Talk:Hotel Europa

Title and disambiguation
Hotel Europa in Venice was a famous literary haunt on the Grand Canal in Venice from 1820 to the mid twentieth century, as documented in Ca' Giustinian (the current name of its building). The biographers of international guests like Wagner, George Eliot, etc. make a point of mentioning their stay at the Hotel Europa.

Contrariwise, the Hotel Europa (1897 - ~1935) in Maracaibo seems to have been well-known in Venezuela, but I see no evidence in the article that it was well known internationally.

As for there being other Hotel Europas, we have a whole disambiguation page on Europa Hotel -- hotels often use the two orders interchangeably (one in French and Spanish, the other in English), and other forms as well, such as Albergo Europa and Hotel d'Europa.

It seems very likely that a user will be looking for the Venetian Hotel Europa when they use the bare name "Hotel Europa", which is why I moved the Maracaibo Hotel Europa to Hotel Europa (Maracaibo) and redirected Hotel Europa to Europa Hotel. Bizarrely, even the disambiguation notice has been removed from this article.

As a matter of procedure, I am surprised that I wasn't notified that Kingsif listed this as an "uncontroversial technical request". --Macrakis (talk) 21:56, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I just reverted because Kingsif requested it, per BRD. I'd suggest you create a move request (see WP:RSPM). That will determine if there is a consensus for the new name. Vpab15 (talk) 22:03, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Regarding the procedure, it should have been added under "Requests to revert undiscussed moves" instead of "uncontroversial technical request". But that is not hugely important. Vpab15 (talk) 22:07, 19 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Frankly, I find it silly that the Hotel Europa in Maracaibo is considered the primary topic for "Hotel Europa", when there are (or have been) Hotel Europa's (often anglicized as Europa Hotel) in many cities: Buenos Aires, Madrid, Munich, Belfast, St. Moritz, Olympia (Greece), Oslo, Vienna, etc. etc. The Hotel Europa in Maracaibo is known for its connection to the Venezuelan cinema; the one in Venice for its connection to multiple cultural figures in Europe; but even so, I don't think it is the "primary topic", either.
 * Now, it happens that the Venice Hotel Europa's building is so well-known that it has its own article, Ca' Giustinian. The building of the Hotel Europa in Maracaibo was demolished. But I suppose it's easier to make the case for the disambiguation page if I create its own article (as I have done for, e.g., the Bauer Hotel (Venice). --Macrakis (talk) 17:12, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

the one in Venice is mentioned much more often