Talk:Hossein Ali Mirza

about some of problems
in few of this cases, source just doesn't explain, like in "The court of Ali Mirza, in comparison with other princes, was very magnificent and influenced by customs of ancient Iran, and was equal to the royal court of Fath-Ali Shah and Ottoman sultans." source just didn't get any further in details same as "The public's perception of Ali Mirza was that was a cruel and ruthless ruler, and he was not supported by the court"Amir Ghandi (talk) 18:13, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, I have some follow-up questions below, based on the clarification needed tags I added:
 * in what way were the courts "equal"? Were they equal in the artistic expression, money spent on the decor, or on the political influence in the region? If this is not explained, it might need to be removed.
 * "and he was not supported by the court" Which court? The court of Fars? Also, if he is not supported by the court, I assume that means he was not supported by the political elites of the city.
 * Let me know if you need me to explain any other clarification needed tags. I know I added a lot of tags, and that's because I didn't want to make assumptions that were not supported by the sources. I conducted this copyedit so that I could assess it for its DYK nomination. For future nominations, I suggest using the services of the Guild of Copyeditors. I use them to edit my articles and they are fantastic at fixing up grammar and prose, as well as highlighting parts of the article that are unclear. They would do a much better job than I could ever hope to do. I'll leave more comments in the article's DYK nom shortly. Z1720 (talk) 18:28, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * i'm very glad that you are helping me with copyedit edit problems let me quote for you from the sources:
 * 1 "court of Hossein Ali Mirza was one of most magnificent of its own in Fath-Ali Shah's Iran. sources recorded that yearly budget of just Festivals, Harem and Food was bigger that Shah's court. poets and musicians from around of iran and even neighbour countrie's, would came to Hossein Ali Mirza to with just being present in one of his massive festivals gets the Fame. thus by Qajar historians, he was not just compared to his father but Ottoman courts that were widely known" Aghazadeh page 6
 * 2 "Prince-Governor wasn't able to manage the war with his nephew, he was hated among tribal leaders, people and even his owen court"
 * and about nearly war with oman and being unofficial independent, Davies literally says that their wives were on dispute and Shah had no power to order Hossein Ali MirzaAmir Ghandi (talk) 19:05, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Amir Ghandi (talk) 19:05, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi thanks for your response. I added prose to the article to clarify my concerns in the two sentences above, which allowed me to removed those tags. For the rest of the tags, I encourage you to add the information yourself as it would be faster than posting the quote here and having me put it in the article.
 * I am still concerned that the hook is not supported by the source. Can you specifically quote a passage from a source that says a dispute between the wives almost caused a war? In my opinion, the source is stating that the wife's instigation of war was possible; this is not the same as describing an event that actually happened. Furthermore, I wouldn't approve the hook anyways because the article doesn't give additional details of this event, so the reader would be left wondering why the wives were fighting. Can you get any additional info from the sources on this event? If not, is there another hook you would like to propose? Z1720 (talk) 19:25, 10 May 2021 (UTC)


 * "It was this rivalry that had a few years earlier caused the arrest by Muscat and subsequent murder of the Bushire governor Shaikh cAbd al-Rasfil. In 1831 the Princes, sons to Farmanfarma, themselves took up their mother's cause in the face of blood-vengeance demands from the Shaikh's sons. Furthermore, in order to ground their own authority at Bushire, they played on local factions there to the extent of severely undermining the foundations of the Shaikh-Governor's power." i think i must change it Amir Ghandi (talk) 19:44, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree, I don't think this text supports that they almost went to war, but there is some interesting information there. I suggest proposing some ALT hooks and I will assess them. Z1720 (talk) 22:28, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

copy edits
hey just wanted to inform you that the copy edits are done.Amir Ghandi (talk) 21:08, 15 August 2021 (UTC)