Talk:Hotel Polen fire/GA1

GA Review
The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.''

Reviewer: MathewTownsend (talk · contribs) 23:34, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

This looks good. I'll start it soon. MathewTownsend (talk) 23:34, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

GA review-see WP:WIAGA for criteria (and here for what they are not)


 * 1) Is it reasonably well written?
 * A. Prose: clear and concise, correct spelling and grammar:
 * *In 1891 the building became known as Hotel Polen when the adjacent building on the Rokin was bought, which was designed by the architect Pierre Cuypers, who also designed the Amsterdam Central Station and the Rijksmuseum - not clear what Cuypers designed. Was it the adjacent building or the Hotel Polen?
 * *There was no sign of fire yet. (but the night porter saw that the fire had already reached the desk) - is this inconsistent?
 * * On the front side on the Rokin - confused about what this means
 * B. Complies with MoS for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
 * 1) Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
 * A. Provides references to all sources:
 * B. Provides in-line citations from reliable sources where necessary:
 * AGF the Dutch sources
 * C. No original research:
 * 1) Is it broad in its coverage?
 * A. Main aspects are addressed:
 * *Hotel Polen was once known as a fashionable hotel - when? Any more info?
 * B. Remains focused:
 * 1) Does it follow the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) Is it stable?
 * No edit wars, etc:
 * 1) Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
 * A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
 * B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
 * Two non-free images. They do add to the coverage.
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * Just a few issues, listed above. Will put on hold for seven days. Nice little article. MathewTownsend (talk) 00:17, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It was a building with two sides, on two streets (the Kalverstraat and Rokin) which lie parallel to each other. This map image from the Zwaailichten site in the external links (which is a very knowledgeable site about disasters in the Netherlands, but sadly not run by a major mass media organization though it should qualify under the WP:ELPEREN criteria as giving additional information) clarifies the situation. There is a more detailed diagram in the Amsterdam Fire Department report on page 50 (source: ). BTW you can also see the geographical situation on this Google Maps link:, the Rokin Plaza which lies on Rokin no. 14 occupies the space where Hotel Polen used to be. SpeakFree (talk)(contribs) 00:42, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
 * Two non-free images. They do add to the coverage.
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * Just a few issues, listed above. Will put on hold for seven days. Nice little article. MathewTownsend (talk) 00:17, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It was a building with two sides, on two streets (the Kalverstraat and Rokin) which lie parallel to each other. This map image from the Zwaailichten site in the external links (which is a very knowledgeable site about disasters in the Netherlands, but sadly not run by a major mass media organization though it should qualify under the WP:ELPEREN criteria as giving additional information) clarifies the situation. There is a more detailed diagram in the Amsterdam Fire Department report on page 50 (source: ). BTW you can also see the geographical situation on this Google Maps link:, the Rokin Plaza which lies on Rokin no. 14 occupies the space where Hotel Polen used to be. SpeakFree (talk)(contribs) 00:42, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Just a few issues, listed above. Will put on hold for seven days. Nice little article. MathewTownsend (talk) 00:17, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It was a building with two sides, on two streets (the Kalverstraat and Rokin) which lie parallel to each other. This map image from the Zwaailichten site in the external links (which is a very knowledgeable site about disasters in the Netherlands, but sadly not run by a major mass media organization though it should qualify under the WP:ELPEREN criteria as giving additional information) clarifies the situation. There is a more detailed diagram in the Amsterdam Fire Department report on page 50 (source: ). BTW you can also see the geographical situation on this Google Maps link:, the Rokin Plaza which lies on Rokin no. 14 occupies the space where Hotel Polen used to be. SpeakFree (talk)(contribs) 00:42, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It was a building with two sides, on two streets (the Kalverstraat and Rokin) which lie parallel to each other. This map image from the Zwaailichten site in the external links (which is a very knowledgeable site about disasters in the Netherlands, but sadly not run by a major mass media organization though it should qualify under the WP:ELPEREN criteria as giving additional information) clarifies the situation. There is a more detailed diagram in the Amsterdam Fire Department report on page 50 (source: ). BTW you can also see the geographical situation on this Google Maps link:, the Rokin Plaza which lies on Rokin no. 14 occupies the space where Hotel Polen used to be. SpeakFree (talk)(contribs) 00:42, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Regarding your question "Hotel Polen was once known as a fashionable hotel - when? Any more info?" it was LITERALLY mentioned as this by the Los Angeles Times in this link which states "Fire raced through the fashionable Polen Hotel near the royal palace in downtown Amsterdam Monday, leaving at least six people dead and 30 others injured, police said." (sadly most of the article is behind a paywall and I don't have the opportunity to access that article). The LA Times information was outdated though in 1977 it was not so fashionable anymore and may have qualified as "run down" although I couldn't find sources mentioning that so I removed it. Also please note that the various news sources give varying casualty rates but this was because the articles were published soon after the fire (and there was no Twitter back then so updates about casualty numbers took a long time to gel out). SpeakFree (talk)(contribs) 00:57, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Cuypers designed the adjacent building on the Rokin which became the Hotel Polen together with the previously used building on the Kalverstraat. "There was no sign of fire yet" seem contentious on a second view and I can't find clarifying information so I will remove that. I think this edit will cover all of your questions, please notify me if you have any more. SpeakFree (talk)(contribs) 01:08, 24 December 2011 (UTC)


 * All nitpicks resolved. Article passes GA. Congratulations! MathewTownsend (talk) 02:15, 24 December 2011 (UTC)