Talk:Hosokawa Tatsutaka

Inaccuracies
The chronology does not make sense. First it says that Tatsutaka died in 1579, and then states he became head of the Uto Domain in 1646. The Papinot sources says he was born in 1587. But the Japanese wikipedia article jp:細川立孝 says he was born in 1615 (see also this). Papinot is too old and does not seem like a reliable source. Note also that the same sources say Tatsutaka died in 1645, the year before Uto Domain was created. He was thus not the first lord of that domain, his son was. See this. Michitaro (talk) 03:06, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Agreed. I have made corrections in accordance with the J-Wiki articles on Tatsutaka and Yukitaka. It seems the only thing notable about Tatsutaka was his service at Shimabara, which warranted a fief. Though he didn't live to inherit it, it seems his son was taken care of. I can't speak for the sources that are listed, so the article still lacks reliable sources. Boneyard90 (talk) 13:03, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The important mistake I made is strange, but not impossible to explain. The 1579 death date was a helpful clue. It causes me to recall that I used the stub article about Isshiki Yoshimichi as a format boilerplate; but -- regrettably-- I overlooked changing the Yoshimichi death date in the first line. Please excuse any inconvenience my cut-and-paste caused.


 * @ Michitaro -- The work of Edmond Papinot is a reliable source. The article about Papinot helps to establish this.  Just to clarify, may I point out a small mis-translation in your diff at the top of this thread. You write "Papinot ... says he was born in 1587"; but see
 * Tatsutaka. Baptisé en 1587 sous le nom de Jean, reçut à la mort de son père (1646) le ﬁef d’Udo (Higo – 30.000 koku), où ses descendants demeurèrent jusqu’à la Restauration. -- Aujourd’hui Vicomte.
 * English: Baptised in 1587 with the name of Jean, at the death of his father (1646), received the fief of Udo (Higo -- 30,000 koku), where his descendants lived until the Restoration -- Today Viscount
 * Papinot gives the date of Tatsutaka's baptism, not his birth. Only I am responsible for the confusion about dates. --Ansei (talk) 15:15, 30 May 2013 (UTC)