horwich, Paul Mariner was born in Farnworth and as far as I know lives/lived in Adlington or Chorley but again no proof he has anything to do with Horwich. They are all in the List of people from Bolton anyway. – HLE (talk) 23:41, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Lostock
I have edited the section about British Aerospace, now a small site under a different name. The factory closed years ago. Moved some details of the operation to Industry (history) although it was a major local employer for Horwich I am not sure if this belongs here, it was a Lostock based firm and what remains is now under a Bolton BL6 address (see citation). --PL.-Snr (talk) 00:05, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Clarified, linked, rewritten to avoid repetition. By the way you have not provided a citation, you never do, just a basic bare url, which is poor form really as long time contributors should really adopt the citation style of the article. Perhaps you could change it.--J3Mrs (talk) 10:54, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


 * It was a specific target link to the firms page with the address, Far more than a basic url, you exaggerate, rather than repeat my statement to you on the Rivington talk page, wikipedia is collaborative, “It is easy to see the faults of others, but difficult to see one’s own faults...” Udanavarga 27.1, Need I remind you of WP:NOT

--PL.-Snr (talk) 23:33, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The problem is this is a raw url. It's standard practise to include information such as title, publisher, author (where known), date/year of publication (where known), and the date the website was accessed in case it changes in the future; obviously references to books use slightly different information (eg: no need for an access date). This information really should be included every time. If you're unsure how this article includes some examples. Nev1 (talk) 23:39, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Lancashire
Hello editor under IP, wikipedia is collaborative, for everyone to edit to improve articles. I understand the feelings of Horwich people in regard to the town being part of Lancashire and how resistant Horwich people are to it being part of Greater Manchester and especially Bolton. I do not agree that your edit was vandalism but it was in the wrong part of the article and did not seem in keeping with the rest of the article. I am not the editor who undid your revision.

The article lead does state that Horwich is part of Lancashire and I see that as enough. I do know Horwich people dislike being part of Bolton and Greater Manchester. I recall the outcry when it was suggested Horwich be dropped off postal addresses and have only Bolton on the address instead. Maybe it would settle the matter and find consensus if somewhere in the article it mentioned that all Horwich postal addresses are 'Lancashire'. I am not sure how it would be worked in, although another editor, perhaps you, may see a way of doing so.--PL.-Snr (talk) 04:04, 9 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The IP has vandalised several articles with the same stuff. I don't thing encouraging this is the way forward Rovington. It is neither helpful to the IP who is doing it again or wikipedia.--J3Mrs (talk) 15:39, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It appears your encouragement might even have got a block for the IP. Very collaborrative eh?--J3Mrs (talk) 16:35, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Coordinate error
The following coordinate fixes are needed for Horwich. Currently the marker is off on the edge of town. Shouldn't it be in the center: 53°35'52.40"N 2°33'14.80"W ? —76.105.145.143 (talk) 23:45, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅. Deor (talk) 03:28, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

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