Talk:House-elf

"Supporters of current Russian President, Vladimir Putin, have often accused the makers of the Harry Potter films to have deliberately modelled Dobby after the Russian president."


 * Isn't that a form of praise for Mr. Putin??
 * I've never noticed that, but now that it is mentioned I have to agree, he does look like Putin. Ha ha ha!

DB

 * In any case, it doesn't look much like the character as described in the book. ^_^'

I don´t think so Doidimais Brasil 20:27, Feb 13, 2005 (UTC).

Dobby in Australia section
I reverted away the section about "Dobby in Australia" but it has been put back in. Can anyone verify the information there, or is it something which should be eliminated? Sjakkalle (Check!)  07:26, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I definitely have never heard of this 'dobby' section, and the second paragraph particularly I believe is offensive and should be deleted. Daydream believer2 07:35, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I suspect it was simple vandalism, meant as a personal attack. If this is really a word used, let's have a source and perhaps it can somehow go into the article. If I see it go back in again as a personal attack, I'll certainly revert it on sight. If I see it go back without a personal attack, I imagine we should copy the text here and ask for verification. Friday (talk) 13:54, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Order of The Phoenix
Wait it says that Doby was in the Ordor of the Phoenix film. is there even an Order of the Phoenix film out yet

Now that the OotP film is out, and Dobby makes an appearence, the page should be editted to reflect it. --71.65.230.34 20:01, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Birthday
Dobby's birthday is on 28t June. The reference given (an article from MuggleNet) is from the 27 June, but that's only because MuggleNet is in the US: when JKR's website was updated to list Dobby's birthday, it was midnight on the 28 in the UK, but still the evening of the 27 in the US. PruneauT 11:08, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

dobby picture
what happened to that picture of dobby in HPATCOS? somebody please put it back up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.250.81 (talk • contribs)
 * It was deleted for not having source information. Throw 15:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

 * This should be incorprated into the article or deleted. See WP:TRIV John Reaves 05:37, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the entire trivia section sounds like a load of nonsense. Dobby has socialist leanings? Says who? I say that most of this section should be deleted unless it can be properly verified. Ldnew 02:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I removed the trivia section. Hope no-one minds. Serendipodous 19:18, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Trivia

 * Supporters of Russian President Vladimir Putin accused the makers of the Harry Potter films of modelling Dobby after Putin.
 * Some Harry Potter fans were against Warner Bros because Dobby was cut-off from each movie, after Chamber of Secrets.

Protection?
It appears the page is protected, but the standard Wiki box that announces the protection is missing.72.205.51.231 17:04, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Avada Kedavrhuh?!
"At the end of the film adaptation of The Chamber of Secrets, Dobby's intervention stopped Lucius Malfoy from completing the incantation of the famous killer curse which he was going to use on Harry in revenge for tricking him into releasing Dobby"...So Lucius Malfoy was going to attempt to kill Harry Potter right outside the Hogwarts Hospital Wing with Dumbledore 20 feet away? I dont remember that...--Problematik 01:30, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It was in the film, but I don't think it was in the book. I'm a little too lazy to walk over to my bookcase to check. But yeah, it should be deleted. Faithlessthewonderboy 00:59, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It sounds like he may have been going to attack/assault HP physically but definitely no evidence of Avada Kedavar:
 * Lucius Malfoy stood frozen, staring at the elf Then he lunged at Harry.
 * "You've lost me my servant, boy!"
 * But Dobby shouted, "You shall not harm Harry Potter!" There was a loud bang, and Mr. Malfoy was thrown backward.
 * Nil Einne (talk) 09:13, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Resembles Gollum
Dobby resembles Gollum in his speech manners and movements. But what in Harry Potter isn't derivative?

Major Spoilers
In the first sentence of this article there are major, major Deathly Hallows spoilers, and in the DH section. Can we get a spoiler tag here? RDMio 05:18, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect information in this article
It's Ron that says "we don't need any more Dobby's", not Harry.
 * Whats more, Dobbys was misspelt as "Dobbies". Fixed. Leemorrison 15:06, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Merge SPEW
I think that the article for the SPEW lacks of notability. Its larger section is a summary of what a house-elf is. I propose removing that section and merging the rest into this article. Lord Opeth 01:18, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The article is embarrassing to read, there barely anything to keep and transfer, but "Merge" it should be. Judgesurreal777 15:47, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Binding power
"House elves can also use their own brand of magic to 'bind' people to them, as Winky did to Barty Crouch Jr." I put this on the article. It is correct. Someone removed it. Can we agree this is correct? Leemorrison 18:43, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Removed by the same person: "They habitually refer to themselves in the third person and speak in a style reminiscent of young children." Equally correct. Leemorrison 18:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I think the binding would be a part of the house elf magic that allows them to break the rules wizards have to live by. Barty Crouch probably ordered Winky to guard his son, and that allowed her to do so via the binding act.  It's simply a part of house elf magic.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jclinard (talk • contribs) 23:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Individual pages discussion
Please participate in the discussion at Talk:Harry_Potter regarding having individual pages for characters rather than group pages. --billlund 21:19, July 17, 2005 (UTC)


 * That discussion has been archived at Talk:Harry Potter/archive 3. Brian Jason Drake 02:11, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

SPEW
I always liked SPEW. I would totally join if it were real. I don't think they were called the house elf liberation front originally, but there is a chapter by that name. I think the original name was ridiculously long because I remember Hermione couldn't fit it onto a pin. I will look it up sometime and change it if no one else does.
 * I believe you're right about the House Elf Liberation Front bit. Looks like someone added the long name, but left the mention of House Elf Liberation Front in. I'll look at the books tonight/tomorrow to check, and then fix it if necessary. --Mairi 05:12, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Erm, wasn't the House Elf Liberation Front a joke by Ron? I've just checked the book, and here's a direct quote of the only mention of the House-Elf liberation Front in that chapter of the same name- "Changed the name, have you?" said Ron, frowning at her. "What are we now then, the House-Elf Liberation Front?...". I believe the chapter was called this to outline how unsuccessful Hermione was at trying to encourage them to live individual lives. And the long name for the organisation was "Stop the Outrageous Abuse of Our Fellow Magical Creatures and Campaign for a change in Their Legal Status." Leemorrison 16:20, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Note to anyone intending on splitting off a section
This page has been processed by N-Bot, which, for browsing convenience, changes links to redirects to lists to links to the relevant list sections: e.g. Winky is changed to Winky.

As a result, anyone who intends to split a section out of this page should be aware that, as of 4 September 2005, the following sections were linked to from the following pages:


 * Winky: Hogwarts, Death Eater, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, Barty Crouch, Barty Crouch Jr., Dobby, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (film), List of characters in the Harry Potter books, List of fictional people who are alcoholics, Canonical spells in the world of Harry Potter, Magical beasts (Harry Potter), Blood purity (Harry Potter), Minor Ministry officials in the Harry Potter books, SPEW

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Can some one commment on their magic who's more informed? I remember someone saying they have their own "powerful brand of magic" or something?

"Mod-cons"?
What in the world are mod-cons? I'm only asking because unless it really fits in the article it shouldn't be there... Emily ( Funtrivia Freak ) 20:37, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

"Mod-cons" is a British English slang expression meaning modern conveniences, for example, "the kitchen comes with all mod-cons..." would mean a kitchen with a washing machine, fridge, freezer, dishwasher, etc. Obviously the expression changes and adapts to what is current, so something that was a "mod-con" in the 1950s might now be considered a necessary. In reference to the article though it makes the point that a "house-elf" is considered somewhat of a luxury that the Weasley's can't afford, the latest must have accessorie! (Of course bearing in mind that House Elves are slaves and don't demand any pay, why the Weasley's can't have one is a bit of a mystery!!)

They would most likely be sold in some sense.--Thank You Wiki (talk) 00:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Own purpose of Dobby?
removed: Dobby, however, often uses this magic for his own purposes, such as closing Platform 9¾ to try to protect Harry Potter.

I disagree. Dobby in MP2 is constantly tormenting Harry. I think Dobby was given an order (by Draco?) to harm Harry. So he does nasty tricks, but tries to soothe and excuse himself to Harry that he is preventing even worse things.

If Dobby wished to help Harry, he had plenty of more sensible ways - tell Dumbledore, for example.


 * Tell Dumbledore?! He couldn't even tell Harry anything! He belonged to the Malfoys and only did a few things to try to help Harry, before punishing himself. Brian Jason Drake 01:57, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Setting a house-elf free
"'Why d'you wear that thing, Dobby?' he asked curiously.

'This, sir?' said Dobby, plucking at the pillowcase. ''Tis a mark of the house-elf's enslavement, sir. Dobby can only be freed if his masters present him with clothes, sir. ...'" (CoS, UK, 133)

But the article gives the impression that giving clothes is only one way of setting a house-elf free, and Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets says that it is the "traditional" way. Brian Jason Drake 02:19, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

"dobby can ONLY (ONLY ONLY ONLY) be freed if his masters present him with clothes..."

Didn't they look different in the books than the film?
I don't remember exactly how the books described them, but the thing I saw in the movie was different enough from my mental image that it can't have been right. Didn't the books say they had tiny little beady black eyes, rather than big humanlike ones? Anyway that's probably why Dobby didn't reappear in the subsequent films.. he was so JarJar-esque.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 01:14, 1 April 2007 (UTC).
 * Nope, the books often described Dobby's eyes as orb-like, so the film representation was accurate. Leemorrison 16:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

To be more specific, the description is tennis ball like.--Thank You Wiki (talk) 00:33, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Hokey
An IP editor has been removing Hokey from this article, claiming that she is not notable enough to warrant inclusion. Obviously, I disagree. Any third opinions? faithless  (speak)  16:15, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I think she ought to be here, but she's not very big to have her own place like that. Have we seen enough House-elvs to warrent an "other House-elvs seen in the series" section? Keyblade Mage 21:15, 19 September 2007 (UTC)Keyblade Mage


 * Unless I'm mistaken, these are the only four house-elves in the series (not counting all the unnamed ones that work in the Hogwarts kitchens), though only Dobby and Kreacher really play any important part. But five sentences describing Hokey's role in the series is hardly excessive. faithless   (speak)  22:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Merge?
I saw on the noteability page, that it was agreed to merge House-Elves into "Beasts in Harry Potter". Please, where was it agreed to do so, because I missed it? And I see a pretty big problem with such a merge, namely that a House-Elf is not a beast (neither are the Goblin's or the centaurs, who already are in that article). Fantastic Beasts and where to find them differed between Beasts and Beings, therefore simply merging House-Elves, Goblins and centaurs into "Beasts in Harry Potter" is simply factually wrong. If you really think it absolutely necessary to merge that article, than at the very least we need to differe between Beasts and Beings on the "Beasts" article. Neville Longbottom 23:03, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

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House-Elfs in OOTP film
I didn't see Dobby anywhere in the OOTP film, where was he? The elf in Sirius's house was Kreacher, and it seems to me unnecessary, and inaccurate, to call him an anonymous elf that was simply identified after the fact as Kreacher. Sirius, in fact, addresses him as Kreacher in the film. (Kenobifan (talk) 23:53, 22 December 2007 (UTC))
 * I think you've misread what the article says. The producers wished to cut him from the script before filming began, as he didn't play a large role in the film. In the original version of the script, he was a very minor character, probably just hanging around in the background, and therefore was not named (even though, obviously, it was Kreacher). When JKR told them that he was important, that's when they decided to flesh out the character a little, including having him addressed by name. Hope this helps. faithless   (speak)  00:12, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Considering that only Kreacher, and not Dobby, was restored, I have to wonder if that means that Kreacher will be taking over his role in the next two films. (Kenobifan (talk) 06:20, 26 December 2007 (UTC))

Merge proposal
After the general clean-up that has taken place in several groupal pages, it seems rather incredible that, while we have some articles like the Weasley family that lists over 15 characters, or the Hogwarts staff that lists almost 20 characters, we still have this really small page that features only 4 characters, 2 of which are really minor (Winky and Hokey). The house-elves are not a main subject in the Harry Potter stories as are the Death Eaters, the Order of the Phoenix, or the Hogwarts staff, and the article in general terms has not meet the guideline of Notability that we have applied previously on some other matters concerning Harry Potter that have been already merged, for example characters like McGonagall, all the Weasleys, Umbridge, Lupin, Bellatrix, or the Hogwarts houses, the subjects, the Deathly Hallows, and even notable creatures like ghosts or dementors. That's why I come with this proposal to merge this article into the Magical creatures (Harry Potter) one. Information regarding Characteristics and Ownership would be included in the main House-elves section in the Magical creatures article, and Dobby, Kreacher, Winky and Hokey would be included in the Characters section that already includes Griphook, Fawkes, Peeves, Hedwig, etc. The House-elves at Hogwarts section maybe moved to the article about Hogwarts. The S.P.E.W. is needless, it is basically a re-tell of information. Other minor organizations in Harry Potter like the Marauders, the Inquisitorial Squad or the Slug Club have already disappeared (so we can redirect it to Hermione's article or to the House-elf section).

I have made a Draft of the Magical creatures article to give you an idea of how this would look like. -- LøЯd  ۞pεth  03:14, 8 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Support merge. Makes sense to me.  Exploding Boy (talk) 03:18, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Support - Lord Opeth knows better than most anyone which of these articles can be sources sufficiently to justify a whole article, and this one has shown not nearly enough to date, so I support a merge. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 04:51, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Well it's been more than a week and there is no opposition against this merge proposal, so the House-elves are now merged into the Magical creatures article. -- LøЯd  ۞pεth  22:17, 16 September 2008 (UTC)