Talk:Hoshana Rabbah

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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Hebrew (actually Aramaic) not appearing correctly
The words "הוֹשַׁעְנָא רַבָּא" are appearing in my browser in reverse order, probably because there is a line break in between. I don't know how to fix this.

Janon2 (talk) 19:30, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

What does “chabit, chabit velo Barich” mean?
I noticed the article mentions about the age-old arabic phrase that is recited.. but what exactly does this mean, or translate to? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mosheb (talk • contribs) 18:04, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Remove image
I propose to remove the image "Beating of the willows at the Ziegler School of Rabbinic Studies", because it is unclear. Just some willow branches will do imho. Debresser (talk) 20:28, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * A picture of willow branches is needed in the article, but for readers who don't know how they beat them, the Ziegler picture is a pretty good example. Yoninah (talk) 23:22, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Why the article is flagged
I'm an ex-orthodox Jewish person who actually got to this article because I like sociology of religion, and was investigating german/swiss Anabaptist groups for fun (such as the Moravian Church). Thanks to my background, I actually do understand what is going on in this article - however, if I were coming from an American Moravian Church, I would have no idea what this article is talking about, because it is so specific in its sense of customary behavior. Furthermore, if I were coming from a Moravian Church, it is way more likely that I would have witnessed a Reform or Conservative congregation doing Hoshannot (or even a non-aligned congregation who is affiliated with Jewish Renewal congregation. None of this article covers non-orthodox POV of customary behavior in non-Orthodox congreagtions, so I would bet I would be ever more confused after reading this article and then showing up to a reform congregation Hoshannot, because wikipedia didn't tell me what would happen AT ALL.

Finally, this article is written in this really odd way which makes it sound like a Teimani congregation speaks Yiddish, instead of Judeo-Arabic. Customs should be broken apart by relative geographic origination (Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Eidot Mizrach) and then by country/other (Syrian, Turkey, Spanish-Portuguese, Hasidic, Mitnagi, Yekkish, whathaveyou) and properly sourced! alongside contemporary movement/nonmovement details (orthodox, ultra-orthodox, conservative, reform, reconstructionist, humanist, Jewish renewal, so that if our theoretical Moravian friend mysterious shows up in a Jewish Renewal and Reform aligned but technically not affiliated Spanish Portuguese Synagogue in Savannah for Hoshannah Rabbah (less theoretically weird than it sounds, the only continually "orthodox" Spanish Portuguese shul in the US is Shearith Israel, and that is because they are the founding member of the OU, the others are non-aligned but psuedo reform), s/he will understand what's happening.

Aka, feel very bad for our "fake" Moravian Wikipedia reader, and assume someone like him/her is the vast majority of readers, not the minority of jewish people who appear to have contributed something to this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.86.247.175 (talk) 18:42, 20 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a how-to guide. Debresser (talk) 20:04, 20 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Pithy, but doesn't resolve the reality that this article is much more likely than not to be read by someone who has no idea what hoshannah rabbah is, because of beyond little knowledge of Jewish people and Judaism, and who could potentially walk away thinking that Yemenites Jewish people speak Yiddish while actually having little information about how contemporary Jewish people s/he actually knows celebrates/or doesn't celebrate Hoshannah Rabbah.  In That sense, the article both fails as a summar of customs and a summary of what the holiday is, how it came about, and why it is celebrated (or not) Shanac (talk) 04:06, 22 August 2016 (UTC)


 * See next talk section, . Please me to discuss. --Thnidu (talk) 17:44, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

One source is strictly Orthodox
The source for two references is Halachipedia. Halacha is the collective body of Jewish law. As the rest of the site's name suggests, it uses Wikipedia code. That may or may not make it unreliable, since it appears to be more closely supervised and checked than Wikipedia. But its content is strictly limited to Orthodox Judaism:

In general, the site is meant to cater to Orthodox Jews of all types and minhagim [customs]. Therefore, irrelevant of my background, I'm happy to include as many Orthodox opinions as possible. However, as the site is growing and isn't finished it's very possible that a particular opinion on a particular subject was missed.

Please me to discuss. --Thnidu (talk) 17:46, 20 October 2019 (UTC)


 * One can always add additional sources as needed. Debresser (talk) 19:08, 21 October 2019 (UTC)